It will never come to Canada, even the 2 companies here that do iptv still have to charge for the basic channels that the cable companies offer for the province you are in. Which removes any pretense of competition and defeats the whole purpose what iptv should be
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Is Netflix's TV model really the future of television?
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It will never come to Canada, even the 2 companies here that do iptv still have to charge for the basic channels that the cable companies offer for the province you are in. Which removes any pretense of competition and defeats the whole purpose what iptv should be
systematic
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Netflix CCO Ted Sarandos' response to the idea that releasing a whole season at once leads to less discussion:
Not too sure that those are fair comparisons though considering the amount of marketing Netflix did versus those FX shows.
http://playbackonline.ca/2014/01/23/five-things-to-take-away-from-netflixs-earnings-report/
Not too sure that those are fair comparisons though considering the amount of marketing Netflix did versus those FX shows.
Did they really market Orange is the New Black that much though outside of the usual highlights on Netflix itself? I thought it was more of a breakaway hit. My Facebook exploded with "you need to watch this show" posts for weeks/months.
I did! I got involved with all the Lost ARG games. I must have spent hours with the Rachel Blake game, and I totally remember the radio show with DJ Dan, it was lots of fun.
And they weren't spoiling the whole show with every post? Apparently that's what happens when you release a show all at once, y'know.
NullPointer
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Its my TV future, as often as I can manage it.
And it comes with its own sense of mystery. How much House of Cards will I watch this weekend? Nobody knows!
And it comes with its own sense of mystery. How much House of Cards will I watch this weekend? Nobody knows!
My friends are actually respectful. I still haven't been spoiled on the season finale of Breaking Bad yet. Come on second half!
There's positives and negatives to both sides. It all depends on the show. For comedies, they're easy to binge watch and are easy to avoid spoilers for. It's also great to binge watch a show like Agents of Shield and quickly skip through all the filler episodes.
But for shows like Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad or Lost.. I'd much prefer the weekly format. One thing you can't get from Netflix is event television. Something I loved is the discussion and reaction we get after episodes like The Rains of Castamere (GOT) or Ozymandias (Breaking Bad).
Also.. Some people seem to be confused with the main topic. I don't think anyone wants the traditional format of TV (Watching shows on a fixed schedule with commercials). They just want the current Netflix format, but with episodes airing weekly/daily.
But for shows like Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad or Lost.. I'd much prefer the weekly format. One thing you can't get from Netflix is event television. Something I loved is the discussion and reaction we get after episodes like The Rains of Castamere (GOT) or Ozymandias (Breaking Bad).
Also.. Some people seem to be confused with the main topic. I don't think anyone wants the traditional format of TV (Watching shows on a fixed schedule with commercials). They just want the current Netflix format, but with episodes airing weekly/daily.
I don't think it will be anytime soon. Personally, I can't go back to the traditional TV model after Netflix. Not only because I hate waiting week after week for new episodes, and I have to wait out stupid mid-season breaks, but also the artificial cliffhangers. Not having to wait makes it easier to stomach bad episodes/seasons.
I don't care about the community aspect of shows.
I don't care about the community aspect of shows.
Wowfunhappy
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I don't watch that much TV in general, but my sister and I watched season 3 of Sherlock together as the episodes aired, and I loved the excitement leading up to each individual episode.
You just don't get that when the whole season is released at once. There's excitement leading up to the release of the season, but once that happens
Plus, I don't like to binge-watch anyway. So with House of Cards, all Netlfix is doing is making me more likely to get spoiler'd.
You just don't get that when the whole season is released at once. There's excitement leading up to the release of the season, but once that happens
Plus, I don't like to binge-watch anyway. So with House of Cards, all Netlfix is doing is making me more likely to get spoiler'd.
AllIsOneIsNone
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It's definitely going to be a mix between regular tv and netflix. More like on demand is now but with a much better interface and a lot of live channels mixed in. Whole seasons won't be added at one time (unless it's coming from another source like it is now on netflix), it'll be usually episode by episode.
There will also be more advertising, which is part of the reason they wont just throw a whole season at you at once. They'll want to know exactly when most people are going to watch what shows, even if you feel like you have a choice.
There will also be more advertising, which is part of the reason they wont just throw a whole season at you at once. They'll want to know exactly when most people are going to watch what shows, even if you feel like you have a choice.
brianjones
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i really think its a disservice to the shows tbh
Shows are being designed that way anyways whatever the hell this means?
It's only a disservice to those who feel everything should be consumed one way
their way
SwiftDeath
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i personally think live tv/scheduled programming is dying as it is. Considering how convenient oriented modern day society acts I cannot fathom scheduled programming lasting more than 10 or 15 years if that
I do think though that there's going to be a transitional period where content owners really screw things up for everybody before we settle into a good model
I do think though that there's going to be a transitional period where content owners really screw things up for everybody before we settle into a good model
I like Netflix's model a lot. I like knowing that there's 13 episodes of House of Cards ready for me whenever I want to watch it. I think the discussion point that the fans of weekly TV make is a good one. I would have less of a problem with the weekly model if seasons were aired all the way through with no breaks. Instead that rarely happens, whether it's because the season of the show is 22 episodes long and has a winter break or something like True Detective that HBO didn't want to air against the Super Bowl. The 2+ week breaks in between new episodes are a killer and need to be eliminated or minimized.
In time I truly believe it will be the norm. Even if I take wrestling out of it, as a fan, and just look at the technical aspects of it I really do believe they are doing something special. Give it time, both the user and the industry as a whole will come to realize just what they have done, and many will soon follow suit.
I like Netflix model. I also like when cable and TV networks air a show with no breaks. In either form, I can still talk about the shows with my friends, so there is no broken community for me. Even if a Netflix show is dumped all at once, it doesn't mean I have to sit and watch it all.
I think TV will continue the schedule but add more on-demand options. If anything I would just love them to air their shows from beginning to end without any stupid breaks.
I think TV will continue the schedule but add more on-demand options. If anything I would just love them to air their shows from beginning to end without any stupid breaks.
Tim the Wiz
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Can't say I feel the same. The best TV discussions I've participated in are for shows I encountered on box set (i.e. The Wire). Netflix is just accelerating the phenomena.
Wiktor
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Lol..no. Who does it? Netflix, Amazon..maybe Xbox brand will. On damand services are making a fraction of all tv shows and that's not going to change anytime soon.So if you're expecting netflix model to dominate, you will be terribly dissapointed. The only way it could happen is if all tv networks would get destroyed, but all this would mean is that there would be hardly anyone left to make the shows.
Wiktor
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You do realize the whole reason shows have breaks is to buy time to actually make those episodes? if 22 episode show would have to be released all in one pack, you wouldn' get it in september when the old method season premiere starts. Instead you would likely get it march.
That is if you would get it at all. It's very unlikely anyone would do 20+ eps seasons on Netflix mode. Way too risky.
Agreed. Will buy for the first time just for the final season of The Killing. Fantastic character actors.
IMHO better than True Detective.
13 episodes is fine by me. I guess because of my Netflix habits, I prefer a small/tight season rather (more often that not) a stretched out one.
Regardless on why they split the season up, it is something I dislike. It kills momentum for the show/season.
What a terrible idea.
Edit- Netflix model isnt new episodes every week. The whole point of Netflix is to watch the content however you want. They shouldnt try to be something they are not. Even worse, piss off their fan base just to chase "hype." Which I'm not entirely convinced they lack.
AzureSkies
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Lilyhammer tells me yes.
Trent Strong
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I don't know how the big networks that get their money from advertising could do this.
SlowRevolution
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it's not like they just made the decision randomly, they've probably got a shitload of data that says viewers like to binge watch. if someone's not into that and they want to watch one episode of house of cards a week, nothing's stopping them from doing that. netflix is letting the consumer watch shows however they want, I don't get how that's possibly a bad thing.
JonathanEx
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One thing I thought was interesting is that a "binge watch", of a new series or old, isn't usually all 13 in one sitting as often made out. It's from a study done as PR fluff, so some salt required - "A majority (73%) defined binge watching as watching between 2-6 episodes of the same TV show in one sitting". And most would watch two or three episodes in one sitting. Some interesting stats in it: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...nge-watching-is-the-new-normal-235713431.html
Kind of surprised at people discounting the importance of build up for shows. It's no coincidence that in casual conversation you hear people talk about what happened on this week's episode more than "oh I'm still on episode #." That's also what gets people to tune in, pay attention, get invested, creates excitement etc. Things that could be events are now just another in a series, and that's problematic. It's also no coincidence that some shows rely on things like tension and suspense which can lead to burnouts or those things being devalued when you do those long catch up sessions.
There's place for both, but I don't understand why people are arguing that the staggered approach somehow takes away flexibility altogether. Either way you've got to work around release dates, and it being on demand by nature of being on Netflix still means it isn't as constrained as it is on TV. In fact the staggered approach gives viewers more since they can always just binge later, the binge option isn't gone entirely when releases are staggered.
There's place for both, but I don't understand why people are arguing that the staggered approach somehow takes away flexibility altogether. Either way you've got to work around release dates, and it being on demand by nature of being on Netflix still means it isn't as constrained as it is on TV. In fact the staggered approach gives viewers more since they can always just binge later, the binge option isn't gone entirely when releases are staggered.
It's a catch 22, though, especially with a show as dense as LOST. As great as the community aspect is, all the theorizing, the fantasy booking, examining every single molecule of information pretty much always leads to inflated expectations, which pretty much always leads to disappointment. Of course reveals will feel flatter when each possibility has already been explored. Of course it's hard to please the everyone, or anyone, when viewers have a tendency to become married to their own scenarios. Ten different viewers might have ten different directions they feel a show should take, and will all shit on the show for veering down a path that's not 'theirs'.
Now LOST's ending was legit dog shit, but look at the Breaking Bad where the [amazing] finale was lambasted by far too many people for being "safe" or "predictable". Part of this is on the writers for opening up the theory floodgates, but it was strange to see so many people bummed because they'd figured every thing out in the off season. As if the show was supposed to jump the shark because people spoiled themselves.
sazabirules
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How is that different than the awful people who post TV spoilers on Facebook right after an episode airs? I've seen this happen with The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad.
aye. i just use shows as a topic to break the ice with people; never really discussing it in detail unlike vidya gaems.
Netflix can't sustain it either without a gigantic price increase
Marty Chinn
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It's different because with the Netflix model, if you don't watch it within half a day of release you can get the whole thing spoiled where as a staggered release you may get just one week spoiled but you can catch up.
PhoenixDark
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The TV model isn't going anywhere, however streaming services like Netflix will only get bigger, and thus continue to introduce shows that debut all episodes at the same time.
Personally I have no problem with the current TV model. I'm used to waiting for things, and I enjoy thinking about an episode, book, film, etc before the next arrives. I wound up watching the first season of House Of Cards over the course of a few weeks, whereas I know people who watched every episode in a day. That's just not how I consume media.
Personally I have no problem with the current TV model. I'm used to waiting for things, and I enjoy thinking about an episode, book, film, etc before the next arrives. I wound up watching the first season of House Of Cards over the course of a few weeks, whereas I know people who watched every episode in a day. That's just not how I consume media.
The Artful Dodger
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I always end up marathoning these shows, and I'm torn, on one hand it's a good way to like...just waste a day. But on the other hand, I like waiting a week for shows, like True Detective and Justified where I can really digest and think about what I saw, maybe rewatch it and just enjoy the show. I rarely go back to these netflix series and rewatch them.
Chittagong
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I quit regular, scheduled TV five years ago. Networks are dinosaurs and their business models are busted. I'm glad they will eventually get their ass handed to them by more innovative companies such as Netflix and Amazon.
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