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[Alex Stroud]

I see a lot of outrage in the world, both on the web and in real life, but it doesn't upset me that people search for things to be mad about. That's their prerogative. I get my amusement from reading and listening to what they have to say, and then I go about my business.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

The Right can take a joke quite well while he left gets rather offended when a joke is at them. Lorne Michaels knows from experience this is the case.

The right takes a joke well because most jokes are designed intentionally to be tragic/hurt other people, and this hurts a left-winger's sensibilities a bit more. But if we're talking about general things, I feel right-wingers are more angry at the world than left-wingers are. Or at least it feels that way during holiday season LOL

 

[Jonm1010]

The issue I have is with the quickly growing number of extremely liberal people who hoist their viewpoints upon the world while being unwilling or unable to even have a discussion. Calling this segment of people as part of "outrage culture" is not out of bounds in my book. Take the Tim Wolfe resignation as an example. I haven't read about any actions of his that I believe warranted such extreme forms of protest. So, I don't necessarily side with the protesters on this issue.

Now, there are several people I know who cannot shoulder even an ounce of doubt as to whether the call for his resignation was justified and will write off anyone wanting to even explore an opposing viewpoint as "ignorant" or "racist." So I simply can't engage with many people out of fear of being lumped in with the Sean Hannity crowd. It engenders a kind of sameness on the left that leaves people like myself having to call themselves "down the middle" to avoid association with people who simply want a social cause to fight for 24/7.

Yeah it is a trend that seems to have a growing acceptance. That sort of liberal mentality that is unwilling to engage in any sort of honest dialogue. It used to seem fairly fringe - relegated to the Jenny McCarthy, PETA fringe of the left - but it seems more and more it is becoming the mainstream identity of the left. Where confrontation and challenge is dealt with by shouting down the other person, shaming them, baiting them, bullying them, piling on and generally doing things I used to associate with mindless conservatives. Even the oblivious, hubristic, egotistical "I am never wrong, and anything we do is justified because we are ________ and anyone who disagrees is just proving how right I am and wrong they are" mentality is becoming almost cliche with younger liberals.

One thing I used to always feel the left had more often then not over the right was their adherence to critical thinking, challenging assumptions - even their own - a willingness to win arguments on the facts, engaging honestly and generally being the more grounded philosophy.. Which led to a respect of opinions and a large tent of competing liberal ideas. There was a real respect for the art and honor of the argument.

I get that the intellectual validity of most of mainstream conservatism in America is pretty much void but by stooping to these sort of tactics it delegitimizes the integrity of liberals and works counter to the goal of swaying those that liberals need to sway to truly initiate meaningful change.

 

[internetwolf]

feel the rage

mmmmm soy peppermint mocha

 

[Vincent Grayson]

Is it even possible to disagree with someone on such a subject without in some way thinking that what they're speaking out about isn't as much of a problem as they think it is? I mean, if you thought it was in any way a problem, you wouldn't be against the outrage.

I always feel like the easiest comparison is to the way people talk about broken/buggy games. You see it all the time too, where someone says "Holy shit, this game is so buggy. I had X, Y, and Z happen to me.", and inevitably, some jackass comes along and says "Well, it never happened to me", as though that's useful information, or a compelling argument that the problem doesn't actually exist.

When people say "This shitty thing is happening", it's the outright dismissal that's the problem. If you engage in an actual dialogue about the issue, and argue over say, why that thing is happening, or what might cause it to be a problem, then you're having a conversation that I think everyone should be okay with. But the outrage over "outrage culture" seems to always boil down to refusing to even engage to that point and simply dismissing the thing someone is initially "outraged" over by suggesting it doesn't even happen.

 

[pants]

Yes it is.

 

[excelsiorlef]

The Right can take a joke quite well while he left gets rather offended when a joke is at them. Lorne Michaels knows from experience this is the case.

Which is why fox news did a story about Captain America hating america and Donald Trump called for a boycott of Starbucks

They're so thick skinned.

 

[mugwhump]

I'd say so. There are lots of blogs dedicated to scouring the Internet for things to get mad about... and the Internet's got a lot of fuel to keep those fires burning.

OP only focuses on progressives, but conservatives absolutely do it just as much. It's not a partisan phenomenon, though the term "outrage culture" itself is targeted at progressives.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I'd say so. There are lots of blogs dedicated to scouring the Internet for things to get mad about... and the Internet's got a lot of fuel to keep those fires burning.

OP only focuses on progressives, but conservatives absolutely do it just as much. It's not a partisan phenomenon, though the term "outrage culture" itself is targeted at progressives.

And only the right has people in positions of political power takin part.

 

[Ekai]

Which is why fox news did a story about Captain America hating america and Donald Trump called for a boycott of Starbucks

They're so thick skinned.

To be fair, you could really just say: "Which is why Fox News/any right-wing outlet did *insert x here" and it would be just as applicable.

 

[excelsiorlef]

To be fair, you could really just say: "Which is why Fox News/any right-wing outlet did *insert x here" and it would be just as applicable.

I mean that's my fundamental point. People act like it's a left wing thing or that it's a both sides are equal thing ir that it's more dangerous when the left does it thing.

But only one side has the backing of presidential candidates and a larg cable news network.

 

[mugwhump]

And only the right has people in positions of political power takin part.

I dunno. Perhaps in America. The GOP certainly seems a lot better at coordinating with "their" media outlets to push talking points and rile up the base.

edit: yeah, what you just said :V

 

[Mechazawa]

People get mad about dumb shit all the time, but complaining about outrage culture or the "PC"s tends to be the domain of a particular kind of shithead.

 

[Exodust]

I think it does. I also lump in the people who always bitch about outrage culture into it, because those guys are pretty salty about everything too.

At the end of the day I find it easy to avoid.

 

[tkscz]

No, it's us not being used to the idea of the internet after 20+ (technically it's been around sense the 60's) fucking years. People now have to deal with opinions they didn't have to before or at least deal with a significantly larger amount of people believing it. The problem is some people don't know how to handle the idea of opinions that don't agree with theirs and instead of trying to understand them or get an idea of how much this person believes their opinion, they get mad. This subject is a lot deeper than what we're giving it. I've seen so much outage from all forms of beliefs because their ideals and someone else ideals don't match up 100%. I mean, two people would agree on something part way, and focus their ass off on that part they don't agree with and become outraged by it.

TL;DR - there is no outrage culture that wasn't already there. You just now have the ability to see it from a much larger number of people thanks to the internet.

 

[Coolio McAwesome]

OP only focuses on progressives, but conservatives absolutely do it just as much. It's not a partisan phenomenon, though the term "outrage culture" itself is targeted at progressives.

I see faux outrage from both the left and the right, but I think outrage is born from the same place.

Leftist outrage from so-called progressives often comes off as conservative to me. They pass themselves off as progressives, but they're often pushing for regressive ideologies. I grow tired of so-called progressives that want to police language and support concepts like censorship. In general, anyone who tries to silence differing viewpoints in the name of progress is a progressive in name only.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

it's definitely a thing, but i think sometimes folks use it as a way to deflect criticism and shout down people who are raising legitimate issues.

feel the rage

Here are two posts that answer you OP. Enjoy.

 

[kirby_fox]

The one I always thought was ridiculous was the "man spreading" thing that people tried to have happen. That was when I thought "People can literally complain about how someone is sitting because of the Internet."

Not to mention the other issues with that attempted movement.

 

[Boss Mog]

There's a lot of legitimate stuff to be offended by in today's world, but yeah sometimes I really think people can take it a bit too far. I mean almost anything can be offensive to someone these days.

Just the other day I was kind of shocked to find out that calling somebody a hard worker could be viewed as offensive to a third party.

I think if we wanna come out ahead, we need to pick our battles and try to focus on the most offensive stuff and maybe learn to let some of the smaller stuff go. You know being angry and outraged all the time isn't good for one's stress level and overall health.

 

[Messofanego]

The one I always thought was ridiculous was the "man spreading" thing that people tried to have happen. That was when I thought "People can literally complain about how someone is sitting because of the Internet."

Not to mention the other issues with that attempted movement.

You don't find someone being inconsiderate about leg space to be annoying? It's the same on a plane if someone took over the arm rests and getting into your zone.

 

[excelsiorlef]

There's a lot of legitimate stuff to be offended by in today's world, but yeah sometimes I really think people can take it a bit too far. I mean almost anything can be offensive to someone these days.

Just the other day I was kind of shocked to find out that calling somebody a hard worker could be viewed as offensive to a third party.

Lol there's a lot of context you left out in MHP's argument there.

And by a lot I mean all the context.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Just the other day I was kind of shocked to find out that calling somebody a hard worker could be viewed as offensive to a third party.

I was ready to be skeptical but she really went all in. Didn't even let the man finish talking

 

[excelsiorlef]

I was ready to be skeptical but she really went all in. Didn't even let the man finish talking

Except you know the context is the GOP calling him a hard worker which is in context of him wanting to be speaker only if he can also be a family man whilst simultaneously demonizing many low income families and single moms, who are also trying to balance work and family, for being on welfare.

I mean I gleaned that and this is a video edited to make her look the worst and calls her an SJW

 

[tkscz]

You don't find someone being inconsiderate about leg space to be annoying? It's the same on a plane if someone took over the arm rests and getting into your zone.

Except it's different. Tall people have to spread their legs out like that in order to sit comfortably. Seats in public transportation sit low, so they pretty much don't have a choice but to spread their legs. This actually counts for women as well when they aren't in the mood to cross their legs. People who were angry with man-spreading went far enough to even try to make it law to not being able to do it. At the same time, these people tend to defend taking up seats with bags. Man-spreading was some of the biggest bull I've seen from Tumblr.

Except you know the context is the GOP calling him a hard worker which is in context of him wanting to be speaker only if he can also be a family man whilst simultaneously demonizing many low income families and single moms, who are also trying to balance work and family, for being on welfare.

I mean I gleaned that and this is a video edited to make her look the worst and calls her an SJW

Did at any point in the full interview did the guy bring up low income families and single mothers not being hard workers?

 

[CadetMahoney]

outrage culture > video game preorder culture

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Except you know the context is the GOP calling him a hard worker which is in context of him wanting to be speaker only if he can also be a family man whilst simultaneously demonizing many low income families and single moms, who are also trying to balance work and family, for being on welfare.

I mean I gleaned that and this is a video edited to make her look the worst and calls her an SJW

It's not edited, it's just an excerpt. And yes, the uploader calls her an SJW and yes, she does have a point about people representing themselves as hard workers while demonizing low-income families, but that still doesn't exclude interrupting and shouting over the man.

I was surprised to see MHP act that way because she's usually very level.

 

[Opto]

Yes, there are cases, but the label is applied way too liberally for it to mean anything.

When a tumblr user was harassed and driven to a suicide attempt for drawing the "wrong" kind of fanart, that was from a wave of people who take social justice narratives and twist them into a weapon to inflict pain.

But then I see people label other people not liking, for example, SFV's jiggle physics as outrage culture, and these two cases are leagues apart.

 

[dead souls]

You don't find someone being inconsiderate about leg space to be annoying? It's the same on a plane if someone took over the arm rests and getting into your zone.

Agreed. Complaining about it is perfectly valid.

 

[Boss Mog]

Except you know the context is the GOP calling him a hard worker which is in context of him wanting to be speaker only if he can also be a family man whilst simultaneously demonizing many low income families and single moms, who are also trying to balance work and family, for being on welfare.

I mean I gleaned that and this is a video edited to make her look the worst and calls her an SJW

I agree about the part about the hard working lower/middle-class moms (and dads which she forgot to mention for some reason) often being labeled by republicans as people mooching off the government cause maybe they need some help with food stamps and such to get by, when it's not their choice and they do work really hard. That being said she could've let him finish before coming at him with that.

As for the slave part i was a bit shocked because i think it's safe to say that Alfonso meant hard worker in the context of his particular field of work. I don't think he ever meant to imply that Paul Ryan works physically as hard as slaves did. This seems like common sense to me, so i was kinda surprised by the way she interrupted him like that. It was funny to see the face Alfonso made when she cut him off with "Alfonso, i feel you" though.

 

[excelsiorlef]

It's not edited, it's just an excerpt. And yes, the uploader calls her an SJW and yes, she does have a point about people representing themselves as hard workers while demonizing low-income families, but that still doesn't exclude interrupting and shouting over the man.

I was surprised to see MHP act that way because she's usually very level.

She barely interrupted it was more before we m9ve let me just raise an issue then she talked, he tried to interject but she wasn't done, she finished, he talked.

The worst she did wa raise her voice a bit.

Anyway doesn’t matter that ain't "outrage culture" any way and it's still more nuanced than yiu can't call someone a hard worker anymore.

 

[tkscz]

Agreed. Complaining about it is perfectly valid.

Except people who "complained" about it tried to claim it was a way men claimed dominance and wanted to make it illegal to do it.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I agree about the part about the hard working lower/middle-class moms (and dads which she forgot to mention for some reason) often being labeled by republicans as people mooching off the government cause maybe they need some help with food stamps and such to get by, when it's not their choice and they do work really hard. That being said she could've let him finish before coming at him with that.

As for the slave part i was a bit shocked because i think it's safe to say that Alfonso meant hard worker in the context of his particular field of work. I don't think he ever meant to imply that Paul Ryan works physically as hard as slaves did. This seems like common sense to me, so i was kinda surprised by the way she interrupted him like that. It was funny to see the face Alfonso made when she cut him off with "Alfonso, i feel you" though.

She metioned moms because welfare queen has a sexist and racial component

And she brought it up then becausr he was about to move away from that subject. It was a good time. It wasn't an interruption as much as a sidebar.

Anyway last I'm gonna say because it's a most a tone issue and definitely not a putrage culture example. Thus really debating this is severly OT

 

[Foffy]

I think the outrage culture is a result of someone wanting to be miffed about something, because they have very little to be mad about as an actual threat to their lives. Human pride is built on overcoming obstacles, and in order to make an obstacle, you have to define it as a problem to overcome.

Some of these can be legitimately important things, but this is the internet, where we call companies lazy for day 1 patches, and people get called a bucket load of bad things for merely liking something.

I'm sure people may be outraged at the fact nothing in this cosmos is ultimately serious: it all comes out in the wash.

Spoiler

If you are outraged, feel free to PM me and I shall soothe your growls.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

There are people who get in a tizzy about the smallest things, but there always have been. At this exact moment I'd wager that there are more people speaking disdainfully about "outrage culture" than people contributing to it. It's just a code-phrase, like "race baiter" or "Tumblr feminist". It's a way to disguise one's bigotry by diminishing the value of people who call out other people for being shitty.

I don't get this new thing where everything is "______ Culture". What's up with all these Culture Clubs? Do you really want to hurt me?

This post made this thread all worthwhile, avatar buddy.

 

[Apt101]

I would not call it a culture, but it's one those widespread conversational themes that tend to take hold of Internet society and hence spills over into daily life. But it's not new: this has been the norm for conservatives for years and years. Now it has reached segments of liberal society, unfortunately people who are liberal but don't understand the goals of liberalism. So like Fox News of yore they're not looking to debate or challenge, they're just looking to shut up everyone who they disagree with, people who they follow on Twitter disagree with, etc.

Personally I think it will pass. Satirists like the writers of <virtually every satirist comic and television show> are already lampooning it, and the young people who are most guilty of it will grow up soon and face reality.

 

[spazchicken]

Woman Takes Short Half-Hour Break From Being Feminist To Enjoy TV Show

 

[Jezbollah]

feel the rage

This and David Cameron.

Never fails to get the Outrage Bus fired up.

 

[BlastProcessing]

The Right can take a joke quite well while he left gets rather offended when a joke is at them. Lorne Michaels knows from experience this is the case.

Listening to talk Radio for 5 minutes is enough for me to disagree with this. How many conservative pundits have built their entire careers on fomenting outrage? We could sit here and count them for a while.

Woman Takes Short Half-Hour Break From Being Feminist To Enjoy TV Show

 

[Forkball]

One of my favorite subreddits:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BestOfOutrageCulture/

 

[IpsoFacto]

It's more of a "selective moral outrage" culture, if you ask me.

 

[Shredderi]

Yes I do believe that it is a thing.

 

[Z..]

This is the first time in history when almost everyone can have a public voice at low to no costs.

Only 40% of the world's population has access to the internet, you realize that, right?

And this is exactly how outrage culture starts. The divide between Us and Them is so wide that we can't even quantify what we perceive to be problems on the same scale. So we keep making the real problems worse and focus on solving problems that are little more than inconveniences. This world is one where success is quantified in dollars and you can match a family of five's monthly income by working 1 day in a living wage job. As such, it is perhaps the saddest statement of all that we spend all our energy on pc crusades so we can hold our heads high, all the while pretending not to notice the stench coming from the open air latrines our lifestyle is directly responsible for. Pro-active procrastination at it's finest...

I have no faith whatsoever in humanity. While we exell in a vacuum, we are a dreadfully menacing and ruthless bunch, collectively.

 

[TatteredHat]

Yes, but humanity as a whole is fucked anyway so I don't really pay attention to it.

 

[Par Score]

"Outrage culture" is basically a dog-whistle for "marginalised people I don't like are speaking up for themselves".

It sits neatly alongside Political Correctness, SJWs, Feminazis, #AllLivesMatter and The War on Christmas.

 

[tkscz]

"Outrage culture" is basically a dog-whistle for "marginalised people I don't like are speaking up for themselves".

It sits neatly alongside Political Correctness, SJWs, Feminazis, #AllLivesMatter and The War on Christmas.

So you're telling me things like "man-spreading" is actually someone standing up for themselves? People get offended by minor things. It's not always someone standing up for themselves.

 

[Par Score]

So you're telling me things like "man-spreading" is actually someone standing up for themselves? People get offended by minor things. It's not always someone standing up for themselves.

No, the people complaining about manspreading are standing up for themselves (and then getting accused of being part of "outrage culture").

Also, what appears "minor" to you might not be minor to someone else, understand this and you're on the road to understanding why "outrage culture" is bullshit.

 

[tkscz]

No, the people complaining about manspreading are standing up for themselves (and then getting accused of being part of "outrage culture").

Also, what appears "minor" to you might not be minor to someone else, understand this and you're on the road to understanding why "outrage culture" is bullshit.

Oh no, I understand that 100%. The offensiveness of something objective, but when it's something that can hardly be helped, trying to make a law for it seems kind of stretching it. I understand being offended, but not everything needs a law against it, or people protesting it online. Somethings actually can be ignored if it bothers someone that much, but does no harm done.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

At least it's not some clip from this season's South Park.

I keep hearing things.

Is it really that bad?

 

[TatteredHat]

No, the people complaining about manspreading are standing up for themselves (and then getting accused of being part of "outrage culture").

Also, what appears "minor" to you might not be minor to someone else, understand this and you're on the road to understanding why "outrage culture" is bullshit.

Please, nobody is being marginalized by men sitting in empty buses with their legs slightly spread apart. I've seen the moveoverbro blog, it is a completely overblown non-issue perpetuated by people who have nothing to really complain about and lack the social skills to ask someone to move over if they want to sit down. (though again, most of the time the bus/train/tram bench they're sitting on is completely empty) It's one of the few instances that deserves to be labeled under "outrage culture".

If anyone is being marginalized in that scenario it's the innocent men whose crotches are being taken pictures of and posted on the internet by a bunch of creepy women.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

I keep hearing things.

Is it really that bad?

Some of it has been hilarious, especially the gentrification and Whole Foods stuff. But a lot of it is the typical "everyone who feels strongly about anything is wrong"-type South Park material, exaggerated for comedic effect.

Tweek x Craig was 100% gold though.