Right. I wouldn't argue any other way. Him along with everyone else. His receivers weren't open, he was clearly scared. It was a bad game all around.
I would just like to say the safety isn't his fault.
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Is Peyton Manning the best quarterback of all time? No.
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Right. I wouldn't argue any other way. Him along with everyone else. His receivers weren't open, he was clearly scared. It was a bad game all around.
I would just like to say the safety isn't his fault.
He doesn't though, i know you want to make up that he does but doesn't make it correct.
Dreams-Visions
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fatality.
Gaf_SentMe
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Eli > Brady
Thought I was going to recant? Nope. Eli > Brady
your're right. i don't think even eli could break that int record if he tried.
Eli > Brady
i'd take eli in a big game over brady and peypey.
if you throw all the stats and shit away, the dude just has that post season magic.
that 9ers nfcc is probably one of the most underrated post season performances ever, even if kyle brown fucked up. they pounded the shit out of eli that game, and he still gave no fucks and put his team in a position to win.
It probably wasn't his fault, but who knows? For all we know, he could have used a specific tone or phrase triggering the snap.
Also, his wideouts were open. He had a terrible game reading the defense.
I think Eli is an underrated quarterback but I think favre is better than either manning.
It's entirely possible but a bit improbable considering how many times this season he walked up to the line and made adjustments and that didn't happen.
You're right. No one will ever beat Favre's INT and bad decision making records.
Gaf_SentMe
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No fucks given on the road for 2 chips.
Did you read Peter King today? Manning did have open receivers. Also, their playcalling was atrocious. You can't beat the Seahawks with check downs and yet he threw those garbage passes all night. Is that not his fault?
Manning needs ideal conditions to win. If his offensive line isn't incredible and his receivers wide open, he stinks. That's just how his game is. Other QBs (Rodgers, Wilson, Kaep, etc), can play outside of their comfort zone.
Is it possible that he over-prepares? I've heard countless times that he's the first one to work and the last one to leave and he's possibly the hardest working QB in the game. But there's a such thing as too much prep where you end up being over-coached and less flexible to alterations in game plan.
Is that possibly his issue, or is he simply a choker?
Is that possibly his issue, or is he simply a choker?
Monochrome_F3ar
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I cant even escape my teams shit performance on GAF. Time to go outside.
They talked about it on ESPN radio today, how the Seahawks actually cut plays from their book to make things more simple and loose for the game, and how they figured Peyton would make things more complicated, more intense so that Denver would be too tight.
I don't know how much an impact it had, but it did certainly look that way.
They also had Rex Grossman.
can you link those pk articles, i'd like to read them. cause the hawks look like they shut them the fuck down.
and rex got them to a superbowl.
something philip rivers could never do.
I didn't read it. Have a link?
If that's the case then I sit corrected. And I'll probably give up hard hope on him ever winning another one. Too bad. I'll always want it, but who knows if he will do it.
I'm not sure if I'd rather have Peyton choking in the playoffs, or Favre throwing them away with horrible interception filled performances. I watched Favre kill way too many chances at a Super Bowl run by just being an idiot.
I barely ever agree with Skip. But he is right when it comes to Favre. Both Manning and Favre achieved equal amounts of success in the league only difference is Favre didn't need preseason and training camp to do so
Manning is a bookworm while Favre didn't give a shit. Both just about have identical numbers in passing yards, TDs, playoff record, rings. Let the Favre haters hate.The Manning gene pool is messed up. Eli somehow got all of the clutch playoff genes yet is pretty mediocre in the regular season, Peyton can light up regular season scoreboards yet is pretty un-clutch in the playoffs.
I gotta agree here. Manning is pretty much an extra coach on the field while Favre was, in comparison, completely lackadaisical when it came to preparing for a game. Yet Favre is still arguably a better quarterback than Manning. Personally I'd still take Favre over Peyton anyways.
Those same risky chances are also what ended up getting the Packers into more playoff hunts than they deserved.
I barely ever agree with Skip. But he is right when it comes to Favre. Both Manning and Favre achieved equal amounts of success in the league only difference is Favre didn't need preseason and training camp to do so
I gotta agree here. Manning is pretty much an extra coach on the field while Favre was, in comparison, completely lackadaisical when it came to preparing for a game. Yet Favre is still arguably a better quarterback than Manning. Personally I'd still take Favre over Peyton anyways.
Those same risky chances are also what ended up getting the Packers into more playoff hunts than they deserved.
I barely ever agree with Skip. But he is right when it comes to Favre. Both Manning and Favre achieved equal amounts of success in the league only difference is Favre didn't need preseason and training camp to do so
Manning has a much better QB rating, TD to INT ratio, and has better numbers per season. Peyton has something like 13 seasons with 4k+ passing yards while Favre only has 6. Favre had 19 years as a starter, Peyton has 15 and can easily break the career TD passing record next season. If Peyton plays two more decent seasons (and doesn't get hurt) he easily takes the yardage record as well, two full seasons before Favre limped off the field.
What Favre did was definitely impressive, but his stats are volume and endurance based. Not skill. Manning definitely surpasses Favre there.
Sure, but the two quarterbacks are closer together than anyone else when discussing postseason performance.
Stats like Manning having a ton of 4K passing seasons can also be indicative of Favre's teams having better running games than Manning's as well. Which is very true, Favre for most of his career had pretty solid running backs. Notables including Dorsey Levens, Ahman Green, Ryan Grant, Adrian Peterson.
Peyton had Edgerrin James, who led the league twice in rushing yards and a few other seasons with 1200+ yards, for almost a decade.
james was a bigger playoff choker than anyone on the colts sans vanderchoke though.
but i see that you guys are bickering regular season stats so go on.
Delicious Waffles
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Peyton isn't the best QB of all time. Top 5 or, at most, 10, definitely. What happened at the SB means nothing.
ElectricBlue187
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Farve is the greatest INT thrower to ever play the game. Other than that...not so much.
Seriously, I am not a Dolphins fan, but Marino was a boss back then. The game is so different now he would fucking murder teams today playing like in his prime.
HocusPocus
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Manning just fell victim to a great defense and all his cohorts were nervous. That was not the same team we all watched all year long. Hopefully next year the Broncos actually show up to the game, and I do think they will be back in 2014 against the 49ers in the Superbowl. The Broncos Defense if it can hold up is pretty damn good without injuries. The big hurdle for the Bronocos will be a healthy Patriots team. This was a fluke superbowl with all the follies, fumbles, etc. Just a bizarre game. Hats off the to Seahawks as they earned it, but my god the Broncos never even made them work.
johnny_park
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Greatest I've seen play in no particular order:
Montana
Elway
Peyton
Brady
Marino
Favre
Warner
S. Young
I'm probably missing some.
Montana
Elway
Peyton
Brady
Marino
Favre
Warner
S. Young
I'm probably missing some.
Liquidsnake
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Brady is not even top 10. As long as we are clear on that I am ok.
Sounds about right to me.
ratcliffja
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Rivers is a whiny punk who talks trash but can't back it up.
Liquidsnake
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Brady is Brad Johnson + two more Superbowls. Or Trent Dilfer, what ever you like.
Know what I am saying?
entremet
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No love for Aikman?
Oh don't talk to us about Edge. I saw all his choking glory as a Cards fan.
Romo is better than Aikman was.
johnny_park
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No. He was pretty average surrounded by a great team. That one year Mark Rypien had was better than anything Aikman did in a single season.
Alligatorjandro
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no we are not ok
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Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
148-45-0 4178 6586 63.44% 49149 359 134 95.7
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Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
18-8-0 590 950 62.11% 6424 43 22 87.5Yeah, he's a horrible QB...
Not being in the top 10 of all time doesn't make you a horrible QB. Patriots went 11-5 when Brady went down in game 1 of that injury season. He's a great quarterback for sure, but he's also part of quite possibly the most well oiled machine of a football franchise in the game. This is the team that takes bench wide receivers and converts them to successful defensive backs when their secondary is decimated with injuries. They're the team who takes late round draft picks and undrafted free agents and makes them into stars. They're the team who made Matt Cassell look like someone worthy of leading the Chiefs.
Tom Brady being drafted and starting for any other team in the league would have been drastically different results.
He's good for sure, but I can see why people would say that they're not sure about top 10 QB of all time, even with the 3 rings.
Full disclosure, I do think he is one of the best to play the game and I do put him in my top 10, but I can see why there is a compelling argument against that as well.
we agree on something!
So having a good team is now a knock on how good of a QB you are, wht?
I H8 Memes
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You have absolutely no idea what you are looking at when you watch a QB play football do you?
Brady, Peyton, Eli, Ben, Rivers, Romo, Brees and Rodgers are all better than Aikman.
And that's just guys playing now.
You can probably add Luck and Wussel too.
I bring up Edge when somebody was arguing that Favre's stats weren't as good as Manning because Favre had good RBs.
weekend_warrior
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Perfect list. Exactly how I'd order it.
5 regular season MVPs, a Superbowl championship/MVP, #2 in all-time passing yards, #2 in all-time passing TD, #2 in all-time passer rating, #2 in game winning drives, #1 in comebacks, single season record holder for TDs and yards.
Yeah, him being in the top 5 is such a joke! I'm done with this thread!
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