Nobody is pretending anything, my point was if you gave A. Smith what Brady has, he'd do NOTHING, where if you gave Brady what Smith had, he'd do a hell of a lot more. Charles was perfect for Smith anyways, he could just dump it off in space and let him rack up stats.
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Is Peyton Manning the best quarterback of all time? No.
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Nobody is pretending anything, my point was if you gave A. Smith what Brady has, he'd do NOTHING, where if you gave Brady what Smith had, he'd do a hell of a lot more. Charles was perfect for Smith anyways, he could just dump it off in space and let him rack up stats.
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Drops were a big problem for NE but KC was bad too.
Bowe is an undisciplined WR. He was targeted the same number of times as Keenan Allen. He was a hunger rookie who gave strong effort. So he had good numbers.
Bowe is a dumbass who tries to pull in 1 handed catches all the time. Doesn't have good footwork. And isn't fast to get open deep where you might need a strong arm.
He did show more focus and effort in the Colts game than pretty much any game. But still the lack of awareness to go grab the football and come down on his toes on the last play.
Alex Smith was in shit situations before, 2009-2011. Pass protection sucked and options to throw to were mediocre.
Ok your point? In those shit situations he did mediocre, and his "shit" situation included Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree a lot of the time. Tom had a truly lousy line this year hurt by injuries and disappointing play (particularly solder, but Mankins is on the downturn).
edit- more fun stats. Pats finished 2nd in drops both in total and drop percentage. Aaron dobson finished with 2nd most drops on the team in far less targets. 7 Drops with only just over 30 completions. He caught less than 50% of his targets due to poor route running, terrible hands, and bizarre mistakes.
Kenbrell Thompkins was even worse with 7 drops as well, less completions, only caught 44% of his targets and again the majority of these misses were on him, not running the right route, and other bizarre issues.
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Not as good as Doug Williams or Russell Wilson. Better than Vick and McNabb though.
Not sure where to place T-Jack now!
ViperVisor
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Vernon Davis is a 1 trick pony. A pretty nice pony but still never developed into a great pass catching TE who you can count on throughout a game.
And Crabtree was not good.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/95245/crabtree-harvin-and-2009-wr-draft-class
He was a holdout. He was never healthy for off-season practice or preseason. His 1st 3 years his drop rate was 6+%. He was forced into the WR1 role. He is not a good outside WR. He isn't fast. He didn't stop the high rate of drops and the best fit for him as a slot guy wasn't implemented until 2012. *I think only Calvin Johnson was more productive when he lined up there*
And how do you think Brady would of been dealing with the O-line breakdowns KC had this year highlighted by rookie Eric Fisher shitting the bed at times? Smith could escape it and run or get a pass off or throwaway.
Smith's pass protection was also shit in 2009-2011. We can all recall the heyday of Brady highlights. Hop Hop Hop up in the pocket and then makes the pass.
His protection was mediocre this year and he was a sitting duck.
40 sacks 256 yards
Highest sacks and yards lost of sacks since 2001.
41 sacks 216 yards
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xDUMPWEEDx
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To be the best, you have to beat the best. To say Peyton came up short of beating the best would be an understatement.
ShadowkillXNA
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So why dont the other qb's who played under Belichik have Brady's numbers and SB rings ?
ShadowkillXNA
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Like it or not, championships are what defines a pro athletes legacy.
weekend_warrior
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That's why everyone remembers Jim Plunkett and nobody remembers Dan Marino.
Kano on the Phone
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The entire reason people play the game is overrated? Ridiculous. Stats are the measuring stick of good quarterbacks, but rings are the measure of great quarterbacks.
Great quarterbacks like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
johnny_park
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How many QBs have led their team to 3 Superbowls and at least 1 championship?
He's not the greatest but he's pretty damn good.
He's not the greatest but he's pretty damn good.
DUFFMCWALIN
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Rings are a good measurement but not the only measurement. This thread has gone to shit I see.
Kano on the Phone
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They did what Marino couldn't.
entremet
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So why is Terry Bradshaw never in the top 5 in most people's lists?
Ninja Scooter
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Joe Montana's stats in his first Super Bowl make Russell Wilson look like Dan Fouts
FallingEdge
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope
DrForester
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Yes, Manning is responsible for Denver's D sitting on their ass that OT drive.
Frustrated_Grunt
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Haha. This thread will always live on.
Stopmotionkai
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Manning over Brady on pure skill imo.
vas_a_morir
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Yes? After what he did with no timeouts and 1 minute left, it's not his fault that his defense couldn't get it done in OT.
Wilson isn't even the best player on the offense though.
Dreams-Visions
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Wilson is more than a 1-trick pony. Nobody open? Manning has to throw it away or make a dangerous throw and pray. Wilson can scramble until someone gets open or turn up the field. That makes him inherently more valuable, IMO.
That last drive was basically a showcase for why he's a more valuable QB than Peyton.
Hasn't won shit since spygate.
timetokill
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that last Broncos drive was God-tier. the dude is the best.
This is.....there's just so much wrong with this statement. Wilson doesn't have to carry his team. Wilson doesn't have nearly the responsibility Manning has. Wilson fell into the perfect spot.
Manning not being a scrambler has never been a detriment....
Yup. He also doesn't lose them games by throwing an INT or doing some dumb shit either. Dude goes out there and leads his team down the field any way he can. He's not the most dominating player on their team, but I don't think they would be as successful as a team without him at the helm. The offense at least. I'd take him over Manning any day.
Manning is still one of the best of all time, mind you.
HocusPocus
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Wilson isn't asked to win a game to the degree manning is. Wilson is asked not to lose it. They have a running game and defense that are both superior to Denver. Manning's teams always win and lose based on him. If he has a bad game they lose. He doesn't get bailed out. They lost today because he had a bad game for Manning. His numbers at the end would have been a good game by Wilson.
Velcro Fly
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Give any top 10 in the league QB that defense and Lynch and they go 19-0
Then why are they 2-1?
Haloid1177
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Montana is GOAT, Brady is best of this generations of QBs.
That's nice.
No he's not. Since spygate and that defense left him (Brady) he's been no more successful than Peyton Manning. Big stats, lots of wins and can't quite win the big one.
MetalFearSolid
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These top ten QBs are who? Besides Pey, Brees, A-Rod, Brady, other 6.
6 QBs would be who: Luck? Rivers?
Who else?
6 QBs would be who: Luck? Rivers?
Who else?
Two Super Bowl appearances though since Spygate (with one of them being a very lucky win for the Giants) ain't nothing to sneeze at. I mean come on Brady, unlike Manning always goes big in the playoffs as well as the regular season (except last year but he's old now with not as much support).
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Cousins
Plus HoHoyer and Drew Stanton
Is he taking Griffin's spot? Since he's outplayed Griffin damn near everytime he's got the start.
True about the playoffs for Brady.
Lone_Prodigy
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That last minute drive was great, except Wilson matched him in OT and his drive beforehand ended in an interception.
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