JohnnyFootball
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Looking at replacing my 670. It's finally starting to show its age and I was curious if the Radeon 380 was enough of an improvement to be worth it?
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Is Radeon 380 a worthy upgrade over GeForce 670?
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Hamster Plugin
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The next batch of Nvidia is supposed to come out in about two months so you can probably wait for Nvidia and AMD to show off their next stuff. I had a 670 before replacing it with 980 Ti about half a year ago.
JohnnyFootball
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Yeah I see that but those will likely be well outside my price range.
Wait for the price drop then
Edit: the price of the 390 to drop down halfway to the current 380 price that is, should have been more clear. Cannot in good conscience recommend going for the 380 instead of the 390 but if you feel that the 380 is enough for what you're doing and can't pay the additional price for the upgrade sure man go ahead. Having to upgrade years before because your stuff is getting old is never going to be a fun thing and the luxury of having relevant hardware is way worth it.
JohnnyFootball
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Video cards usually don't drop in price. They usually keep the same price and are just discontinued once the next gen comes.Wait for the price drop then
I've never seen a significant price drop in video cards,
opticalmace
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I'm going to say probably not.
As an approximation...
The 670 and 760 are pretty much even in anandtech bench (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1038?vs=1349).
And you can compare the 760 to the R9 380 here: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1591?vs=1658
Looks pretty even still.
edit:
check out this review, it has some 670 benchmarks in it, and you can form your own conclusion: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-radeon-r9-380-strix-review,1.html
As an approximation...
The 670 and 760 are pretty much even in anandtech bench (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1038?vs=1349).
And you can compare the 760 to the R9 380 here: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1591?vs=1658
Looks pretty even still.
edit:
check out this review, it has some 670 benchmarks in it, and you can form your own conclusion: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-radeon-r9-380-strix-review,1.html
Guess Europe is more agressive with this, nvidia cards drop in price over time here a lot. My GTX 970 certainly has over its shelftime.
Let's say hold out for a sale then.
Those benchmarks and comparisons use old games though, when Kepler was still good. Nowadays Kepler performance is terrible compared to older AMD cards.
opticalmace
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The link at the bottom of my post has recent stuff though. Looks like maybe 20-30% faster depending on the title?
Yep AMD cards tend to stay good longer than nvidia cards. Not 100% sure why but it's a thing.
If you're looking to buy in the immediate future, I'd say pass over the 380 as the gains would be minimal compared to the price you're paying, and go for the 390. The 8gb will help cover you if you do decide to pursue higher resolutions and what not. Another positive is that, GPU-wise, you'll be vr ready.
Being this close to announcements though, if you can wait, I would. You'll be able to see what each side plans to offer and then go with one if they do come close to your price range. In the end, you're not waiting much longer.
Being this close to announcements though, if you can wait, I would. You'll be able to see what each side plans to offer and then go with one if they do come close to your price range. In the end, you're not waiting much longer.
RenegadeXV8
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AMD is targeting the mainstream market with Polaris, this typically means the $150-300 range.
If you can wait another 1-2 months I'm sure you'll find far better options to replace that 670.
I mean very recent games. Games that didn't start development with the 360/ps3 in mind.
Some games even show a 100% performance increase. For example the Division and recent Frostbite titles.
This is a recent thing though. It wasn't always the case. Fairly certain it's because consoles are using AMD.
opticalmace
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Link?
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Polaris launch should be happening in the next few months and they seem to be aiming for affordability and efficiency over power. I'd wait for that because I bet what you could buy will be able to last you longer.
http://gamegpu.com/mmorpg-/-onlayn-igry/tom-clancy-s-the-division-test-gpu.html
http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/star-wars-battlefront-test-gpu.html - This one one doesn't have the 380 but you can gauge the performance based on other AMD cards
http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/mirror-s-edge-catalyst-beta-test-gpu
Edit: Oh I took the 380x for the 380. My mistake. Still like around 70% though.
But even Nvidia's most recent architecture is taking a hit. Maxwell performance is also slipping versus AMD so your argument doesn't hold water.
No, it's because of driver support. Nvidia supports their old cards with new drivers longer, which makes it seem like they're better at supporting old cards; however, they stop optimizing for the cards regularly once they have a new architecture out, so that support is pretty much just token. Since AMD hasn't had a major architecture change since 2012, all of their cards since then have had consistent optimization improvements.
VlaudTheImpaler
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What is your budget? I'm looking to get rid of my R9 390 when the new cards hit and would be willing to let go of it for a fair price. It's a little over 3 months old. I bought it new and I don't plan on overclocking it because I intend to resell it. I only got it as a stop gap for the new cards as I built my first ever PC this year.
Though you might be better off just waiting till the new cards hit so how does this sound? You wait till the new cards hit. See if the price/performance of them is good enough for you. If they are then pick one of them up but if not then at least keep me in mind? I still want to get rid of my card as soon as I get my hands on a new one, BC they are supposed to be VR optimized, so I will be actively looking to sell it. But I would gladly give you first dibs if you want them and check with you first should I get any offers.
Though you might be better off just waiting till the new cards hit so how does this sound? You wait till the new cards hit. See if the price/performance of them is good enough for you. If they are then pick one of them up but if not then at least keep me in mind? I still want to get rid of my card as soon as I get my hands on a new one, BC they are supposed to be VR optimized, so I will be actively looking to sell it. But I would gladly give you first dibs if you want them and check with you first should I get any offers.
R10Neymarfan
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Get a 380x to hold you over till Polaris if you can't wait.
ShadowKingpin
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What will be the big selling points for Polaris? I apologize if that is a stupid question. Will it be wise for someone who wants to get into VR, or should I just stick with NVIDIA for that?
Aztechnology
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It's the same in the U.S.
https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/video-card/
You can occasionally get a great deal. But gone are the days you can buy a card, then nab a second a few years later for cheap. At least not a new one.
The same selling points as Nvidia when it comes to VR. Neither has any special thing the other doesn't. They'll both have adequate Vram etc. It will just come to Performance per watt/ Performance per dollar upfront.
ShadowKingpin
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Ah ok. I have the Radeon HD 7950 3GB and trying to build a new PC based on these new GPU's and want to make sure it's worth sticking with AMD.
Aztechnology
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I think it is, but that's because of their design philosophies and adoption of open standards etc. I've been using Nvidia for over a decade, but I really despise their actions with Gameworks and forcing Gsync as the only option for their cards on monitors/devices. I plan to switch to AMD this year. Currently rolling with a 970.
Just wait.
The biggest change in graphics cards since 2011 is happening now.
Not just new architectures, but finally switching from 28 to 14/16 nm manufacturing.
Computex is 31 May - 1 June, which is when most things seem to be set to unveil.
Pretty much everything on the market today has been out for over a year, the time to buy those has passed, in my opinion.
And the GTX 670 you got is like 4 years old, hold on to it for just one month before you make a decision, it is a pretty short wait if you put it in that perspective.
Also, new launches can affect prices of both own and competing previous cards.
The biggest change in graphics cards since 2011 is happening now.
Not just new architectures, but finally switching from 28 to 14/16 nm manufacturing.
Computex is 31 May - 1 June, which is when most things seem to be set to unveil.
Pretty much everything on the market today has been out for over a year, the time to buy those has passed, in my opinion.
And the GTX 670 you got is like 4 years old, hold on to it for just one month before you make a decision, it is a pretty short wait if you put it in that perspective.
Also, new launches can affect prices of both own and competing previous cards.
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Depending on how much you want to spend, rumors (and company statements) are pointing towards AMD launching their lower level, cheaper chips this year and not launching their flagship stuff until next year with Vega (which is kind of true for Nvidia's rumors but to a lesser degree). Pay attention to the products that are announced in the next month or two because AMD and Nvidia might be releasing products at the same power/price level or Nvidia might be aiming higher. Depending on what you're aiming for and when you plan to upgrade, that could impact what your brand options are.
chaosblade
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I'm not normally on team wait, but for this instance I think it's worth it. We're just weeks away from new cards that should be the biggest improvement in a while, and upgrade you are looking at isn't a particularly big one.
See what gets announced, if there isn't anything for you there will be something for plenty of other people. And that will drive down secondhand prices (and likely prices for existing stock to get rid of it, the upcoming GPUs are not high end so prices have to fall or they will never sell through) so you can get a bigger upgrade than you were originally planning.
See what gets announced, if there isn't anything for you there will be something for plenty of other people. And that will drive down secondhand prices (and likely prices for existing stock to get rid of it, the upcoming GPUs are not high end so prices have to fall or they will never sell through) so you can get a bigger upgrade than you were originally planning.
Woo-Fu
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I've been buying video cards since the late 80's, the previous model/line is almost always discounted by retailers to move old stock. Otherwise it tends to not move at all because who wants to buy previous models at current pricing when you could just buy the new models? Obviously there are exceptions when you have a stellar card that is still great even in the face of new models.
I also tend to see discounts from the competition whenever one company comes out with the hot new thing. This past set of cards is the first time in a long time I've seen Nvidia not really give a shit about competing with AMD on price. The Nvidia brand is so strong at this point AMD would have to deliver a card that straight up trounces Nvidia's offering in every meaningful metric to get Nvidia to budge on pricing.
JohnnyFootball
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I will probably jusy wait.
Honestly I am interested in a card that will run Quantum Break on PC decently enough.
I dont need all the fancy-wancy effects. Just want decent settings (medium) and get 1080p/30fps minimum.
And from what I gather that after recent patches AMD cards are running it better.
But from what I see is that the Radeon 380 isn't much of an improvement over the 670 to justify a $200+ cost
Honestly I am interested in a card that will run Quantum Break on PC decently enough.
I dont need all the fancy-wancy effects. Just want decent settings (medium) and get 1080p/30fps minimum.
And from what I gather that after recent patches AMD cards are running it better.
But from what I see is that the Radeon 380 isn't much of an improvement over the 670 to justify a $200+ cost
Dictator93
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180 USD? That is pretty great!
BloodFeastislandMan
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Yes, a jump to a 380 wouls be a really big jump.
Tell me about it - I got a GTX 970 for 379.99 canadian on launch day. This is how much it costs now. I was planning on doing SLI when the card started to get a little older but why bother.
JohnnyFootball
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Thats exactly what I meant. Video cards aren't like video games or other electronics where you can find older games for well under their release days price pretty much anywhere.
While there are deals to be had for video cards, but you usually have to be on the lookout for them and watch the internet religiously and you might get a good deal, but I have never seen a video card get much of a discount from its original price.
The Geforce 970 is not likely to get many discounts and I would bet the lowest we see it go is $250.
For me if I was gonna pay $250, then I might as well spend a little more and get something more recent.
JohnnyFootball
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZFNDRFC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Now, I am tempted. Come on GAF help me fight that temptation.
$179 seems like a steal and I want to upgrade my GPU so bad.
Of course, I could continue to save up and see if the Geforce 1070 is priced more along the lines of the 970.
Now, I am tempted. Come on GAF help me fight that temptation.
$179 seems like a steal and I want to upgrade my GPU so bad.
Of course, I could continue to save up and see if the Geforce 1070 is priced more along the lines of the 970.
Bluforce
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You have to wait 3 days to see new GPUs.
And one month to buy a new GPU.
So, wait.
Rushersauce
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Wait for Polascal.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
If the Geforce 1070 is gonna cost the rumored $400 then I will pass.
It should cost what the 970 cost
Wait for Polaris/Pascal. Also get a card with 4 GB RAM. Games are starting to use more than 2 GB. $179 for a 20-30% boost (in the best case scenario, will sometimes be less) while staying at 2 GB RAM is a bad value. If you must buy a card now, at least go for a 4 GB 380 for $10-20 more. Still not a good value, but better than 2 GB.
JohnnyFootball
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Tacklemacain
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Just wait for polaris/pascal. Amd will defently release somthing within your pricerange. Either the small polaris 10 or the big polaris 11.
JohnnyFootball
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Yeah, I just need to be patient.
I also get paid on thursday and something cool will be announced by then.
Beautiful Ninja
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The R9 380/GTX 960 tier of cards aren't worth buying IMO, they are a pretty mediocre price/performance value right now.
Wait until Pascal/Polaris come out and see what that does to GPU prices. Scoring a discounted R9 390 is probably the best value I can think of potentially coming up soon, it'll be a card that gets replaced by a Polaris card and so far it's holding up very well in modern games and in DX12.
Wait until Pascal/Polaris come out and see what that does to GPU prices. Scoring a discounted R9 390 is probably the best value I can think of potentially coming up soon, it'll be a card that gets replaced by a Polaris card and so far it's holding up very well in modern games and in DX12.
JohnnyFootball
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Yeah, I want to see how Polaris/Pascal runs Quantum Break.
Although that game is so horribly optimized that I doubt those cards will make much of a dent.
I have been using nvidia for the past 7 years and I am anxious to give AMD another shot. If the price/performance is good.
Afterall, competition is a good thing.