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Is The Chinese Military Rotting From Within?

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you forgot to bold the biggest bomba of the article: 'no country can defeat china' that's confidence right there.

No culture has done so since the Mongols created the Yuan Dynasty and defeated the Jin & Song some 800 years ago. Even then some might say that the Mongols were lucky: the Jin Dynasty was at war on two fronts to the north and south, and the Song Dynasty had an incompetent military compared to its other grandeur attributes. Couple that with both Dynasties using gunpowder for the very first time, 500 years before the Thirteen Colonies battled against the might of the British Empire or Napoleon stomped throughout Europe, so there were bound to be difficulties in its application for warfare.

The Mongols may have achieved it on horseback, but we're talking about one of the greatest military empires that even had Europe quaking - it took the natural fortification of the Himalayas to stop them from invading India earlier on throughout their various empiric lifespans. The fact that they were nomadic in nature and lived primarily on the steppes while having to invade China through dry locations (such as the Gobi Desert, the Taklamakan Desert, and the Tibetan Plateau) that they were used to more than likely helped immensely.


As for recent history, Japan tried but failed miserably spending 8 "official" years with invasion plans reaching back to almost 15 years, and they still barely managed to get through north-east China throughout that length of time outside of a few coastal points here and there.

Disregarding all external facts of warfare and population of enlisted troops, the country itself is too large and too diverse in locale. It would be akin to invading North America collectively.
 
No culture has done so since the Mongols created the Yuan Dynasty and defeated the Jin & Song some 800 years ago. Even then some might say that the Mongols were lucky: the Jin Dynasty was at war on two fronts to the north and south, and the Song Dynasty had an incompetent military compared to its other grandeur attributes. Couple that with both Dynasties using gunpowder for the very first time, 500 years before the Thirteen Colonies battled against the might of the British Empire or Napoleon stomped throughout Europe, so there were bound to be difficulties in its application for warfare.

The Mongols may have achieved it on horseback, but we're talking about one of the greatest military empires that even had Europe quaking - it took the natural fortification of the Himalayas to stop them from invading India earlier on throughout their various empiric lifespans. The fact that they were nomadic in nature and lived primarily on the steppes while having to invade China through dry locations (such as the Gobi Desert, the Taklamakan Desert, and the Tibetan Plateau) that they were used to more than likely helped immensely.


As for recent history, Japan tried but failed miserably spending 8 "official" years with invasion plans reaching back to almost 15 years, and they still barely managed to get through north-east China throughout that length of time outside of a few coastal points here and there.

Disregarding all external facts of warfare and population of enlisted troops, the country itself is too large and too diverse in locale. It would be akin to invading North America collectively.

Pretty much this. The only way to defeat China would literally to say "You know what? Fuck civilian casualties." and go balls out WWII style, total war of bombing anything remotely human constructed. Anything less and you're wasting your efforts.
 
Pretty much this. The only way to defeat China would literally to say "You know what? Fuck civilian casualties." and go balls out WWII style, total war of bombing anything remotely human constructed. Anything less and you're wasting your efforts.
Japan kinda did this already. Red crosses on top of the buildings were considered easy targets by bombers and it didn't help their efforts. China is pretty much just too big country to invade, logistic would be close to impossible to handle in any resonable manner.
 
It is a double edge sword. Right now Hong Kong is functioning as a service based economy because of visitors from China.
Yep, the more the HK economy depends on mainland tourists, the more leverage Beijing has over what goes on in HK. My dad thinks once Beijing and Shanghai surpass HK, HK's economy is going to be in trouble.
 
Pretty much this. The only way to defeat China would literally to say "You know what? Fuck civilian casualties." and go balls out WWII style, total war of bombing anything remotely human constructed. Anything less and you're wasting your efforts.


The way I see it, the best way to defeat China is to break it up into smaller states. Incite a civil war. Even relatively small, sparsely populated countries are too much for modern powers to permanently occupy, even once the open-warfare phase of the conflict is over, because the public doesn't have the stomach for it anymore.
 
No culture has done so since the Mongols created the Yuan Dynasty and defeated the Jin & Song some 800 years ago.


It depends what you mean by "defeat". Other nations are capable of preventing China from completing military objectives, and defending themselves from Chinese invasion. But if you mean annexing China, this is more complicated because of nuclear weapons and the general difficulties you face when occupying countries that don't want to be occupied.
 
Communism actually works. There are fully functioning communist societies out there.

What you should specify that communism doesn't work beyond anything super small scale. We're talking under 100 people. Past that it starts becoming a massive clusterfuck.

Yup.

There are many examples of little villages who had their own little communist system in several countries. Having a (traditional) centralist communist system can never work because of the big risk of corruption.
 
you forgot to bold the biggest bomba of the article: 'no country can defeat china' that's confidence right there.

It is true. Happened many, many times in the past. China was conquered by various tribes, most recently by Mongols who established Qing dynasty. How did it end? Mongols got assimilated into Chinese culture, same thing that happened every single time in the past.

Even if some country conquers China (which is impossible logistically) - they will simply get integrated within 50-100 years. Chinese state apparatus will be fine.
 
Why are people talking about occupying China?

Communism actually works. There are fully functioning communist societies out there.

What you should specify that communism doesn't work beyond anything super small scale. We're talking under 100 people. Past that it starts becoming a massive clusterfuck.

Technically its at least 55,000. But hasn't been shown to be higher than that.
 
It is true. Happened many, many times in the past. China was conquered by various tribes, most recently by Mongols who established Qing dynasty. How did it end? Mongols got assimilated into Chinese culture, same thing that happened every single time in the past.

Even if some country conquers China (which is impossible logistically) - they will simply get integrated within 50-100 years. Chinese state apparatus will be fine.

thought the manchu founded the last chinese dynasty, the mongols did the much earlier jing dynasty. The qing dynasty was also founded on the back of a peasant rebellion within china.
 
When I hang out in SA, any China thread eventually derail to missile vs. carrier group military crap. Is this thread going that way too?
 
The way I see it, the best way to defeat China is to break it up into smaller states. Incite a civil war. Even relatively small, sparsely populated countries are too much for modern powers to permanently occupy, even once the open-warfare phase of the conflict is over, because the public doesn't have the stomach for it anymore.

Problem is that there is a mass migration of People from other provinces. In western china there Han Chinese made up of 40-50% of the population. Very different from USSR where you can still have own republic
 
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