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Is there an inverse relationship between beauty and intelligence?
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ProfessorLobo
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Hot girls are more ignorant than ugly girls.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Strange that the threadtitle asks the opposite question of what science has pointed out as a curious correlation.
And as someone who has done a longer tour of duty in the education system, my answer is a most definite NO to the thread title (your mental image of the ugly nerd stereotype is hollywood, not reality) and a definite YES to the correlation suggested.
If you were to spend a day on a university campus, you might find yourself asking were all the ugly people went.
And as someone who has done a longer tour of duty in the education system, my answer is a most definite NO to the thread title (your mental image of the ugly nerd stereotype is hollywood, not reality) and a definite YES to the correlation suggested.
If you were to spend a day on a university campus, you might find yourself asking were all the ugly people went.
Once, before a high school French class, I reviewed a section of an upcoming test with one the supposedly dumb hot girls. As we were reviewing the countries that bordered Togo she corrected me when I mispronounced Burkina Faso. The weird thing is that a few moments later when she pronounced during class, she pronounced as poorly as possible and then turned around and winked at me!
The teacher just condescendingly corrected her, but every since I've suspected that at least half of ditzy girls are just pretending to be dumb. :lol
The teacher just condescendingly corrected her, but every since I've suspected that at least half of ditzy girls are just pretending to be dumb. :lol
Fimbulvetr
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Trurl said:
She trusts you, Hit it! There is nothing wrong with taking sex advice from random people on the internet.
She sounds pretty cool though. Like I said, it's all circumstantial and whatnot.
SouthernDragon
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I'd suggest there's no relationship, in the earlier stages.
BamYouHaveAids
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Thanks for the dissection; pretentious internet psychoanalyst.The Experiment said:
I personally believe, that U.S. Americans,
are unable to do so,
because uh,
some, people out there, in our nation dont have maps.
and uh
I believe that our education like such as in South Africa,
and the Iraq,
everywhere like such as
and, I believe they should uh,
our education over here,
in the U.S. should help the U.S.
or should help South Africa,
and should help the Iraq and Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future,
for us.
are unable to do so,
because uh,
some, people out there, in our nation dont have maps.
and uh
I believe that our education like such as in South Africa,
and the Iraq,
everywhere like such as
and, I believe they should uh,
our education over here,
in the U.S. should help the U.S.
or should help South Africa,
and should help the Iraq and Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future,
for us.
CultureClearance
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technically no. but there is an obvious psychological inverse relationship between being beautiful and having to be smart/funny/clever/etc to compensate for not being beautiful. A lot of hot women out there are technically and genetically smart but don't bother to use and grow that intelligence into anything. So, what's the difference between being genetically dumb and just not bothering to expand and apply your aptitude? In a real world sense there is none.
So, technically/scientifically speaking - no.
But in the real world/practically speaking - Too often.
So, technically/scientifically speaking - no.
But in the real world/practically speaking - Too often.
CultureClearance
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Kipz said:
Yeah, it's called being 18 and female and not going through the freshman 15 yet. I heard somewhere now it should statistically called the freshman 30. That could be bull though. I dunno.
You don't really have to be smart to go to college these days either. You just have to have money. It's possible that's a bigger factor than brains.
I went to a very very large college and majored in art. Computer art to be exact but i still had to take many many art classes and got to the know the department very well. Most of the art majors were women and a lot of the hot ones that went clubbing all the time didn't make it to the senior year. The hot ratio went from 85/15 to 60/40 by senior year :-(. And this is majoring in something that you're almost guaranteed never to use for a career and don't have to do anything but do something...anything every once in a while to graduate! :lol.
Fimbulvetr
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Does this study account for all of the average looking people?
Also :lol @: "I'm so smart and beautiful, these ugly nerds need to stop hatin'. Narcissism? The fuck is that?"
Also :lol @: "I'm so smart and beautiful, these ugly nerds need to stop hatin'. Narcissism? The fuck is that?"
Kuro Madoushi
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Well...supermodel girls you can't really have a deep meaningful conversation with aren't book smart. However, I'd say they have a certain amount of cunning and know how to use their assets.
I've met enough hot/smart // ugly/smart // hot/dumb // ugly/dumb people that I think there are other factors at play.
I've met enough hot/smart // ugly/smart // hot/dumb // ugly/dumb people that I think there are other factors at play.
Epic Tier 3 Engineer
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Pretty girls have more to worry about, and thus don't care as much for their studies. Really ugly girls also have too much to worry about, and the same logic applies.
Average girls, though? Smart. They end up rich and not burned out, too. So go for the average girl.
Average girls, though? Smart. They end up rich and not burned out, too. So go for the average girl.
Beauty is in they eye of the beholder. One girl could look "ugly" to one guy and smoking hot to another. Just different tastes. Now intelligence...that depends on what you define, personally, as what makes a person smart. Is it the fact they can shout out random facts at the top of their head? Being able to debate a complex issue? Fact is their are different kinds of intelligence. One person could run circles around another in book knowledge for example, and the other person could show them how to do something kinesthetically and might take them longer. It all comes down to two things: Perception and personal opinion. This study is worthless.
"God's Beard!"
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bjork said:
He certainly was.
Flying_Phoenix
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:lol No beauty has nothing to do with intelligence.
I've seen plenty of girls with head on their shoulders who were hot enough to date the all-star high school quarterback to others looking like Marjin Buu.
I can say vice versa for stupidity.
People just in general like to stereotype from the outside as they most likely don't even bother getting to know people. I also tend to notice people making these judgements are really the idiots themselves instead of the actual girl.
This is also a good point. But even than so, let's imagine that all of the stereotypes of hot girls are true (they aren't), and now that we've acknowledged that. Who is really "stupid" the girl who tends to be "out of it" at times like "Oh shit I forgot to turn my car lights off" OR the guys who are drooling over her who are constantly being played and pussywhipped by her will?
I've seen plenty of girls with head on their shoulders who were hot enough to date the all-star high school quarterback to others looking like Marjin Buu.
I can say vice versa for stupidity.
People just in general like to stereotype from the outside as they most likely don't even bother getting to know people. I also tend to notice people making these judgements are really the idiots themselves instead of the actual girl.
Asmodai said:
This is also a good point. But even than so, let's imagine that all of the stereotypes of hot girls are true (they aren't), and now that we've acknowledged that. Who is really "stupid" the girl who tends to be "out of it" at times like "Oh shit I forgot to turn my car lights off" OR the guys who are drooling over her who are constantly being played and pussywhipped by her will?
AlternativeUlster
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baultista said:
Point made?
I know it is Barry Manilow but man, I fucking hate Rod Stewart.
Tim the Wiz
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Attempting to draw probability either way is a fool's errand in the vein of the once-popular attribution of intelligence per size of brain.
cyclonekruse
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NightBlade88 said:
In some ways yes, but in other ways no. The way most beauty studies are done is they have pictures of women (or men) and have people rate them for attractiveness on a scale of 1 to 5 or something. It turns out that the "pretty" people are consistently rated as more attractive by the majority of people in the study. It's even cross-cultural to some extent. So although there is some personal opinion coming into play, studying beauty is slightly more objective than you make it out to be.
NightBlade88 said:
No, in studies it's defined as one's score on IQ tests, typically. It's not a subjective assessment. Of course, you can argue that IQ doesn't actually measure intelligence but that's not the easiest argument to make. People with higher IQ's tend to get better grades and higher-paying jobs. So even if it doesn't account for all types of intelligence, IQ is still measuring something related to general intelligence, it seems.
Flying_Phoenix
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cyclonekruse said:
Well most things endured by Western Media are endured by other cultures as well. I'm not saying that in actuality a fair share of men would prefer Rosie O' Donald to Jessica Alba, but women that are seen as "average" to many might not be so if the curtain was lifted.
cyclonekruse said:
He does have a point though. Yes the valid victorian may be the best at Calculus but that doesn't mean that they are street smart or know how to deal with people and certain life situations.
In short good grades and good jobs may be a strong indicator to the likes of knowledge but really aren't at all in terms of wisdom.
Buckethead
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I don't know but there's definitely a direct causal relationship between money and attractiveness in the female mind.
cyclonekruse
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Flying_Phoenix said:
It's not a matter of the media deciding what's attractive. People's brains are wired to find certain things more attractive such as symmetry and feminine features. Also, it's ironic that you would mention "average" because the closer to average a face is in terms of facial features (such as nose length and width, eye distance, etc.) the more attractive it is, in general. These are all indicators of genetic fitness, or so evolutionary psychologists say.
Flying_Phoenix said:
Does IQ measure every type of intelligence possible? No. No one claims that it does. The claim is that it measures some type(s) of intelligence consistently.
cyclonekruse
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NightBlade88 said:
...IQ tests gauge a person's intelligence. If I'm a 110 and someone's a 120, I'll think s/he's smart. Someone else (who is an 80) would find him/her to be a "fucking genius." Just because it's relative doesn't mean it's subjective.
From personal experience only, I'd say out of beautiful woman, 90% are idiots, and 10% are intelligent. While with unattractive woman 70% are idiots, 30% are intelligent.
And as for men, we are just 100% stupid all the way around no matter how we look.
And as for men, we are just 100% stupid all the way around no matter how we look.
ElectricBlue187
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Flying_Phoenix said:
one time when i was working at Sears, this fat ugly lady walked in and asked for a "ra-mote petroleum" after several attempts at understanding this piece of human trash I finally figured out that she meant "remote control"
Flying_Phoenix
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I swear to god that I misspelt valedictorian and when I right clicked it I accidently clicked on an option saying "valid victorian". :lol
Whatever screw it Gaf, that's my word now. No one can use it but me!
And this disproves from me saying that while all people will naturally find some things attractive they still have opinions of their own on some things that are attractive how?
I won't argue that it doesn't measure consistency but more so that (especially if the IQ levels aren't of a huge difference) the actual intelligence can be argued as certain types of intelligence would be more important than others according to some people (I already gave my street smart example).
Whatever screw it Gaf, that's my word now. No one can use it but me!
cyclonekruse said:
And this disproves from me saying that while all people will naturally find some things attractive they still have opinions of their own on some things that are attractive how?
cyclonekruse said:
I won't argue that it doesn't measure consistency but more so that (especially if the IQ levels aren't of a huge difference) the actual intelligence can be argued as certain types of intelligence would be more important than others according to some people (I already gave my street smart example).
gray_fox224
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cyclonekruse
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Flying_Phoenix said:
It wouldn't if you had actually said that. And, of course, I myself was saying something quite similar and since you seemed to be disagreeing with me, I assumed you were disagreeing with such a statement.
Flying_Phoenix said:
Sure, book smarts are usually more valued than musical intelligence, at least here in the States. I don't see how that debunks what I'm saying at all about IQ being an objective measure for intelligence though.
Fimbulvetr
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Pachael said:
Not to mention super geniuses who could all find the cure for cancer, but don't feel like it because they are so chillax and busy having sex every night.:lol
Flying_Phoenix
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cyclonekruse said:
What's with the fancy talk?
Honestly that is what I said.
Flying_Phoenix said:
Flying_Phoenix said:
In the above one I specifically say that while a lot of men would naturally prefer some things in a women over others, they still could be attracted to things that in the mainstream society would only be considered as "average".
cyclonekruse said:
It debunks it because if someone has an IQ of 110 and is majoring in rocket science yet is too much of a mama's boy that he couldn't live outside of his mother's house nor can he deal with people and hard-hitting situations, and on the flip-side there is someone else with an IQ of 95 who was born and raised in downtown New York and thus is very street smart, there is a pretty significant argument to some people in which who is actually smarter.
Yes when has a higher "objective measure for intelligence" but one has intelligence where it actually counts.
cyclonekruse
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Flying_Phoenix said:
In the one above you specifically say you aren't saying anything ("I'm not saying..."). There was an implication towards the opposing statement but you stopped short of actually expressing the thought and I didn't feel the need to guess at your intended meaning.
Also, what do you mean? That because men are attracted to their wives (who are more often than not hovering around "average") this invalidates saying beauty is somewhat objective? Sure, they can be attracted to the plainer women but if you were to ask them (anonymously) whether or not Jessica Alba was more physically attractive than their wives, they'd overwhelmingly say 'yes.' Yes, men are often attracted to average-looking women, but they are more attracted to good-looking women and even more attracted to beautiful women. How is that a problem for what I said?
Flying_Phoenix said:
"Where it actually counts" is a highly subjective assessment. And anyway, I could readily admit that there are cases where some people with higher IQs are actually less intelligent compared to some people with lower IQs. Tendencies are what matter--correlations. There can be numerous examples of people that don't quite fit the mold but in general the claim can still hold true. This is especially true of the field of psychology where an r-value of somewhere around 0.25 is considered a significant correlation and 0.4 is a strong correlation. In other fields, they'd throw out such data as insignificant.
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