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As someone who went down that road and ultimately won't really be using anything but the title, add me to camp 3. Why are you considering it? Do you need it or just want it? Do you really want it... like really? If you aren't really sure... then listen to camp 2.

It's not that I really want a PhD. It's more like... I don't want my 4 years of BSc to go to waste. I've built all this knowledge and I love my program, but I feel like I'd be throwing it away if I go back for an engineering degree.

Sunk costs fallacy and all that, but still.
 
Thought I should check into this thread by now. I have a BS in Computer Engineering and working on my PhD. My department actually lets students go directly for a PhD right after undergrad. Sounds weird at first but if a PhD is your ultimate goal I guess being forced to get a Masters is like beating the bush.

I like my time here well enough, but I'm having major problems with my department being run by assholes. First and secondhand experience in dealing with obtuse "rules" that are put in place solely so they get out of doing work, and a lot of the people who should help you just end up looking for any reason to blame you.

It's only my first year here and I'm already bitter. I guess that's not a good sign :(
 
Good luck! I actually heard that some people don't like MBA students without experience... too costly for an entry level job 'overqualified,' but not qualified enough for something more.

This is true. However, one of my classmates came into the MBA straight out of undergrad and managed to land a job in marketing at Mattel. A good summer internship is key, and many people who feel they lack experience do internships throughout the school year (obviously this increases your work load substantially, but you do what you need to do). I interned part-time for a boutique consulting firm throughout my entire first year of the MBA program, which substantially improved my resume.

That said, it will definitely be more difficult to land the truly great jobs if you have a weaker resume.
 
I got an offer for a PhD scholarship today from my school ($25k/year + fees without accounting for what I'll earn for tutoring undergrads, so it's quite decent). I'll be working on a control systems oriented project with the possibility of also investigating some relevant robotics/AI problems.

I'm really stoked but I also applied for a research master with another supervisor, who's also supervising me for a research project over the summer (ie. now since I'm in the southern hemisphere). I only started working with him two weeks ago and I will already need to break the news to him tomorrow... He's a great supervisor so hopefully he doesn't take it the wrong way.

Anyone here got any hint to handle a situation like that without making things too awkward?
 
I only have two weeks of classes left, then it's just student teaching/special project (equivalent of thesis)... after that, I'll have my MS.

These are the last two weeks of classes I'll ever have unless I go for a doctorate, or change professions. Surreal.
 
Finishing off a Masters in Bioinformatics. Starting to do some research work as part of the course. Looking at optimising antimicrobial alpha-helical peptides for potency and selectivity.
 
Thought I should check into this thread by now. I have a BS in Computer Engineering and working on my PhD. My department actually lets students go directly for a PhD right after undergrad. Sounds weird at first but if a PhD is your ultimate goal I guess being forced to get a Masters is like beating the bush.(

This is really common in math, sciences, engineering, to my experience.

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I have a Bachelors in Physics and I'm currently a Ph.D student in Materials Science and Engineering, with a focus on technical ceramics (think something like this and not this, though my work is somewhere else.)

I've finished all my coursework, passed quals, proposed my thesis and it was accepted, so now I'm probably about a year or 2 out from graduating. Just entirely working on research now.

Seems like most in graduate engineering either go into academia end up continuing research in post-docs in between, while many others go into industry and can generally line up a position a little be more easily and may not need the post-doc. I'm leaning towards the later.

My research isn't going too well, but you can still graduate provided that good work is performed, even if the result is a negative one (say, a thorough analysis why a proposed fabrication method for a certain material isn't viable for scale up, or if there are other limitations.)
 
THREE WEEKS UNTIL FINALS (for semester students).


Who is pumped? ECON! ACCOUNTING! MANAGEMENT!



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I'll take your finals if you write my 62 pages worth of final papers for me.

Just kidding, numbers are scary
 
Just right now, I finished my MBA's thesis.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

Ended up with 80 pages + the cover page, etc. etc.
 
Just right now, I finished my MBA's thesis.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

Ended up with 80 pages + the cover page, etc. etc.

I hope the reviewing process isn't as grueling as it was for both of mine. (It got approved 4-6 months after finishing them).
 
Soooo... Carrying on from my other post, I was offered another (identical) scholarship after talking to my supervisor lol. So now I need to decide whether I want to work on UAVs (first project) or AUVs (what I was offered today). Making choices is hard though...
 
Just right now, I finished my MBA's thesis.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

Ended up with 80 pages + the cover page, etc. etc.

Interesting. Rather than a thesis, my school made you do a two quarter project for a company. Basically a consulting project. There were a lot of times when I wished I could have done a thesis though.
 
A PhD (in humanities) May Cost You a Lifetime of Debt

And while much of the discussion about higher education has focused on undergraduate student loan debt, or the appalling conditions under which adjunct professors often work, usually with little or no benefits, we think it’s fairly safe to say that most people are unaccustomed to hearing that for many professors, even a tenure-track position (decent salary and all) isn’t enough to achieve financial stability.

So if PhD debt is really as big a problem as Kelsky and her survey’s contributors claim, then why does the current data on the subject paint such a starkly different picture? According to the National Science Foundation’s Survey of Earned Doctorates, an impressive 63% of PhDs completed their programs with no graduate school related debt.

Kelsky says that the numbers tell a deceiving story, primarily because there’s a huge discrepancy between those graduating with doctorates in, say, engineering and those graduating with advanced degrees in the humanities. For instance, just under half of humanities students were able to earn their PhD with little to no student loans, and about 28% needed to borrow $30,000 or more to finish their programs. In contrast, those graduating with PhDs in engineering rarely had any student loan debt of which to speak. Kelsky notes that for students in the humanities and social sciences, student debt varies widely, “anywhere from $0 to $250,000.”

According to Kelsky, a typical PhD stipend for a candidate in the humanities is “about $15,000. Which — almost anywhere — is not enough to get by.”

Karen Kelsky explains that the increase in PhD student loan debt “starts with the massive defunding of higher education in the United States.” She adds that, “basically, it has become a revenue-driven institution, and so departments and programs that don’t generate revenue in the way that the sciences or engineering or business do, find themselves defunded.”

For most PhD candidates in humanities and the social sciences, the hope is that eventually they’ll land a tenure-track position where they’ll finally be able to work their way up the ladder and gradually pay off the debts accumulated while living on poverty wages as a student. But even a tenure-track position at a major university is often not enough to justify the often staggering amount of debt some students take on.

“I make a payment every month, bigger than my rent, but I’ll likely die with this debt unpaid, despite a TT [tenure track] job,” reported a sociologist who contributed to Kelsky’s survey, and who reported having more than $200,000 in student loan debt.

Another survey respondent, also an anthropologist, describes his experience as a graduate student. “I tutored, worked 5 jobs, never bought drinks or ate on campus. I had several craigslist tutor jobs up. I also had 6 years Research Assistant to an administrator in which I was published a lot. I got 3 fellowships. I played the game and it was okay for the tuition payoff. I don’t regret it but do not recommend it for anyone unless you are rich and want to get a ‘vanity PhD.’”

Read more: http://wallstcheatsheet.com/persona...ifetime-of-debt.html/?a=viewall#ixzz3KOAG4ccr
 
Lonely1's post above makes me so thankful for doing my Ph.D. in a field that pays decently. Best of luck to those outside of STEM fields seeking an MS or Ph.D.
 
I'm planning on getting a graduate degree in either international relations/development or Public Health in a few years. This will be after getting two years of work experience with the Peace Corps, which will hopefully assist me in getting into a top-notch university or at least full funding at a good university, and to get a good career after I obtain my graduate degree.

I already have my GRE prep books, and I plan to take the exam sometime during the middle of my service in South Africa. Has anyone here obtained a graduate degree in either fields?
 
I'm planning on getting a graduate degree in either international relations/development or Public Health in a few years. This will be after getting two years of work experience with the Peace Corps, which will hopefully assist me in getting into a top-notch university or at least full funding at a good university, and to get a good career after I obtain my graduate degree.

I already have my GRE prep books, and I plan to take the exam sometime during the middle of my service in South Africa. Has anyone here obtained a graduate degree in either fields?

Traveling is a great experience. i got to travel to Sweden and Italy while doing my MSCS. Anyone care to share their travel experiences?
 
Many of my job applications are due Dec 1. I have about 40 applications going out in this first wave, with about 30 of those being investment banking positions for either M&A product or TMT coverage (mix of bulge boutique and middle market, east and west coast). I'm hoping about a third at least convert to interviews.

Meanwhile I have a final Tuesday that I haven't studied at all for yet because of grade non-disclosure.

Business school is nothing like school.

Traveling is a great experience. i got to travel to Sweden and Italy while doing my MSCS. Anyone care to share their travel experiences?

I'm in a trip of 100 students going to Japan in March. It's mostly booze with some sight-seeing. I'll probably do Hong Kong in the fall and Istanbul May '16 through the school. I'll definitely make some of my own trips too after the internship ends, later in winter break January '16, and spring break '16.

And more wherever I can stuff them if I get the signing bonus.
 
I'm working on a Master of Information for the next two years, focusing on Archives & Records Management.

A bit slow going right now, but first semester is a bit broad. Next semester is looking more interesting/focused.

Also it's a course-based Masters so It's relieving to not have to worry about a thesis.

That's awesome! I'm starting a dual History and Library Science (Archives Management) grad degree in a couple months. My goal is to work with digitizing manuscripts.
 
I'm trying to get a transcript from my community college to apply for graduate school, but this community college gave me two options for transcripts which I'm confused.

One says "Continuing Education Transcript" and the other says "Academic Record, Semester Hours Transcript".

I'm guessing I need Continuing Education Transcript to apply for grad school, but I'm not sure. Thoughts?
 
I'm trying to get a transcript from my community college to apply for graduate school, but this community college gave me two options for transcripts which I'm confused.

One says "Continuing Education Transcript" and the other says "Academic Record, Semester Hours Transcript".

I'm guessing I need Continuing Education Transcript to apply for grad school, but I'm not sure. Thoughts?

You should really call them and ask.
 
I'm trying to get a transcript from my community college to apply for graduate school, but this community college gave me two options for transcripts which I'm confused.

One says "Continuing Education Transcript" and the other says "Academic Record, Semester Hours Transcript".

I'm guessing I need Continuing Education Transcript to apply for grad school, but I'm not sure. Thoughts?
Have you taken any courses for a certificate, a random program, or something like that which wouldn't be considered as being part of one's undergraduate studies? That usually falls under the "Continuing Education" banner (as non-credit coursework), so it would be the other one that you'd want for your actual academic record as a degree-seeking student.

But yeah, ask.
 
I don't know what to do about research. I'm really not getting the adequate mentoring to get shit done (since I'm new to large-scale data analysis) and my class work keeps getting in the way.

This is really common in math, sciences, engineering, to my experience.

That's good to hear. Every time I tell this to people I know (who I went to college with but have graduated) they always look like their mind has blown. "What you DIDN'T need to get a Masters first?!?!!" It was amusing at first but it began to worry me that if it was that unconventional a route that maybe it was unconventional for a reason.
 
Full time engineer working on MS in EE to hopefully transition into IC design. I am working an extra project for work in addition to my school and functional projects to get a chance. 3 more classes left to graduate, but I feel pretty tired all the time.

Jesus Christ.

I'm EE undergrad and the thought of engineering grad school fills me with dread. All the graduate students look miserable.
 
I don't know what to do about research. I'm really not getting the adequate mentoring to get shit done (since I'm new to large-scale data analysis) and my class work keeps getting in the way.

Don't know how it is at your university, but all of the professors in my department keep telling us that classes are really the least important thing we should be doing and our research is the first. The classes matter, but are not nearly as important as everything else.

Are there not research groups you can join and start contributing to first? Can you not set up appointments with your advisor or other faculty members you're interested in working on and just start a project?
 
Jesus Christ.

I'm EE undergrad and the thought of engineering grad school fills me with dread. All the graduate students look miserable.

Is it possible to do research based masters projects where you live (they're like a mini-PhD basically)? My university offer those and most of the masters students I know seem to be quite happy.
 
Jesus Christ.

I'm EE undergrad and the thought of engineering grad school fills me with dread. All the graduate students look miserable.

it just depends on where you're at and what time of year it is. I've spent the last two evenings with engineering PhD students and they were all happy and full of jokes. Sure close to major paper deadlines it can get a little hectic for some, but folks near me are generally pretty well off, and exceptionally well-supported.
 
Time for an update (Stern full-time MBA1):

- Finals are over, grades are still pending. I was never one to repeatedly miss classes in undergrad, so the graduate experience is pretty radically different for me. I was always in the offices of investment banks for events or informational interviews; after the mid-terms, I basically stopped attending almost all of my classes that didn't have video recordings. For my favorite class that covered the history and interconnectedness of the financial services industry, I watched all 20 hours I had missed over the weekend before the exam. For my core marketing class, I got notes from a friend. For my core economics course, I basically did nothing (I really should have taken the proficiency exam for this class to get out of it). Strategy and Entrepreneurship were the only classes I mostly attended, so studying for those was more normal. Supposedly next semester, all of this starts feeling more like 'school', but classes were totally an afterthought during the 1st semester.

- Our school has an interesting system for investment banking interviews. All 1st round interviews happen Monday and Tuesday of the 2nd full week of January. If you are invited to the 2nd round, interviews happen the Wednesday and Thursday of the same week. If selected, internship offers go out the evening of the 2nd round interview. What it means is, if you have been very successful in the process so far (networking at presentations, having informational interviews, being invited to closed-list events), you can have a pretty crazy week. I will have 13 interviews in the span of 2 days, which is considered a pretty successful catch. I have a sense of what would be my ideal choices, and I know where I want to work given the people I have met. The banks have a sense of who their ideal candidates are too. If you are extended a summer offer, you are encouraged to then attend the 'sell' week that happens the following week. There, banks make the pitch to you as to why you should join them. Finally, at this point, the pressure is only on the banks to convince you to join them.

- The coming weeks are entirely dedicated to preparing. Until January 5th or so, I'll be focused on studying a guide recommended by our graduate finance club. It is 1000 pages of information on how to answer behavioral, technical, and fit questions typically used in a banking interview. I haven't read 1000 pages of anything for any class here at Stern yet. From January 5th through 12th, I'll be mock interviewing with a group of 5 other students to practice non-stop for the real thing. We do this to be ready for a range of questions the day of the interviews. Additionally, we do this to build up the endurance to get through tons of interviews in a short amount of time. Its amazing just how much time gets sucked up by recruiting.

- I got a call from one of the junior bankers I had an informational interview with, offering to help me out with the interview process. He communicated that one of the senior bankers was very impressed by my discussion with him at a closed-list event, and that it was what got me an interview spot. The junior banker said he would be open to assisting me any way he could with practicing. I'm really excited about this because this junior banker works in one of the top groups at one of my top 2 ideal banks to work for.

- The sell week ends by the 3rd full week of January. Class doesn't start again until February 1st, so there is a free week in between. If I get a summer offer from one of the banks, I have some fun ideas of where to travel during the free week. I'm really looking forward to traveling a ton during the remaining 1.5 years of my program. I'll never have this much time to do what I want again in my life (at least until I'm in my 50s most likely), so I might as well make the most of it.
 
19 days until my GMAT retest and I only started studying today. Did a math portion practice test and got 13/37.

I'm screwed, aren't I?

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You know, even though it wasn't required for my graduate school (they required the state teacher licensure tests instead), I should take the GMAT one of these days
just for fun >.>
 
19 days until my GMAT retest and I only started studying today. Did a math portion practice test and got 13/37.

I'm screwed, aren't I?
If you can study full-time every day for 8-10 hours a day you may be ok. If you have a job or other obligations that will not allow that, you might as well reschedule if you can.
 
No offence, but why would you start stidying for a retest 19 days before hand? Whats the point of even doing it if you care that little about it?

I care a lot but I couldn't get the time off work till now. We had a large scale move, year end, inventory, took forever before we finally completed it. It was supposed to be done first week of December and it wasn't done fully until end of December.

Now I can take as much time off as I want. Wondering if I should push my test date back or just go for it.

I work well under pressure but it's just frustrating to keep hitting these walls.

Though now I can study for six hours a day if I like.

I'm fine in the verbal portion but my math skills are terrible and I need more practice on the Integrated Reasoning.
 
Hey cool, didn't know there was a thread on this.

I'm looking into getting into a Master's in International Relations. Have been studying for the GRE, got some LORs lined up, etc. On Jan. 20 I'm taking a post-bacc class to pad my undergrad GPA, since that's probably going to be the weakest part of my application. I took a lot of electives and classes not related at all to what I ended up majoring in years before I switched majors, didn't get good grades in all of them (i.e. I majored in Public Policy and once took classes like anatomy, high-level physics, etc).

I have some lined up and have been writing up my essay application over winter break. Good times.
 
If you can study full-time every day for 8-10 hours a day you may be ok. If you have a job or other obligations that will not allow that, you might as well reschedule if you can.

I got that much time if I want it but I'd go insane.

Right now I've blocked out four hours a day for the next 18 days for this. Hope that's enough.

Whatever. I killed it in university and only studied... Maybe two days out of every month, including finals.

Cold comfort. I hope the pressure doesn't fail me now.
 
Took you 9 minutes to respond to that.
I'm disappointed.
You need to place your time and attention where it belongs - GAF!

Oh Terri. You'll always come number one in my heart.

Now, having said that, I'm shooting for 650 this time around. Pretty sure if I can get the math stuff down, I got a better than decent shot at that.

Problem isn't the math questions... it's just, following through. It's like I can make it 75% of the way through a problem and then I hit a wall and subsequently get a wrong answer.
 
I studied for two days for my first test and I got 510, so I learned my lesson there.
The official GMAT software you get when you register for the test has full tests which are virtually identical to the real test. It's a shame that you did an actual test after studying for two days instead of simply doing one of those practice tests. I took my first practice test a few days before taking the real test and my scores were identical.

Regarding your general plan, I spent three weeks studying for my first test while working full time and I got a 680. I then decided to retake it after I wasn't accepted into my first choice school. I'm working full time so the deffered start time wasn't a big deal. I studied for only roughly 3 weeks additional weeks as I didn't have much time between my rejection letter and the re-application deadline. I focused on drilling math problems as I main my problem the first time was the amount of time I spent per math problem. I felt much more prepared when I retook the test but I ended up with a 690... Only a ten point gain.

So, based on my experience, if you aren't studying for 3-6 months, 3 weeks is probably fine.
 
Oh Terri. You'll always come number one in my heart.

Now, having said that, I'm shooting for 650 this time around. Pretty sure if I can get the math stuff down, I got a better than decent shot at that.

Problem isn't the math questions... it's just, following through. It's like I can make it 75% of the way through a problem and then I hit a wall and subsequently get a wrong answer.
The official GMAT study guide has a ~30 page section that covers all of the math topics and question types on the exam. I spent about 5 days of my first 3 week segment going through that to fill in any gaps in my knowledge/memory. I would strongly recommend that you try going through that.
 
Achieved a distinction in my MSc Finance from the London School of Economics in July 2014.

Currently working in one of the largest investment banks making some ridiculous money. Hours are incredibly arduous though.

Also, I took GMAT and earned a score of 680 in January 2013; all I have to say is screw the sentence correction section.
 
The official GMAT software you get when you register for the test has full tests which are virtually identical to the real test. It's a shame that you did an actual test after studying for two days instead of simply doing one of those practice tests. I took my first practice test a few days before taking the real test and my scores were identical.

Regarding your general plan, I spent three weeks studying for my first test while working full time and I got a 680. I then decided to retake it after I wasn't accepted into my first choice school. I'm working full time so the deffered start time wasn't a big deal. I studied for only roughly 3 weeks additional weeks as I didn't have much time between my rejection letter and the re-application deadline. I focused on drilling math problems as I main my problem the first time was the amount of time I spent per math problem. I felt much more prepared when I retook the test but I ended up with a 690... Only a ten point gain.

So, based on my experience, if you aren't studying for 3-6 months, 3 weeks is probably fine.

Thanks. Makes me feel a little better.

The official GMAT study guide has a ~30 page section that covers all of the math topics and question types on the exam. I spent about 5 days of my first 3 week segment going through that to fill in any gaps in my knowledge/memory. I would strongly recommend that you try going through that.

Will do.
 
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