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I'm starting the final year of my master's next week, and am thinking about applying for a few postgraduate spots (just to give myself some more options). Right now, most listings are starting this October, so I guess I'll have to wait another month or two. I'm supposed to get 2 academic references, but I'm not sure who to go to for those. I was thinking to ask my project supervisor and a lecturer for one of my smaller classes.

Generally if you can get letters from tenured profs rather than lecturers, they're going to have more weight... but you also need to weigh that against the person's ability to write you a letter that makes you stand out from the crowd. Your supervisor should absolutely be one--it's suspicious if they're not, really, but for the second I'd try to find a full prof rather than just a lecturer.
 
Generally if you can get letters from tenured profs rather than lecturers, they're going to have more weight... but you also need to weigh that against the person's ability to write you a letter that makes you stand out from the crowd. Your supervisor should absolutely be one--it's suspicious if they're not, really, but for the second I'd try to find a full prof rather than just a lecturer.

Thanks for the advice. We actually have a mix of post-doctoral research assistants / fellows and tenured professors teaching lecture courses, though the latter group tends to get the majority of master-level courses. In that sense, the two aren't really mutually exclusive.

Tbh, I'm tempted to ask our head of school, who is a really great and approachable guy. His word would carry a lot of weight, but I'm not sure how much of a rapport I should have with the person writing the recommendation. I've taken courses he teaches, and received a commendation from him in third year for being at the top of my class, but that's about it.

Since my project last year involved interviewing newer members of our academic staff, I had much more of an exchange with some of those, and a number of them are teaching courses I'm taking this year, which would provide an opportunity for further exposure. Above all, I want to avoid getting a template, so I feel the person writing it should know me beyond just my academic record and answering questions in a large class.
 
Somewhat out of bounds of the thread but I didn't see another to ask in. For anyone who has a degree in physics or engineering of some sort would you recommend getting a bachelor's degree in physics and then a master's in either aerospace or mechanical engineering? UT Austin only accepts transfers to their engineering programs in the fall and I'll be a few classes behind in March 2016 when transfer transcripts are due. So I might end up having to wait until Spring 2017 to transfer for physics or Fall 2017 for aerospace and I don't want to get that far behind given I'm already playing catch up due to switching majors.

Have talked to a few people who know people who did physics and then got a master's in an engineering field but with little detail. Obviously this is something I'll go up to the school's advisers to talk about in more detail but I was just wondering whether anyone had a similar schooling path and could offer advice. People who go or went to UT Austin would be particularly helpful but general advice is great too.

Thanks!
 
Somewhat out of bounds of the thread but I didn't see another to ask in. For anyone who has a degree in physics or engineering of some sort would you recommend getting a bachelor's degree in physics and then a master's in either aerospace or mechanical engineering? UT Austin only accepts transfers to their engineering programs in the fall and I'll be a few classes behind in March 2016 when transfer transcripts are due. So I might end up having to wait until Spring 2017 to transfer for physics or Fall 2017 for aerospace and I don't want to get that far behind given I'm already playing catch up due to switching majors.

Have talked to a few people who know people who did physics and then got a master's in an engineering field but with little detail. Obviously this is something I'll go up to the school's advisers to talk about in more detail but I was just wondering whether anyone had a similar schooling path and could offer advice. People who go or went to UT Austin would be particularly helpful but general advice is great too.

Thanks!

I don't have experience in those fields, but I think you've left out key information for people to help you; what do you want to do when you graduate?
 
I don't have experience in those fields, but I think you've left out key information for people to help you; what do you want to do when you graduate?
I'm still early enough in the courses that it's difficult to pinpoint that exactly. The ideal at the moment is to work with spacecraft as that's something that interests me but given I'm only up to Calculus 2 and the first of two basic physics classes(that are offered at the 2 year level) it's hard to say whether that's something I'm prepared to handle. I just know that rockets/space travel are something I'm interested in on a very basic level and I'm finding physics to be an enjoyable class so I would like to steer myself in that direction while considering my options. Aerospace Engineering and physics have the exact same transfer requirements outside of the latter requiring Linear Algebra and the former two drafting courses. Mechanical engineering has been recommended to me as well due to being more generalized. This of course something that I am going to spend a lot of time thinking about, but I was just wondering whether people here had explored similar paths.

It's not like nursing where I could easily shadow people in preparation of my future career.
 
Are there any epidemiologists or anyone going through a graduate level curriculum? Been looking at that as a possible career after I finish my time with Peace Corps. My major was in a soft science, with a small dabbling into psychological statistics. I wouldn't enter graduate school until 2017 (2018 if I can manage to secure a data analytical position as a third year PCV). I would love to hear some advice concerning my prospects.
 
Cool! Can you tell us more about it? What was the premise of your thesis?

The design of virtual space was the center of the piece. Also the question if visual communication needs to change in the three dimensional virtual space and if it does how. I also did an experience based on my research for the Rift.
 
Hi Gaf! I am starting my masters in biology (germany) next month and I have to pick three focus areas.
The choices are:
- Biochemistry and Cell Biology
- Genetics
- Medical Biology
- Microbiology
- Ecology
- Botanic
- Zoology
Here is a detailed list (in germany) of the courses in each area:
LINK

Which of these areas will give me the best job prospects? What skills are required in the medical / biotechnological industry?
 
Hi Gaf! I am starting my masters in biology (germany) next month and I have to pick three focus areas.
The choices are:
- Biochemistry and Cell Biology
- Genetics
- Medical Biology
- Microbiology
- Ecology
- Botanic
- Zoology
Here is a detailed list (in germany) of the courses in each area:
LINK

Which of these areas will give me the best job prospects? What skills are required in the medical / biotechnological industry?

I'm working on my PhD right now in the US. I'm officially getting my degree in Food Microbiology, but my research is more in the area of biotechnology. Anyway, I'd say that Microbiology, Genetics, and Biochemistry/Cell Biology are all necessary for the biotechnology industry. I think BCB is probably the best of those though, as microbiology and genetics can both deviate into less-applied areas that I don't feel translate as well into the biotechnology industry.

Are you wanting to be a researcher/scientist in the medical biotech industry?
 
I'm working on my PhD right now in the US. I'm officially getting my degree in Food Microbiology, but my research is more in the area of biotechnology. Anyway, I'd say that Microbiology, Genetics, and Biochemistry/Cell Biology are all necessary for the biotechnology industry. I think BCB is probably the best of those though, as microbiology and genetics can both deviate into less-applied areas that I don't feel translate as well into the biotechnology industry.

Are you wanting to be a researcher/scientist in the medical biotech industry?

Not necessarily. I just have a huge interest in molecular biology. My current problem is, that I don't really know what jobs are available for me after I complete my masters / phd. You always hear about the bleak job prospects for biologists.
So the decision is basically between dropping genetics or dropping medical biology.
 
I think job prospects for biologists are tough if they're "just" classic biologists. These days, you need to be able to work with molecular biology tools if you want to have an easier time as a biologist. Metabolic engineering and synthetic biology are only going to get bigger, in my opinion, so if you're a biologist with skills in those areas, you'll probably be able to find work as a scientist.

Jobs available to someone with a molecular biology background could be any of the following:

Industrial (scientist, editor for a journal/publishing group)
Government (scientist, policy-maker, etc)
Academia (research professor, tenure-track professor)

I'm sure there are more, but it's hard for me to see any that don't involve research in some fashion. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll be doing bench work, but you'll either be doing bench work or overseeing a group and organizing their day-to-day and long-term projects.
 
Not necessarily. I just have a huge interest in molecular biology. My current problem is, that I don't really know what jobs are available for me after I complete my masters / phd. You always hear about the bleak job prospects for biologists.
So the decision is basically between dropping genetics or dropping medical biology.

Bleak job prospects for biologists? Where, are you sure? Ive been job searching for the past few months (finishing with a PhD in it Spring or Summer) and theres tons of jobs for one with biological sciences degree with a focus in molecular biology and depending on what you actually do for a dissertation project in a PhD you can even reach out beyond molecular biology and get something in immunology, chemistry, biochemistry, protein work, alternative energy research, computational stuff (tech companies seem interested in applying computation stuff and biology to medicine etc).

I would definitely just spend time searching listings and more and not follow people saying bleak job prospects for biologists. Ive not seen anyone make that claim unless their focused narrowly on say stream biology.

On USAjobs there are always new alerts of jobs for biologists, microbiologists, and both in numerous departments from agricultural to even medicine.
 
Hey guys. I want to ask for your opinion for something kinda off-topic but I would prefer to listen to the opinions of the US MBA/MSc crowd in this forum.

I am European and I have lived there my entire life so far. I already have an MSc in Finance and I work for a tech company in a finance-related position (2 years of work experience there - 3 in total).

My job could give me the opportunity to move to the US during the next year and I am considering this option, partially because it's a chance to try something different for at least 2-3 years and partially because it could also lead me to a good long-term plan, so something like 1 year of work there, followed by an MBA and then by getting a better job.

The MBA is not the main point at the moment, but it's something that could be part of the greater plan.

What's troubling me is the place that I should choose to move. Most of the finance positions within the company are in Armonk and Somers NY and the only other location that seems interesting to me is the Research Triangle Park in NC.

The places in NY don't seem interesting at all. Correct me if I am mistaken but life should be kinda terrible around there and rents in Armonk at least appear to be pretty high. The only reason to move there is the fact that I will be close to NYC so maybe in 1 year max. I will be able to get a job there. I also have some family in NYC and I know many people in general so finding affordable housing (for NYC standards at least) shouldn't be that hard.
If I make it to NYC there are more than a few good universities there for an MBA apparently.

In comparison at least, RTP in North Carolina seems to be much more interesting after everything that I have read thus far. Life sounds to be more balanced, and as several tech companies are located there I would expect to more easily find some people to hang out with. There will also be many career opportunities in the area, and Duke is also there in case that I will follow the MBA route.
It's supposed to be one of the good places to move to, but if it's good only based on some metrics that don't even matter to me (e.g. whether it's a good place to raise kids) I don't know if I should care, as I want to listen to the opinions of people like me and not of people in their 40-50s with families etc.

I am 28 and single by the way. Any opinions on where to focus between those places in NY and RTP in NC? Can RTP be a good place to move for someone who wants to have enough choices when it comes to going out? I think that this is out of the question for places like Somers/Armonk but do you think that going there could be better in comparison in the mid-term? What I mean is going there and leaving more or less ASAP (ok after a year or so) in order to end-up in NYC with a different job.

Any advice will be more than welcome!
 
Id take Duke a and the North Carolina area. Theres lots of universities and upper level type of institutions in the RTP area as well as lots of (lots of) companies there is lots of stuff to do in these areas.

Theres lots of other places in the US than New York and that area of North Carolina is great (applied to several government places there, also I spend lots of time in Duke as bro is in graduate school there, and I visit for science conferences at the other schools in the area). Though Ive only spent time in the downtown areas of these cities.
 
I just started my MSc in Physical Geography at Queens University in Canada this September. Studying vegetation expansion in the Arctic.

I was pretty nervous coming in but not much has happened so far honestly. I only have to take a few classes so most of the day I am in the lab reading up on journal articles and that sort of thing. My supervisor bought me a computer for my lab station and its a beast too, much better machine than I expected haha. Excited for the summer when I get to head up north and do field work!

Its have enjoyed my time so far but it has been a little tough since I am pretty young (just graduated from undergrad in June) and most of my lab mates are in a older and some of even engaged/married. Been looking for a friend group more my age and playing intramural sports has helped I suppose!

Do you guys have any tips? Its honestly been a bit stressful because everything is so less structured then undergrad. I have been treating it like a job and spending most of the day in the my lab but its kind of scary that I don't even know exactly what I am suppose to do yet. I'm still in the stage where I am looking of papers and gaining knowledge about methods and that sort of thing. Also at this early stage a thesis seems like such a monumental undertaking! Just have to break down into many small pieces and it doesn't seem so long I guess!
 
Is this sarcasm :(

i dont assume so. i got my mba a couple of years ago and myself and most of the people i know are already beyond that income level. im happy with the decision.

Short update:

I got a full-time offer for the BB IBank I was interning at over the summer. Media & Telecom investment banking. I'll throw in more details later, but I'm pretty happy about it. Makes the coming 2nd year of the MBA a non-stop vacation.

congrats. man, going back to school with a job made for a nice second year of bschool.
 
I just started my MSc in Physical Geography at Queens University in Canada this September. Studying vegetation expansion in the Arctic.

I was pretty nervous coming in but not much has happened so far honestly. I only have to take a few classes so most of the day I am in the lab reading up on journal articles and that sort of thing. My supervisor bought me a computer for my lab station and its a beast too, much better machine than I expected haha. Excited for the summer when I get to head up north and do field work!

Its have enjoyed my time so far but it has been a little tough since I am pretty young (just graduated from undergrad in June) and most of my lab mates are in a older and some of even engaged/married. Been looking for a friend group more my age and playing intramural sports has helped I suppose!

Queens is cool. Physical Geography is cool. Canada is cool!

Do you guys have any tips? Its honestly been a bit stressful because everything is so less structured then undergrad. I have been treating it like a job and spending most of the day in the my lab but its kind of scary that I don't even know exactly what I am suppose to do yet. I'm still in the stage where I am looking of papers and gaining knowledge about methods and that sort of thing. Also at this early stage a thesis seems like such a monumental undertaking! Just have to break down into many small pieces and it doesn't seem so long I guess!

Graduate work is primarily about transitioning from being a consumer of knowledge (where you learn facts and definitions) to being a producer of knowledge. Producing is about understanding how theories and authors in the field fit together and build on one another, learning research methods, finding a problem that is ripe for exploration, and then getting leverage on it. Reading those papers is important. If at the end of your program you can read papers and understand their methods well and have a sense of who some of the major authors are in your field, you're doing great.

Geography is also a huge and weird field, because some programs in Geography are closer to natural sciences (physical geography), some closer to social sciences (political-economic geography), some closer to sociology-anthropology (cultural geography), and then you add in GIS and geostatistics and you're closer to math. It's a huge field. That can be a little scary. While you are emphasizing and working on physical geography, you shouldn't forget about the rest. Interdisciplinarity is useful. As a non-geographer, I loooooved the GIS training I got. I bang out choropleths like it's no one's business for basically any project I do. They look great, people love them, they're fun to do. It's also way easier to learn methods when you're in grad school than later in life (especially easier to learn when you're not bogged down booking trips to your field sites and sleeping in a tent!), so as much research design and statistical analysis training you can do now will definitely be worth it, and I bet your supervisors would agree.

Don't worry about the thesis. If you do something every day, you'll get there. People get screwed when they start spending days, weeks, and months without making progress. Do something every day. Set a schedule for your next week or so, and hold yourself accountable for goals. The lack of structure means you need to impose structure. When I did my master's degree, the hardest part for me was after all of my courses, getting the motivation to get started on my thesis. I regret some of the time I wasted.

Most importantly, make connections with profs. #1 being your supervisor, but other profs too. If you're doing a thesis MSc, you'll need a committee. If you want to do a PhD later, you'll need recommendations. And it's OK to change your topic after you enter, but you'll never know that if you don't meet with other profs and check out the kind of work they do.

As for the age thing, know that every 21-22 year old starting a Master's degree feels that way... and every 40 year old in the same place feels the opposite, like their age is alienating them. They've been out of school for a while, they're rusty when it comes to reading and studying, they are worried their mind isn't as agile as younger students. I was very young when I started undergrad and the guy sitting next to me in my first class had sons older than I was. I'm not ancient now, but I'm older than most of my cohort. It's a weird feeling on both sides. The one constant in grad school is imposter syndrome: Why am I here? Am I good enough? Everyone else is smarter than me! How do they know so much? Should I know what the hell they're talking about? No one likes me. I'm not getting anything done. Be honest when you feel that way and talk to others, and they'll tell you they feel that way too sometimes. You'll get through it.

In my experience the best way to socialize with people is through classes. If not through class, then go to job talks or visiting speakers in your department and sit near people from your classes. Don't be afraid to strike up a conversation with people or ask if they want to get lunch or a beer. If you don't drink... well, I'm not saying you should, but you might consider that being willing to "get a beer" can be valuable socially. No one is asking you to get plastered. Show interest in other people's work and topics, beyond just the people in the lab with you.

Good luck. Post pictures here when you start your field work, northern Canada is beautiful.
 
So firms are interviewing and I got an interview with Deloitte for a Tax Consultant position. Can anyone here tell me a little bit more about Deloitte, maybe what they value? Personality (outgoing?). Super professional? Friendly? etc.

I don't know much about Deloitte and KPMG because I only really talked to EY & PwC. Someone help :o?

Thanks :)

I need to be a bit vague to hide which I work for but I think any detective could take a good guess after all these years of dancing around it. Deloitte is essentially tied with EY for second best to work for, but, unlike EY, Deloitte is much more volatile depending on service line and location. EY has more of a relaxed approach to everything while Deloitte is much more robotic and pragmatic. People will always note 'culture' as the reason to choose a big4 and Dnt can have the absolute worst if your luck is bad enough. For Dnt I'd go more professional than bubbly, but with a bit of sarcastic wit. Their best thing by far is DU, which is seriously above all the others.

Kpmg is your 'shit, I have nothing left but this' card.
 
Queens is cool. Physical Geography is cool. Canada is cool!



Graduate work is primarily about transitioning from being a consumer of knowledge (where you learn facts and definitions) to being a producer of knowledge. Producing is about understanding how theories and authors in the field fit together and build on one another, learning research methods, finding a problem that is ripe for exploration, and then getting leverage on it. Reading those papers is important. If at the end of your program you can read papers and understand their methods well and have a sense of who some of the major authors are in your field, you're doing great.

Geography is also a huge and weird field, because some programs in Geography are closer to natural sciences (physical geography), some closer to social sciences (political-economic geography), some closer to sociology-anthropology (cultural geography), and then you add in GIS and geostatistics and you're closer to math. It's a huge field. That can be a little scary. While you are emphasizing and working on physical geography, you shouldn't forget about the rest. Interdisciplinarity is useful. As a non-geographer, I loooooved the GIS training I got. I bang out choropleths like it's no one's business for basically any project I do. They look great, people love them, they're fun to do. It's also way easier to learn methods when you're in grad school than later in life (especially easier to learn when you're not bogged down booking trips to your field sites and sleeping in a tent!), so as much research design and statistical analysis training you can do now will definitely be worth it, and I bet your supervisors would agree.

Don't worry about the thesis. If you do something every day, you'll get there. People get screwed when they start spending days, weeks, and months without making progress. Do something every day. Set a schedule for your next week or so, and hold yourself accountable for goals. The lack of structure means you need to impose structure. When I did my master's degree, the hardest part for me was after all of my courses, getting the motivation to get started on my thesis. I regret some of the time I wasted.

Most importantly, make connections with profs. #1 being your supervisor, but other profs too. If you're doing a thesis MSc, you'll need a committee. If you want to do a PhD later, you'll need recommendations. And it's OK to change your topic after you enter, but you'll never know that if you don't meet with other profs and check out the kind of work they do.

As for the age thing, know that every 21-22 year old starting a Master's degree feels that way... and every 40 year old in the same place feels the opposite, like their age is alienating them. They've been out of school for a while, they're rusty when it comes to reading and studying, they are worried their mind isn't as agile as younger students. I was very young when I started undergrad and the guy sitting next to me in my first class had sons older than I was. I'm not ancient now, but I'm older than most of my cohort. It's a weird feeling on both sides. The one constant in grad school is imposter syndrome: Why am I here? Am I good enough? Everyone else is smarter than me! How do they know so much? Should I know what the hell they're talking about? No one likes me. I'm not getting anything done. Be honest when you feel that way and talk to others, and they'll tell you they feel that way too sometimes. You'll get through it.

In my experience the best way to socialize with people is through classes. If not through class, then go to job talks or visiting speakers in your department and sit near people from your classes. Don't be afraid to strike up a conversation with people or ask if they want to get lunch or a beer. If you don't drink... well, I'm not saying you should, but you might consider that being willing to "get a beer" can be valuable socially. No one is asking you to get plastered. Show interest in other people's work and topics, beyond just the people in the lab with you.

Good luck. Post pictures here when you start your field work, northern Canada is beautiful.

Hey thanks so much for this post! Some of those questions you asked near the end of your post are some of the same questions I have been asking myself so it is good to know that I am not alone!

I know what you mean about geography being a broad field. One of the things I was nervous about coming in to grad school was that I was moving from a BA (environmental geography) to an MSc. But I have a pretty strong GIS background so that is helpful. Just need to brush up on my statistics I think!

I am not against drinking, no. One of the things that has been weird so far actually is the fact that grad students seem to have a different night life schedule then undergrads. As an undergrad I remember going out at like 10pm and not coming back until late. The few times I have gone out for drinks as a grad student we have gone out around 7-8pm and I have been home before midnight. It is funny because I live just on the edge of the "student ghetto" so I hear all the undergrads partying late in to the night. All part of growing up I suppose!

But thanks again for the post! Ill be sure to post more in the future.
 
Hey guys. I want to ask for your opinion for something kinda off-topic but I would prefer to listen to the opinions of the US MBA/MSc crowd in this forum.

I am European and I have lived there my entire life so far. I already have an MSc in Finance and I work for a tech company in a finance-related position (2 years of work experience there - 3 in total).

My job could give me the opportunity to move to the US during the next year and I am considering this option, partially because it's a chance to try something different for at least 2-3 years and partially because it could also lead me to a good long-term plan, so something like 1 year of work there, followed by an MBA and then by getting a better job.

The MBA is not the main point at the moment, but it's something that could be part of the greater plan.

What's troubling me is the place that I should choose to move. Most of the finance positions within the company are in Armonk and Somers NY and the only other location that seems interesting to me is the Research Triangle Park in NC.

The places in NY don't seem interesting at all. Correct me if I am mistaken but life should be kinda terrible around there and rents in Armonk at least appear to be pretty high. The only reason to move there is the fact that I will be close to NYC so maybe in 1 year max. I will be able to get a job there. I also have some family in NYC and I know many people in general so finding affordable housing (for NYC standards at least) shouldn't be that hard.
If I make it to NYC there are more than a few good universities there for an MBA apparently.

In comparison at least, RTP in North Carolina seems to be much more interesting after everything that I have read thus far. Life sounds to be more balanced, and as several tech companies are located there I would expect to more easily find some people to hang out with. There will also be many career opportunities in the area, and Duke is also there in case that I will follow the MBA route.
It's supposed to be one of the good places to move to, but if it's good only based on some metrics that don't even matter to me (e.g. whether it's a good place to raise kids) I don't know if I should care, as I want to listen to the opinions of people like me and not of people in their 40-50s with families etc.

I am 28 and single by the way. Any opinions on where to focus between those places in NY and RTP in NC? Can RTP be a good place to move for someone who wants to have enough choices when it comes to going out? I think that this is out of the question for places like Somers/Armonk but do you think that going there could be better in comparison in the mid-term? What I mean is going there and leaving more or less ASAP (ok after a year or so) in order to end-up in NYC with a different job.

Any advice will be more than welcome!

Are you confident that you can get in to a top tier MBA program? There's nothing wrong with Research Triangle, North Carolina but the experience would be vastly different than New York. Duke is a great program but if for some reason you can't get in, you would be stuck down there. Raleigh/Durham are small towns with pretty decent weather and low cost of living but not a whole lot going on (unless you're a student at Duke). North Carolina in general is a fast growing area for tech companies, but I believe government policies have hindered it a bit. It's filled with nice people, and good southern restaurants, but be prepared for conservative types and not a huge atmosphere for drinking/partying.

I also don't see what the problem would be Armonk. Based off the tone of your post it already seems like you want to go to NYC so this seems like a no brainer. Being ~1 hour out of Manhatten is not that big of a deal, if you think rent is high in Armonk just wait until you want to move to one of the Burroughs. You are within 1 hour driving distance of literally anything in the world. Culture, food, people, clubs, activities, sports, etc., etc. The downside? Cost. Plus for school purposes you have NYU for MBA (both full time and part time), Columbia, and Yale all relatively close (again if you can get into them).

They are both great opportunities, and experiences that would be worth pursuing in my opinion.
 
Yeah I sort of got that impression.. which is why I'm stunned Deloitte is even giving me an interview. I'm the English major sorority girl turned tax professional... and the folks at E&Y seem to like me for that but I didn't even bother with Deloitte. I'll don't know if I can pull off sarcastic wit, but I'll definitely be more pragmatic :).

& lol, I didn't think I had a chance at KPMG either so I didn't bother but I actually just found out I'm also getting an interview with them. ....at this rate I might be able to interview with all 4 (!!!!), and while I think PwC and EY here in so-cal tend to be... friendlier/perkier... I'm not sure what KPMG is like either.

Why is KPMG like that? Do you have any recommendation for them too?

& I won't ask you who you work for, but I'm curious.. why did you work choose them? Why'd you choose your field? What do you like about it :D? Why did you stay?


Is the work-life balance really nonexistent? Is it true I won't see my partner for months at a time?

(Last question I swear <3) Is everyone there really smart? I'm afraid I won't belong... honestly, not trying to downplay myself, but I sometimes really feel like there are SO many people out there so much smarter/that have better memory.. and I really don't want to go somewhere that I can't contribute very much. I never expect to be the "smartest one in the room," but I'm a little afraid that at any of the Big4, I'll be like... dead last, by five laps.

If you get a chance with all four that's the best situation as you can be invited to all of their super days and feel out their offices and people. I would definitely go with PWC or EY then. I don't know what offices you're looking at but all of the San Fran offices are great while the SD offices are a much different vibe.

Kpmg is a joke. It's really the big 3. But if you have to, take them, because any one of the four on a resume is essentially instant gold in this industry. Trust me.

I've been at mine for over 10 years now and it was a much different set of circumstances and reasons for why I chose mine. I worked the first ~8 years overseas with them before I came back on an international rotation to NYC. I'm a senior manager in tax but I'm in a very specific service line so not the vanilla provision/compliance/audit that you're applying for. I chose it/stayed so long because I was making six figures by the time I was 25 (very specific to my circumstances, not the norm at all) and will be making partner next year meaning I'll be a millionaire not just in net worth but income as well. It's just such a.. what's the word.. steady? industry in that (outside of shit like 2007-8) the climb is very linear and the raises/promotions are where they should be. It's predictable and consistent, which some people enjoy in their careers.

Work-life balance from a staff perspective depends completely on your office, service line, and clients. As I'm sure you know, tax can be slightly better than assurance when it comes to busy seasons and client deliverables, but it can be just as brutal if you get a very specific line (EY's FSO for example) or a specific client (any big name you can think of). There are so many variables that it's hard to say if you're one of the "lucky" or "unlucky" ones but the truth is you work at big4. For the first ~2 years before you hit senior (3 at pwc) it's really about building a personal brand. Can you go home at 5 some days? Yes. Will people notice? Yes. When you've built a reputation and your work speaks for itself, you can go home at noon and no one would give a shit. But that's because you've earned it. This concept is really hard for young new graduates to understand. I just helped with campus interviews last week and you can tell how utterly clueless they are about what to expect and how to conduct themselves in this kind of corporate environment.

That being said, if you do get on some shitty client, yes, it's possible you will go to the client by 9am, leave around 11, go to bed, wake up and repeat. Does it last forever? No. Is it worth the "torture"? Honestly, it depends on your career aspirations. Getting to senior and cashing out will net you a decent job in private. Getting to manager is a much better ticket. Getting to SM/P is essentially writing your own ticket to anywhere. True story - I have a colleague I've known for years who hit partner this year. 16 years. He quit and went to be a controller at a private company just this past August. Finally hit partner and now he knows he can do whatever he wants wherever he wants. So to him it wasn't about being a big4 partner.


The average person at a big4 is smart, sure, but you have to realize the majority of new hires are 22 year old morons. Kids. Them being slightly more book smart than you is immediately trumped if you bring any type of maturity, life experience, and common sense to the table. And no matter how book smart anyone is, no one comes into big4 knowing even 1% of what they need to know. Everything you're learning right now in your classes you will never see in that form inside these walls.
 
If you're good looking that will do fine. Most incoming classes are filled with model types.
 
I'm starting an MSc tomorrow!
2 years of evening classes, TBH the whole thing has been a bit weird with the admin stuff and am not officially enrolled, and I still haven't chosen my optional modules, but my core module class starts tomorrow.

Pretty excited, but also, am aware of the sheer amount of reading neding to take place ughhhhh
 
Just finished Information Science MA. PhD time now.

Some paper I wrote was just accepted for a conference / Springer LNCS publication, but I really hate presenting so I don't want to go :(

But good for academics at least. I think the PhD has some sort of soft-requirement of getting published in x amount of journals before you can complete it.
 
If you're good looking that will do fine. Most incoming classes are filled with model types.

But watch out, Big 4 have shitty eating habits. If you're not careful you will leave 3 years later 20 pounds heavier. Do not fall into the habit of ordering the same garbage as everyone else.
 
Id take Duke a and the North Carolina area. Theres lots of universities and upper level type of institutions in the RTP area as well as lots of (lots of) companies there is lots of stuff to do in these areas.

Theres lots of other places in the US than New York and that area of North Carolina is great (applied to several government places there, also I spend lots of time in Duke as bro is in graduate school there, and I visit for science conferences at the other schools in the area). Though Ive only spent time in the downtown areas of these cities.

Cool, thanks for the feedback :).

Are you confident that you can get in to a top tier MBA program? There's nothing wrong with Research Triangle, North Carolina but the experience would be vastly different than New York. Duke is a great program but if for some reason you can't get in, you would be stuck down there. Raleigh/Durham are small towns with pretty decent weather and low cost of living but not a whole lot going on (unless you're a student at Duke). North Carolina in general is a fast growing area for tech companies, but I believe government policies have hindered it a bit. It's filled with nice people, and good southern restaurants, but be prepared for conservative types and not a huge atmosphere for drinking/partying.

I also don't see what the problem would be Armonk. Based off the tone of your post it already seems like you want to go to NYC so this seems like a no brainer. Being ~1 hour out of Manhatten is not that big of a deal, if you think rent is high in Armonk just wait until you want to move to one of the Burroughs. You are within 1 hour driving distance of literally anything in the world. Culture, food, people, clubs, activities, sports, etc., etc. The downside? Cost. Plus for school purposes you have NYU for MBA (both full time and part time), Columbia, and Yale all relatively close (again if you can get into them).

They are both great opportunities, and experiences that would be worth pursuing in my opinion.

First of all thanks for the detailed reply.
To start from the basics the MBA part is not a priority for me, but it is a possible scenario that I would consider in 2-3 years from now. My decision though won't be taken based on this.

I know what NYC can offer me as I am quite familiar with it but I am not familiar with places like Armonk. Comparing it to RTP I think that the cost of living in Armonk will be much higher (due to housing mostly) and as we 're talking about the same company anyway I hope that the salaries are being adjusted based on the location.

Either way we 're talking about a place with no social life, right? So my only choice will be going down to NYC when I can, probably Fridays and weekends. Coming from Europe this sounds for me quite painful. Driving for 60 minutes sounds a lot and probably paying for parking will make it expensive, besides time-consuming. I can see that it takes around the same time with a train to Grand Central Terminal but this also sounds very expensive (around $20-25 to travel both ways each time). Again this might be normal for some people, but it sounds way too expensive for me.

What I want to confirm from this discussion with someone who knows a few things about those places is that a) Armonk is quite expensive for a place which feels like it's in the middle of nowhere and b) that there's more or less nothing going on there so NYC is the only option when it comes to going out. If this is the case, then I can go through this for some time, but the only reason that I would do this would be to pursue a different job within NYC, as being close by should make it more feasible.

I am not worried about the cost of living in NYC because I know what to expect and I know that in the "worst-case" scenario I can get a decent flat in Brooklyn for approx $1.2k from people that I already know (friends / relatives etc).

In RTP I know that life won't be crazy or anything, but at least I believe that it will be at least good. I would expect a more balanced life, reasonable costs and normal driving times to go to work or anywhere out at night. Better weather, better houses and hopefully enough places to keep me busy. I don't know what to expect from the city centers there in places like Durham or Raleigh though. I hope that there are many places gathered close by (something that feels like a proper commercial center) and that it won't be just scattered shops / restaurants / malls where you will always have to drive to go from one place to another like in some places in the US where I have been to.

I also don't know how well the socializing part will go. My only circle will be people from my job and I don't know what I should expect (college graduates from local universities, or mostly older people with families etc). If you 're saying that locals are on the conservative side I can't say that it's good or anything but I also don't know how it is around there when it comes to the people who work there (should I expect great diversity or mostly local people)?

I 'll have to focus on one of those place as I will start applying before the end of the year, so if anyone else wants to share his/her opinion, please feel free to.
 
Could anyone recommend me any resources about profitable Master Degrees? I was thinking about getting my Master's, but I don't want to end up coming out with more debt and still not being able to find a job. My anger if that were to happen would be immense.
 
Could anyone recommend me any resources about profitable Master Degrees? I was thinking about getting my Master's, but I don't want to end up coming out with more debt and still not being able to find a job. My anger if that were to happen would be immense.

... what's your undergraduate degree in? What are you trying to get a job as? :p
 
Just finished Information Science MA. PhD time now.

Some paper I wrote was just accepted for a conference / Springer LNCS publication, but I really hate presenting so I don't want to go :(

But good for academics at least. I think the PhD has some sort of soft-requirement of getting published in x amount of journals before you can complete it.

Varies from country to country and discipline to discipline.

My country is like: 3 first author papers in 3-4 years.

America is like: 1 first author paper in 5-6 years. Goddamn softies.
 
... what's your undergraduate degree in? What are you trying to get a job as? :p
Media Studies and I just want a good paying job until I can build up my true aspirations in game development which I knew even before I got out of the community college, that a degree is not that important since developers I emailed just said get a BA in something.

I went with accounting for the chance to get in the field; maybe computer science or information technology would be okay (or you could go to one of those boot camps).

TBH I'd avoid any humanities degree. Sorry, but it's just not profitable AFAIK.

Why do you want to get a MS though? Did you pick an unprofitable BA (like me lol)?

I want to get one because I want to get a job and a good one at that. Everyone in my family who's making good money have Masters. I was considering computer science when I was at the community college, but I am terrible at science. I got a D in C++, failed Physics my first time, and only made a C in Astronomy because my instructor saw how hard I was working. I failed every exam.
 
Varies from country to country and discipline to discipline.

My country is like: 3 first author papers in 3-4 years.

America is like: 1 first author paper in 5-6 years. Goddamn softies.

Many of the programs at my US university are 3, including our version of info science.
 
Media Studies and I just want a good paying job until I can build up my true aspirations in game development which I knew even before I got out of the community college, that a degree is not that important since developers I emailed just said get a BA in something.

I want to get one because I want to get a job and a good one at that. Everyone in my family who's making good money have Masters. I was considering computer science when I was at the community college, but I am terrible at science. I got a D in C++, failed Physics my first time, and only made a C in Astronomy because my instructor saw how hard I was working. I failed every exam.

It feels like you haven't quite figured out what you want to do. You have an undergrad degree in something that might as well be "generic BA". You want to get a job in game development (as what? A writer? Designer? Programmer? Artist?). You are asking if taking a "generic Master's" is going to get you a good job. It's not really clear what you are trying to accomplish. I certainly don't think you can do a CS MSc if you're claiming you had difficulty with the basics.
 
I know quite sure what I want to do, more than anyone else in the universe, but I didn't want give you all the details that I'm tired of repeating several times over the years. That's a lot of shit to write out numerous times and I know a lot of people ain't trying to read all that either.

I didn't say a generic Master's I was asking about resources so I can infer for myself what would be suitable for me while also being profitable.
 
I know quite sure what I want to do, more than anyone else in the universe, but I didn't want give you all the details that I'm tired of repeating several times over the years. That's a lot of shit to write out numerous times and I know a lot of people ain't trying to read all that either.

I didn't say a generic Master's I was asking about resources so I can infer for myself what would be suitable for me while also being profitable.

I'm not sure there are resources that will tell you about the profitability of a Master's degree with any specificity in part because it would be difficult to estimate. You might be able to find the average salary of someone with such a degree, but if there's a selection effect (i.e. mid-career teachers generally do a coursework M.Ed.) then your estimates are going to be higher inaccurate for the case of being someone trying to get their first job in a career.

My intuition would be that professional degrees like MBAs and M.Engs and MPPs are almost all profitable provided you take advantage of the networking and work in the discipline. I suspect that MFAs probably are not profitable (then again, if you're going into Fine Arts, you're probably okay with being broke) but are useful for networking and craft. My sense would be that you should pretty much never do an unfunded MA or MSc unless you have the savings to pay for it. Both are vastly more useful as stepping stones to a PhD than standalone. An MSc might help you get jobs in certain kinds of labs. There are also some degrees like Psychology where practitioners often have Master's level degrees and not doctorates. I suspect there are also differences between the perception of things like coursework degrees, which are basically for people trying to advance in their career, and thesis-oriented degrees, which are for people attempting to do research and stay in the academic stream.

In Game Development, it seems to me like formal education is slightly less useful than assembling a portfolio and gaining experience. The route to being a senior dev seems to mostly be predicated in being a junior dev and doing solid work. I don't get the impression that a lot of programmers start out as CS researchers and transfer in. I suspect those who do are largely people from Top 10 programs (you could imagine why hiring a Carnegie Mellon MSc. in Comp Sci for an AI position might be useful--but it's not clear to me why, say, you'd hire a Morehead State University grad for the same position).

Good luck finding the resources you'd like. :)
 
I earned an M.A. in English Rhetoric and Composition a bit over eight years ago, but there aren't many of those out there comparative to the lit M.A.s and PhDs.
 
Alright, so a friend and I keep a list of obscure journals we'd love to publish in someday. Why? Because 1) we expect to accumulate some extremely small and otherwise useless data that might serve some use somewhere and 2) we like to share our publications with our friends on Facebook/social media and discussing our most recent publication in the International Journal of Fuzzy Systems just sounds fun.

So, here's our current list. Anyone have some other funny-named or obscure journals that are worthy?
Yes I know this is super stupid and immature, but what fun is research if you can't generate pointless dreams along the way?

Journal of Buffalo Science
Journal of Christian Nursing
International Journal of Fuzzy Systems
Rangifer: Research, Management and Husbandry of Reindeer and other Northern Ungulates

Honorable mention goes to the semi-satirical journal Proceedings of the Natural Institute of Science (PNIS).
 
I will start my PhD in Transportation Engineering next year in UPC (Barcelona). Really excited for it :)

Gonna be my third time in Europe (did 2 exchange, Porto and Budapest, 1,5 years total), then back to Brazil again. It will be challenging, as I dont have a Master or any publication or anything like this. Actually I haven't graduated yet (1 subject to go, till December).
 
I get so agitated at applications that want me to list every course Ive taken, after taking courses for 9 years now, that's a lot to input worst when its a system where you have to input the course, hit enter, then enter the next one.

Anyway applying for another postdoctoral experience for when I finish in the spring or summer of 2016.
 
Anyone come across the hurdle of getting letters of recommendations when very few of your professors would remember you? I was in classes of 100-200 people often, I didn't know graduate school would require me to have personal relationships with multiple professors.

Its stressing me out. I received great grades in my undergrad and I have a distinct interest in pursing a more advanced degree, and yet this hurdle feels like the one thing preventing me from going to graduate school.
 
Anyone come across the hurdle of getting letters of recommendations when very few of your professors would remember you? I was in classes of 100-200 people often, I didn't know graduate school would require me to have personal relationships with multiple professors.

Its stressing me out. I received great grades in my undergrad and I have a distinct interest in pursing a more advanced degree, and yet this hurdle feels like the one thing preventing me from going to graduate school.

I feel your pain. A requirement for letters of recommendation at the level of undergraduate to graduate is stupid and pointless.

I remember having your exact problem, not really having that kind of personal interaction with people where it felt natural to ask for letters.
 
My research supervisor at my internship showed keen interest in taking me on as a PHD student including arranging scholarships but I rejected his offer. Now I'm unemployed 3 months after graduation. I think I made the wrong decision.
 
Having just started my MSc (which is part time evening course) I feel kind of isolated in the class. I don't know anyone there and I am struggling to get my head around the subject (on paper it's related to what I have done, but yeah....lol). Just a little harder to get motivated without the stuctures provided by the BA and can totally get the independent study concept so much more now haha.

I'm doing Social & Political Theory. I am enjoying learning new things, but I just am feeling a bit out of my depth with the first module which is pure political theory, and finding it hard to contribute in seminars, etc. I know I am not the only one, but it's hard not to compare myself to others who have done, say, Political Theory for their BA and already have a comprehensive understanding of the subject.
 
Having just started my MSc (which is part time evening course) I feel kind of isolated in the class. I don't know anyone there and I am struggling to get my head around the subject (on paper it's related to what I have done, but yeah....lol). Just a little harder to get motivated without the stuctures provided by the BA and can totally get the independent study concept so much more now haha.

I'm doing Social & Political Theory. I am enjoying learning new things, but I just am feeling a bit out of my depth with the first module which is pure political theory, and finding it hard to contribute in seminars, etc. I know I am not the only one, but it's hard not to compare myself to others who have done, say, Political Theory for their BA and already have a comprehensive understanding of the subject.

I feel you. My undergrad and masters are in lit and creative writing and now I'm reading all these theorists and philosophers and it's a struggle every time we change topics, but I'm just reading my face off. It sinks in.
 
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