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[Boss Doggie]

Antz is the one Dreamworks movie which I dislike. The 'trying too hard to be cool' thing I mentioned earlier is really in overdrive here. Wanted so much to strangle the main character.

I don't mind "trying too hard to be cool" when they can pull off a really good story. Seriously, how come no one animated the "ants as a hive mind" concept? It was really well put here and it isn't poorly written like in ABL.

And I'll take Z over Flik any time. Flik was your average Disney-esque hero. Z was actually more of an adventurer without the annoying Disney aspects.

 

[Wafflecakes]

I don't mind "trying too hard to be cool" when they can pull off a really good story. Seriously, how come no one animated the "ants as a hive mind" concept? It was really well put here and it isn't poorly written like in ABL.

And I'll take Z over Flik any time. Flik was your average Disney-esque hero. Z was actually more of an adventurer without the annoying Disney aspects.

I sorta agree. Antz is by no means one of my favorite animated films, but I enjoyed it far more than I did A Bugs Life.

Shreks 2 and 3 were horrible (story wise). They lacked the charm of the first. I loved Shrek 4 (story and animation).

I don't get how people can dislike Shrek 2

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Well I can't understand how you can like any of the other Shrek films and not 2

. Imo it was better than the other films in every way. Probably my #2 or #3 Dreamworks film.

 

[TAJ]

I've always suspected that A Bug's Life was adapted from The Three Amigos by people who had never seen The Seven Samurai. Then they lied later to make themselves look better.

Pixar has done 13 films in 17 years (will be 14 in 18 this year) while DreamWorks Animation has pumped out 25 films in a 14 year span.

Are you counting Dreamworks releases that weren't done at PDI?
If so you might as well add every Disney animated feature from the last 17 years to the Pixar figure.

 

[Femmeworth]

I've always suspected that A Bug's Life was adapted from The Three Amigos by people who had never seen The Seven Samurai. Then they lied later to make themselves look better.

Now that you mention it, you appear to be correct.

 

[crazy monkey]

I was crying at the ending. If anything, KFP2 was better than the first.

Both are just amazing movies. Have watched them 100 of times. 3d was amazing in 2 as well. shreak 1 is clasic. 2 was great. 3 was bad. 4 was good. puss in the boot was very cute.

 

[Violet_0]

Hiccup's relationship with his father was rather poor, I thought. Weakest aspect of the film. Then again, I find "disappointing son" storylines incredibly trite.

I haven't heard that one before. HTTYD is one of my favorite animation movie and I'll readily admit that it has some weaknesses (most notably the supporting cast, Hiccup's 'friends') but so far I have never heard anyone complain abut the father-son relationship in the movie before

weren't you the one who really liked Brave, and the mother-daughter relationship in it? Personally, I think it never comes close to what they did in HTTYD. The scenes with Hiccup and his father have so much emotional power, it I always make me tear up a little.
Welp, now I kinda wish I had brought the dvd with me.

 

[Femmeworth]

weren't you the one who really liked Brave, and the mother-daughter relationship in it? Personally, I think it never comes close to what they did in HTTYD. The scenes with Hiccup and his father have so much emotional power, it I always make me tear up a little.
Welp, now I kinda wish I had brought the dvd with me.

The difference is you don't see many animated films centered on a mother-daughter relationship.

 

[maharg]

I haven't heard that one before. HTTYD is one of my favorite animation movie and I'll readily admit that it has some weaknesses (most notably the supporting cast, Hiccup's 'friends') but so far I have never heard anyone complain abut the father-son relationship in the movie before

weren't you the one who really liked Brave, and the mother-daughter relationship in it? Personally, I think it never comes close to what they did in HTTYD. The scenes with Hiccup and his father have so much emotional power, it I always make me tear up a little.
Welp, now I kinda wish I had brought the dvd with me.

You might just identify more strongly with Hiccup's. Especially if you're male or had an overbearing, unsupportive, but loving father.

I think Brave had a lot of problems (and didn't deserve its oscar), but I don't think that was its critical flaw.

 

[Femmeworth]

I think Brave had a lot of problems (and didn't deserve its oscar), but I don't think that was its critical flaw.

What did then? I'm conflicted, I agree it's flawed but I wanted it to get recognition. The competition was similarly flawed, at least what was nominated.

 

[maharg]

I think Wreck It Ralph was better overall. I didn't see all the nominees, though. I just think it got bumped over the line by a tendency for flaws in Pixar films to be forgiven.

 

[Femmeworth]

I think Wreck It Ralph was better overall. I didn't see all the nominees, though. I just think it got bumped over the line by a tendency for flaws in Pixar films to be forgiven.

ಠ_ಠ The only thing it had going for it were the visuals, which weren't even that creative.

 

[crazy monkey]

I think Wreck It Ralph was better overall. I didn't see all the nominees, though. I just think it got bumped over the line by a tendency for flaws in Pixar films to be forgiven.

best animated movie by far was paranorman. Such a gem. Second and very close second was wreak it Ralph. brave was worse then Madagascar 3.

 

[EightBitNate]

I remember raging that Paranorman didn't even get nominated for one of the award shows. I can't remember which one it was. Shit was ridiculous.

 

[Femmeworth]

best animated movie by far was paranorman. Such a gem. Second and very close second was wreak it Ralph. brave was worse then Madagascar 3.

ParaNorman much like Brave needed another thirty minutes or so. Lovely visuals, though.

Edit: As a side note, why isn't there a general animation thread? Or at least something devoted to Western animated films.

 

[crazy monkey]

ParaNorman much like Brave needed another thirty minutes or so. Lovely visuals, though.

lol. you can't even compare those two. paranormal had such a beautiful and hunting story. Few animated movies were i was actually scared. plus animation and expression were just beautiful.

 

[Femmeworth]

lol. you can't even compare those two. paranormal had such a beautiful and hunting story. Few animated movies were i was actually scared. plus animation and expression were just beautiful.

If by "beautiful and hunting story" you mean an undercooked story about bullying, then yes.

 

[crazy monkey]

If by "beautiful and hunting story" you mean an undercooked story about bullying, then yes.

lol much more then bullying and over coming your weakness. Accepting who you are. There were so many themes explored in the movie. Better then fuck my mom is a bear because i wanted to be free and my father is Scottish guy.

 

[Violet_0]

You might just identify more strongly with Hiccup's. Especially if you're male or had an overbearing, unsupportive, but loving father.

I think Brave had a lot of problems (and didn't deserve its oscar), but I don't think that was its critical flaw.

well, the first part is certainly true. Animation movies are becoming rather good at creating a protagonist that you can easily identify with (as a guy, anyway), I'm sure I'm far from being the only one who looks at Hiccup or Remy (two sides of the same coin) or Norman and thinks 'hey, that's kinda me!'. Damn that nerdy loner archetype, why does it work so well in these movie.
And really, as a kid I was never all that good with the bow, at riding horses or free-climbing

ಠ_ಠ The only thing it had going for it were the visuals, which weren't even that creative.

hey hey, no dissing Wreck-It, it's one of Disney's best works in recent memory and up there with some of Pixar's finest (yeah, I liked the movie quite a bit). The outcry on the internet over Brave winning the academy award tells me that a number people share my sentiment. I think either Wreck-It or Paranorman would have both been solid choices.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

Anyone think Dreamworks will bother giving the ol' 2D Films like Prince of Egypt and Road to El Dorado Blu Ray versions?

Sure, they're not disney, I'd just like to see some love still giving to those great 2D styles.

 

[Boss Doggie]

The difference is you don't see many animated films centered on a mother-daughter relationship.

And they handled it terribly.

ParaNorman much like Brave needed another thirty minutes or so. Lovely visuals, though.

Edit: As a side note, why isn't there a general animation thread? Or at least something devoted to Western animated films.

Brave is terrible compared to Madagascar 3 though.

 

[MYE]

HTTYD is as good as the best of Pixar. Probably one of my favourite animated flicks

 

[Violet_0]

Brave is terrible compared to Madagascar 3 though.

imo Brave is a good movie and so is Madagascar 3. Neither of them is spectacular. Brave is more consistent, Madagascar had some really cool-looking scenes towards the end

 

[hateradio]

If by "beautiful and hunting story" you mean an undercooked story about bullying, then yes.

I agree. I felt that the wrap up was devastatingly unsatisfying. They built such an interesting and creative world, simply to scramble and close, "OH SHIT WE RAN OUT OF TIME, THE KIDS ARE GOING TO GET BORED, LET'S FINISH THIS SHIT. THE END!"

lol much more then bullying and over coming your weakness. Accepting who you are. There were so many themes explored in the movie. Better then fuck my mom is a bear because i wanted to be free and my father is Scottish guy.

Spoilers?

I haven't seen Brave yet.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Yeah, like I said, Croods handled the conflict of Brave much better.

If you want a good feminist movie go watch Monsters vs Aliens.

 

[Xun]

Edit: As a side note, why isn't there a general animation thread? Or at least something devoted to Western animated films.

There's an animation thread to show your own work that I created a while back, but I'd be up for making an Animation OT.

 

[Femmeworth]

lol much more then bullying and over coming your weakness. Accepting who you are. There were so many themes explored in the movie. Better then fuck my mom is a bear because i wanted to be free and my father is Scottish guy.

Okay, I did a disservice to ParaNorman. It's still underdeveloped with a less than desirable ending.

Yeah, like I said, Croods handled the conflict of Brave much better.

We'll see. I have faith in Sanders, his co-director not so much.

If you want a good feminist movie go watch Monsters vs Aliens.

Sure. Guess I'll give it a shot.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

HTTYD is as good as the best of Pixar. Probably one of my favourite animated flicks

HTTYD is great. But it doesn't touch The Incredibles.

 

[Lijik]

I remember raging that Paranorman didn't even get nominated for one of the award shows. I can't remember which one it was. Shit was ridiculous.

It was the golden globes which I remember a section of Tumblr having a meltdown over.
Which was hilarious because it was the fucking golden globes and no one gives a shit beyond the parts with the hosts.

 

[Boss Doggie]

We'll see. I have faith in Sanders, his co-director not so much.

Sure. Guess I'll give it a shot.

Of course, I'm not particularly sure what you consider a good feminist film, but for me it checks most of the things I'd usually wish to see when females are the main characters.

HTTYD is great. But it doesn't touch The Incredibles.

Personally I think The Incredibles isn't the best Pixar film (and in fact suffers from minor blemishes).

It's

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Monsters Inc

.

 

[Violet_0]

There's an animation thread to show your own work that I created a while back, but I'd be up for making an Animation OT.

sounds good.

Personally I think The Incredibles isn't the best Pixar film (and in fact suffers from minor blemishes).

It's

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Monsters Inc

.

eh, fun movie but only Pixar mid-tier. WALL-E is the only movie that I'd even consider putting above The Incredibles, screw the haters

 

[Boss Doggie]

eh, fun movie but only Pixar mid-tier. WALL-E is the only movie that I'd even consider putting above The Incredibles, screw the haters

Wall-E for me can never be that great because they broke the very thing that made the movie really good.

 

[kurahador]

HTTYD had an amazing final boss fight though, unlike The Incredibles.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I honestly consider KFP2 to be superior to HTTYD and is comparable (and sometimes even superior) to TI.

 

[zoukka]

HTTYD had an amazing final boss fight though, unlike The Incredibles.

The giant dragon? That was awful and as generic as you can get.

 

[Boss Doggie]

The giant dragon? That was awful and as generic as you can get.

Applying "hints" you got from training your pet as a way of defeating it is not "generic". Maybe generic if you only remember the friends trying to distract it, but the actual Toothless vs. Greendeath fight was awesome that uses a lot of foreshadowing.

 

[Violet_0]

The giant dragon? That was awful and as generic as you can get.

I thought the scene had a great cinematography, the giant dragon looked too cartoony though. Paranorman still has the best 'boss fight', I could re-watch that scene endlessly.

 

[qindarka]

The giant dragon? That was awful and as generic as you can get.

I wouldn't call it awful but I partly agree. It is generally disappointing when the conflict boils down to an action sequence.

 

[zoukka]

I wouldn't call it awful but I partly agree. It is generally disappointing when the conflict boils down to an action sequence.

With a giant evil bad guy that has zero persona. It's dumb and lazy as fuck.

 

[Boss Doggie]

With a giant evil bad guy that has zero persona. It's dumb and lazy as fuck.

Well the villain itself isn't deep or anything, but I consider it more akin to say... Anti-Monitor. It is as basic as it gets yet it has enough to show terror. The Green Death is essentially a plot-device villain.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I saw The Croods.

While I don't think it's a terrific film or anything, I did enjoy it. It had some funny moments and the characters are very charming and cute and it didn't rely too much on caca humor or lame references.

 

[zoukka]

The Green Death is essentially a plot-device villain.

Indeed it is.

 

[Violet_0]

Indeed it is.

nothing wrong with that. It doesn't even qualify as a villain in my eyes, more a force of nature. It acts as the big threat and cause of the hostility between dragons and vikings in the story, complaining about it's lack of personality is just silly. It barely even gets any screen time in the movie, and the scenes in which it shows up are a visual feast.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Indeed it is.

And that's actually pretty fine.

nothing wrong with that. It doesn't even qualify as a villain in my eyes, more a force of nature. It acts as the big threat and cause of the hostility between dragons and vikings in the story, complaining about it's lack of personality is just silly. It barely even gets any screen time in the movie, and the scenes in which it shows up are a visual feast.

And this.

Not every villain is going to be the "deep" type, especially on films that don't need a villain like that.

 

[TEJ]

I just saw megamind.

It was surprisingly funny, I enjoyed the characters, and has action sequences you'd expect to see in a superman movie but for some reason has never happened in all five superman flicks

Spoiler

I hear man of steel is going to remedy this hard, though

.

 

[Femmeworth]

Of course, I'm not particularly sure what you consider a good feminist film, but for me it checks most of the things I'd usually wish to see when females are the main characters.

I wouldn't even call Brave a "feminist film." It's such a loaded label, I try to avoid using it. Instead opting to just call something (socially) progressive. Also a mainstream, high budget film is going to be held back too much to approach modern feminist standards.

 

[maharg]

HTTYD doesn't have any kind of a villain. It has antagonists, but none of them are villains. That's not the kind of story it is.

 

[Xun]

There's an animation thread to show your own work that I created a while back, but I'd be up for making an Animation OT.

sounds good.

I'll probably get to work on it then.

Any requests as to what people want in the OT?

 

[Femmeworth]

I'll probably get to work on it then.

Any requests as to what people want in the OT?

Perhaps a primer on currently airing series and upcoming films/series.

 

[Lima]

The Croods was fucking awesome. That shit had some high quality animation in it that you have never seen before. Also loved the Turbo trailer that came before it.

Dreamworks > Pixar

The last good Pixar movie was in 2010. Cars 2 and Brave were both shit.

And this year we get Monsters University which looks kinda cool and a shitty Cars spin-off that no one really needs.

 

[tajd]

saw the croods today its not brave 2.0


its more about the dad and guy than the girl eep