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[BlackIronCount]

looking at tons of 3rd party exclusive PS3 have in 2013
Most dev will stay on PS3 for several years to come.

Sony should start caring and give more love to 1st party Japanese centric games on PS4 first, then maybe the 3rd party would be migrating to PS4 much faster.

 

[RM8]

Lol at the handheld hate. Yeah, sure, all these 3DS games would obviously exist on consoles, in gorgeous HD and high-budget form if 3DS didn't exist. Absolutely.

 

[Magicpaint]

Seems like 10-11 million is a total market cap for a 'normal' home console over a pretty lengthy generation, so I'm not entirely sure what the PS4 will end up doing, 8-9 mill? People speak of 3DS "beast mode" but its not like its doing DS insanity numbers yet, although that may come soon with MH4 and Pokemon one-two.

It'll probably help the Xbone will barely exist over there to confuse the market at the start -- unless they buy Atlus! ha ha... aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

If the DS is the standard for "beast mode" sales in Japan then no system aside from the DS ever reached beast mode. The 3DS is selling only behind the DS as far as pace is concerned - it is outpacing the PS2 so far.

Lol at the handheld hate. Yeah, sure, all these 3DS games would obviously exist on consoles, in gorgeous HD and high-budget form if 3DS didn't exist. Absolutely.

That's the ideal lol. It's nice to want such things, but people who think this are living in fantasy land.

 

[Fabrik]

PS4 will never reach PS2 levels that's for sure. I'm not sure it'll reach PS3 levels simply for the fact that even less Japanese developers are able to compete in the old "AAA" field.
The only announced games so far for PS4 that will be popular in Japan are FFXV, MGSV and KHIII. Maybe Deep Down. That's it. Will those 3-4 games be enough to set the charts on fire? I doubt it, it didn't happen with FFXIII, MGSIV or Dragon's Dogma. Plus how long till those games actually release? And how long until the next batch of Japanese games are announced? That doesn't look good. I think Wii U has a bigger chance to make a come back this Fall.

 

[Pie and Beans]

If the DS is the standard for "beast mode" sales in Japan then no system aside from the DS ever reached beast mode. The 3DS is selling only behind the DS as far as pace is concerned - it is outpacing the PS2 so far.

The problem is the 3DS sort of needs to be taking the weight of the disappeared PSP sales, no more Sega console, something even close to Gamecube sales and more for it not to look like the entire Japanese side of things is in serious slumping shit.

Does this speak to the same smartphone gaming menace gripping the world over, or something else?

 

[Pie and Beans]

And how long until the next batch of Japanese games are announced? That doesn't look good. I think Wii U has a bigger chance to make a come back this Fall.

Theres this thing called TGS. Apparently thats the one Japan likes to attend more to announce things.
Oh and you're crazy on the WiiU front. Completely.

 

[makingmusic476]

I think there can be. Sony just needs to invest in a first party operation large enough to create a viable console ecosystem capable of enticing third parties back towards home console development.

We'll see if that happens. Names like Final Fantasy will help, but they don't have the draw that they once did.

It's all up to Sony.

 

[Thorgal]

PS4 will never reach PS2 levels that's for sure. I'm not sure it'll reach PS3 levels simply for the fact that even less Japanese developers are able to compete in the old "AAA" field.
The only announced games so far for PS4 that will be popular in Japan are FFXV, MGSV and KHIII. Maybe Deep Down. That's it. Will those 3-4 games be enough to set the charts on fire? I doubt it, it didn't happen with FFXIII, MGSIV or Dragon's Dogma. Plus how long till those games actually release? And how long until the next batch of Japanese games are announced? That doesn't look good. I think Wii U has a bigger chance to make a come back this Fall.

So you really believe no more PS4 announcements from japan at TGS at all ?

Ok.

 

[TAS]

The PS2 Japanese launch I believe was the best in gaming history. Something like 1 million consoles sold in 3 days? Nothing will ever top that.

 

[Fabrik]

Theres this thing called TGS. Apparently thats the one Japan likes to attend more to announce things.
Oh and you're crazy on the WiiU front. Completely.

I guess we'll see. Never count Nintendo out. It happened with 3DS. Had MK8 released this Winter I would have been more confident. As for TGS, I don't recall any big annoucements in recent years. Square-Enix and Konami aren't going to unveil big games there. They're already too busy working on FF and MGS. So what's left? Capcom might announce RE7.
As for the niche developers, what is the point in developing for PS4 when PS3 graphical prowess is more than enough? I don't see any other Japanese developer that has the shoulders to announce a big game on PS4 at TGS. Namco? Level 5?

So you really believe no more PS4 announcements from japan at TGS at all?

Be my guest! Dragon Quest? Monster Hunter? No they are far far away.

 

[btkadams]

I guess we'll see. Never count Nintendo out. It happened with 3DS. Had MK8 released this Winter I would have been more confident. As for TGS, I don't recall any big annoucements in recent years. Square-Enix and Konami aren't going to unveil big games there. They're already too busy working on FF and MGS. So what's left? Capcom might announce RE7.
As for the niche developers, what is the point in developing for PS4 when PS3 graphical prowess is more than enough? I don't see any other Japanese developer that has the shoulders to announce a big game on PS4 at TGS. Namco? Level 5?

don't forget about THE LAST GUARDIAN!

 

[chertipros]

Theres this thing called TGS. Apparently thats the one Japan likes to attend more to announce things.
Oh and you're crazy on the WiiU front. Completely.

TGS has become a complete joke. Can you name anything of note that has been announced there? Not even the big Japanese IP's like Monster Hunter or Dragon Quest get announced at tgs. They're too big for that
And crazy on the Wii U front? I know you might not like Nintendo games but there is hard evidence in the for of sales numbers to show that Nintendo IPS are extremely popular in Japan. And guess what? The big Nintendo IPs like pikmin, DK, and Mario are coming this fall. Kingdom Hearts and final fantasy won't be out for awhile

 

[Magicpaint]

The problem is the 3DS sort of needs to be taking the weight of the disappeared PSP sales, no more Sega console, something even close to Gamecube sales and more for it not to look like the entire Japanese side of things is in serious slumping shit.

Does this speak to the same smartphone gaming menace gripping the world over, or something else?

I guess we'll see with the PS4. So far both the Vita and WiiU have floundered out the gate but arguments can be made for the appeal (or lack thereof) of both systems. On the handheld side of things, I do think smartphone penetration has had an effect, but I don't think it's nearly as much a factor in Japan.

TGS has become a complete joke. Can you name anything of note that has been announced there? Not even the big Japanese IP's like Monster Hunter or Dragon Quest get announced at tgs. They're too big for that

Monster Hunter 4 was announced at TGS iirc.

 

[Pie and Beans]

I guess we'll see. Never count Nintendo out. It happened with 3DS. Had MK8 released this Winter I would have been more confident. As for TGS, I don't recall any big annoucements in recent years. Square-Enix and Konami aren't going to unveil big games there. They're already too busy working on FF and MGS. So what's left? Capcom might announce RE7.
As for the niche developers, what is the point in developing for PS4 when PS3 graphical prowess is more than enough? I don't see any other Japanese developer that has the shoulders to announce a big game on PS4 at TGS. Namco? Level 5?

Don't do the whole 'home console = eternally successful handheld line' thing, its lazy.

The one big game thats gonna do numbers for WiiU is Mario. And thats December, so the thing gets to be laughed at for a whole year with the worst sales on the market in the meantime, and thats a stigma it will never recover from.

What other games? Well Yakuza's, Capcom properties (RE, Street Fighter, etc), Demon's Souls 2 seemes to keep getting suggested around these parts, maybe some Tecmo/Koei shit to garnish and finish off with pulling TLG out the hat again. Thats after we just discount Final Fantasy, Metal Gear and Kingdom Hearts of course.

Why develop on PS4? Well because it sounds fucking a whole lot easier than PS3, and also rolls you into multi-plats for Xbone and PC at the exact same time. Theres the incentive. Power doesnt just mean top of the world graphics and whizzbangs, it also gives a helluva lot of breathing room for everyone else on consoles.

 

[chertipros]

I guess we'll see with the PS4. So far both the Vita and WiiU have floundered out the gate but arguments can be made for the appeal (or lack thereof) of both systems. On the handheld side of things, I do think smartphone penetration has had an effect, but I don't think it's nearly as much a factor in Japan.


Monster Hunter 4 was announced at TGS iirc.

Wasn't it announced at the same fall conference where MH3G was revealed? Cudda sworn.

 

[ZhugeEX]

Without citing banned sites, what is the Ps3 lifetime in Japan so far?

It's around 9 and a half million.

 

[SwordtoWarrior]

Only time will tell, we have heard that Sony want's to bring back the PS1 era, and Japanese developers return to glory.

Its not consoles that turn the market around, its the games behind said console.

This, it comes down to software.

Depends on whether Sony can convince these small to medium developers to jump on the digital download hype train.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Vita offers more DD? I don't think that would work.

 

[Magicpaint]

Wasn't it announced at the same fall conference where MH3G was revealed? Cudda sworn.

Hmm you might be right...though I do recall the whole thing happening during the TGS timeline.

 

[muu]

The longer I'm in the workforce the less time I feel I can bother diverting to solely gaming. When I get hooked I'll spend a few hundred hours going through a game (last happened w/ MH3U), but other than that it's great to have great gaming in handheld form, be it 3DS or iOS.

There just aren't very many developers that can handle HD development, and even for them very few games are actually worth developing in HD. When you got kids playing handhelds (no extra TV), and adults playing on handhelds (kill time in transit/etc) why bother?

 

[Brandon F]

Puzzle and dragons 2 exclusivity on ps4 may save Jappan-San!

 

[Fabrik]

Don't do the whole 'home console = eternally successful handheld line' thing, its lazy.

I'm not comparing handheld to home console but universal killer apps like the Mario 3D and Mario Kart combo. Handheld or home consoles, those things sell period.

And thats December, so the thing gets to be laughed at for a whole year with the worst sales on the market in the meantime, and thats a stigma it will never recover from.

Like 3DS?

What other games? Well Yakuza's, Capcom properties (RE, Street Fighter, etc),

Yakuza maybe but it's not the game that will make PS4 soar above PS3.
Street Fighter just no. That's niche. RE I already mentionned. Will never be ready for 2014, RE6's just out. They're just finishing MH4. There's nothing left sorry. They don't have infinite development resources.

Demon's Souls 2 seems to keep getting suggested around these parts

That's on PS3.

maybe some Tecmo/Koei shit to garnish

Oh yeah the makers of million sellers in Japan?

and finish off with pulling TLG out the hat again.

Good one.

Why develop on PS4? Well because it sounds fucking a whole lot easier than PS3, and also rolls you into multi-plats for Xbone and PC at the exact same time. Theres the incentive.

For Japanese centric games, Xbone and PC are irrelevant.

 

[gribbles]

If it has games that Japanese gamers want then it will sell.

Tell that to the Xbox 360.

 

[btkadams]

That's on PS3.

wait, it's been announced? i thought it was a rumoured game with no detail beyond the director not working on dark souls 2.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

(Insert blanket statement about a country with millions of people without anything to back it up here.)

It's threads like these that remind me most people online spend a lot of their time talking out their ass and making sweeping generalizations. It's good to have the reminder. The success or failure of the PS4 in Japan is so much more complex than most are painting it to be.

I'm just waiting on Dunan before crystalizing a thought into post form. He seems to know what what about these sorta things.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Like 3DS?

You're doing it again. 3DS was never in the same position as WiiU is. Don't play intentionally dumb.

 

[Espada]

I doubt the PS4 will even reach PS3 numbers in Japan. Something happened to the Japanese development scenes where they just threw their hands up, turned away from modern gaming, and doubled down on mobile games. It's around this time that their relevance in the gaming industry collapsed.

So, no, I don't think the PS4 can help turns things around. That would require Japanese developers who are interested in making HD games, in order to draw in Japanese gamers. They're happy where they are now.

 

[chertipros]

Don't do the whole 'home console = eternally successful handheld line' thing, its lazy.

The one big game thats gonna do numbers for WiiU is Mario. And thats December, so the thing gets to be laughed at for a whole year with the worst sales on the market in the meantime, and thats a stigma it will never recover from.

What other games? Well Yakuza's, Capcom properties (RE, Street Fighter, etc), Demon's Souls 2 seemes to keep getting suggested around these parts, maybe some Tecmo/Koei shit to garnish and finish off with pulling TLG out the hat again. Thats after we just discount Final Fantasy, Metal Gear and Kingdom Hearts of course.

Why develop on PS4? Well because it sounds fucking a whole lot easier than PS3, and also rolls you into multi-plats for Xbone and PC at the exact same time. Theres the incentive. Power doesnt just mean top of the world graphics and whizzbangs, it also gives a helluva lot of breathing room for everyone else on consoles.

All those games you mentioned are just sequels to games already released this gen to the ps3, an 9million unit selling console. The OP is asking if there is a way that the PS4 can revitalize the Japanese console hardware market, and it seems unlikely that it'll do that with more of the same. Especially when you factor in that unlike last gen, the Wii U can run half the games you mentioned on the PS4. MGS5 and DS2 are already cross gen titles, what's stopping the Wii u from obtaining other PS4 titles in the future as well?
If the Wii U gets multi plats with the ps4 it will really put a dent into ps4 system sales because unlike Microsoft, Nintendo has a large presence in Japan and there might be some consumers that choose Nintendo over Sony

 

[Into]

The market has outright rejected the Wii U, despite having the games people thought would entice Japanese gamers to invest in it, aka "Any reason why the Wii U *wont* dominate Japan?" legendary thread now, it has Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, New Super Mario Bros and yet there is almost no interest in it.

The market got split by Wii and PS3 to some extent, no PS2 like success story for either.

I think we need to see the launch games for the PS4 in Japan first, the price is attractive enough, and the promise of a FF and Kingdom Hearts sometimes in the future will help a little.

I do not see it doing PS2 numbers, but i do think it will do better than the PS3, just because of 2 factors:

1. Price, far more attractive than PS3 price was, that sunk the console worldwide
2. The competitors are not exactly gunning for them, Xbone will be irrelevant and the Wii U is no Wii, in any shape, way or form. Nor will it ever achieve those kinds of numbers.

So while Wii stole some of that PS2 audience from Sony with a cheaper console and a sensation, i see the PS4 stealing some of that audience back. There is nothing standing in their way, unlike last gen.

 

[Logash]

I doubt it. I think that the big Japanese devs will continue to develop games but they will be more like western games. I think the more traditional Japanese games will be on PS3, Vita, and the 3DS. If you really think about it, Japan really stopped caring about consoles this gen. The PS3 only sold about 10.5 million in 7 years. In comparison, the 3DS sold about 11.5 in a little over 2 years.

 

[Pie and Beans]

All those games you mentioned are just sequels to games already released this gen to the ps3, an 9million unit selling console. The OP is asking if there is a way that the PS4 can revitalize the Japanese console hardware market, and it seems unlikely that it'll do that with more of the same. Especially when you factor in that unlike last gen, the Wii U can run half the games you mentioned on the PS4. MGS5 and DS2 are already cross gen titles, what's stopping the Wii u from obtaining other PS4 titles in the future as well?
If the Wii U gets multi plats with the ps4 it will really put a dent into ps4 system sales because unlike Microsoft, Nintendo has a large presence in Japan and there might be some consumers that choose Nintendo over Sony

I'm not entirely sure you're aware what kind of message the WiiU's sales in every continent on the globe are sending to third parties right now. Thats whats stopping WiiU from getting cross-gen stuff like DS2 or MGSV before we even move into the x86 wonder-triplet market.

 

[Poohblaster]

Such idiotic drivel. AAA and AAAA with overly huge budgets and marketing is the worst plague that has come to modern video gaming.

I agree how many companies have we seen destroyed by making MMORPGS? I'll help you out it's a lot.

I would love to see console games have a complete spectrum of budgets with prices that represent that. 1 to 60 dollars should be the future.

 

[jWILL253]

This is stupid.

Why do people think Japan doesn't like consoles anymore? What evidence do any of you have? I need hard numbers, because there's a lot of assumptions in this thread...

 

[Parakeetman]

Only time will tell, we have heard that Sony want's to bring back the PS1 era, and Japanese developers return to glory.




This, it comes down to software.



Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Vita offers more DD? I don't think that would work.

Though digital download sales are a pretty substantial thing now here in Japan. Esp when it comes to popular titles, like granted it was not a sony title, but Animal Crossing on the 3ds lots of digital sales thanks to physical copies being hard to get. Plus people are understanding the positive points of a digital download copy. Like not having to mess with carrying around other games to play. Part of what has helped form this mindset is the massive explosion of smartphones and apps.

The Vita does indeed have a lot of digital download copies of the game and am sure they are doing just as well. Really wish that the media create sales numbers had a separate section to show how much the digital versions were selling for. Another nice bit is this also helps out folks who are in regions of Japan where games take a little longer to arrive in store. Screws over the brick & mortar places but thats what happens when you cant get your supply in for launch.

For example with Sword Art Online due to the physical copies vanishing right when the game came out on the PSP lots of folks ran to PSN to get the digital version instead. Esp with the fact that the restocks of the physical copies took forever. Though am unsure if the digital / physical save data is interchangeable. I never tried it with mine yet since have both the digital and physical.

It will only be a matter of time as more and more games are coming out and devs are getting on board with the digital download age.

 

[Logash]

This is stupid.

Why do people think Japan doesn't like consoles anymore? What evidence do any of you have? I need hard numbers, because there's a lot of assumptions in this thread...

The 3DS has already outsold the PS3 in less than 3 years and is on track to outsell the Wii this year as well.

 

[Atomski]

This is stupid.

Why do people think Japan doesn't like consoles anymore? What evidence do any of you have? I need hard numbers, because there's a lot of assumptions in this thread...

It seems pretty obvious based on sales and such. Do you have any info to counter that?

 

[Jinfash]

PS4 will be huge in Japan. I expect numbers similar to the PS2.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=498093

Spoiler

On the other hand, maybe if they react faster than the the sloth that is Nintendo and have a steady flow of solid releases, maybe it'll carve itself a decent market.

 

[RedSwirl]

It's hard to tell but I can see it doing well.

If the big publishers get their game out on time it will create a decent install base and pave the way for the rest. FFXV releasing in december 2014 will be much better than FFXIII releasing in 2009 for the PS3 assuming it releases then.

The price will be more attractive than the PS3.

Cerny said they saved a year on development time on Knack because of the ease of development on the PS4 as opposed to the PS3, so it should be an easier jump for the publishers who are thinking about costs and waiting for a larger user base.

It can succeed but who knows the extent of Japan's love for only handhelds. They will need to hit the ground running which is why i can't wait to see what they have in store at TGS.

Perhaps. If FFXV can make it out in Japan in 2014 and it's not a complete disaster, it could at least start a market for JRPGs on consoles again.

When looking at the Japanese preference for handhelds, I think it's also important to figure out what the cause and effect might be. It's easy to see how a handheld might be more convenient to a Japanese gamer, but at the same time the current situation could also have been due to the PS3's initial failures with the Japanese market.

Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran Turismo 5, and other tent pole Japanese franchises that sold the PS1 and PS2 took way too long to come out on PS3, and FFXIII didn't do well critically. Square Enix couldn't get its development houses in gear soon enough to establish the market for JRPGs on the PS3.

If the PS4 can get some must-have games for that market out soon enough I think the PS4 could eventually do pretty well in Japan. Definitely not PS2 numbers but it might top PS3 numbers if its game library starts out stronger.

 

[Into]

The PS2 is often said to be the point when the Japanese were most into consoles, as evident by it being the best selling home consoles in the land. But the difference between that gen and this gen is not as large as some think.

It seems pretty obvious based on sales and such. Do you have any info to counter that?

The Wii has sold 12.71 million as of 31 March 2013
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/consolidated_sales_e1303.pdf

The PS3 has sold 8.7 million as December 13, 2012
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/12/14/3ds-surpasses-ps3-lifetime-sales-in-japan
(this number today is often said to be 9.x million today)

The PS2 has sold 21 million as of October 1, 2008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2#Sales
(this number today is often said to be 25 million today)

360 is supposedly above 1 million, while the GC did 4 million in Japan

I am sure some Media Create experts have more up to date numbers, my point is that the console business in Japan has not collapsed as some claim, it seems only slightly lower than last gen, it just seems much lower because it was split between the Wii and PS3 and because so many Japanese games never saw release in the west, making it look like the entire idea of consoles has evaporated into thin air, when that obviously is not the truth.

Wii and PS3 are not selling well anymore, but they are 7 year old consoles, they have no business selling well anymore. Yes handhelds dominate, but they have always dominated, DS and Gameboy sold more than any Nintendo home console, its been that way since the late 80s. The handhelds arent taking over Japan, they always dominated Japan, there is no change

 

[schuelma]

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I am sure some Media Create experts have more up to date numbers, my point is that the console business in Japan has not collapsed as some claim, it seems only slightly lower than last gen, it just seems much lower because it was split between the Wii and PS3 and because so many Japanese games never saw release in the west, making it look like the entire idea of consoles has evaporated into thin air, when that obviously is not the truth.

It is more than just hardware numbers- its software as well. DS/3DS has taken a lot of software business away.

Look at the PS2 franchises..I'm pretty sure almost every franchise saw some major declines in this past generation.

If we assume that Wii U is going to struggle for the entire generation, PS4 is going to have to do really really well to pick up the slack.

Given the issues Japan still has with HD development and the 3DS juggernaut, I think that will be a steep climb.

 

[Usobuko]

If PS4 doesn't take off, I can't see what will. That's probably the end of it.

 

[jWILL253]

It seems pretty obvious based on sales and such. Do you have any info to counter that?

You mean the sales of two 8 year old consoles at the end of their lifetime? Or are you referring to the new Nintendo console that doesn't have any games out for it?

Both of those consoles would fail against two handhelds that were released within the last 3 years...

 

[LeleSocho]

PS4 will be huge in Japan. I expect numbers similar to the PS2.

As much as i would love to this is obviously not going to happen.

 

[Into]

It is more than just hardware numbers- its software as well. DS/3DS has taken a lot of software business away.

Look at the PS2 franchises..I'm pretty sure almost every franchise saw some major declines in this past generation.

If we assume that Wii U is going to struggle for the entire generation, PS4 is going to have to do really really well to pick up the slack.

Given the issues Japan still has with HD development and the 3DS juggernaut, I think that will be a steep climb.

I see what you are saying, but of course they saw decline, because the market got split in half, more in favor of the Wii. While RE, FF, MGS saw lower sales in Japan on PS3, other games such as NSMB, Mario Kart, Galaxy saw higher sales than those of Super Mario Sunshine, MK: Double Dash etc.

There is obviously a market there, that enjoys playing video games on a TV. Yes they prefer handhelds, but they have always preferred handhelds

If both Wii U and PS4 are doing below 10-20k come march 2014, ill gladly eat crow =P. I think both will do better than 20k with ease, especially if Nintendo drops the price and Sony launches with some good launch games specifically for that market

 

[Pennywise]

Next gen development is probably too expensive for Japanese developers to invest heavily into it.

Why create something that's going to cost a shitload of money to make on a small install base when you can take the safer route of creating something for the 3ds which has a good install base and doesn't cost as much to develop?

Actually alot of titles shouldn't be that more expensive at least the mid tier titles.
The development itself should be going alot faster these days, thanks to the x86 and the experience developers gained throughout this gen.

But as already mentioned it's gonna be still challenging because the overall console interest is going down.
It's gonna be an interesting gen and I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Verendus]

I think there is a decent market there. For example, I imagine PS4 will end up outperforming the PS3. Neglecting that though, this past generation, the Wii also had 10+ million sales. Now the Wii U is off to a pretty pathetic start, so is it feasible for PS4 to come near the combined sales of Wii/PS3? Most likely not. I'm not sure how you'd be able to re-ignite the console market in Japan since it will always be handheld dominated from the looks of it. I just believe that consoles can still make a decent impact, even if not the market leaders.

 

[Logash]

You mean the sales of two 8 year old consoles at the end of their lifetime? Or are you referring to the new Nintendo console that doesn't have any games out for it?

Both of those consoles would fail against two handhelds that were released within the last 3 years...

No, he's talking about the overall sales of the PS3 this entire generation in the region. Compared to handhelds, they are nothing.

 

[Oersted]

Handhelds are the worst plague modern gamers have to suffer. Was I God, I would eradicate handhelds from the world.

As would I. Consoles must reign supreme. Make it so Sony.

 

[Yawnier]

Some people just don't like handhelds that much. I own and play my 3DS regularly but I can see where some of these people are coming from.

 

[ledman]

PS4 already looks more promising than the PS3, with KH3 and FF15 already announced at least.

 

[schuelma]

PS4 already looks more promising than the PS3, with KH3 and FF15 already announced at least.

There was a substantial amount of big Japanese games announced for the PS3 when it launched.