Zombie James
Banned
And if you're limited in the ways you can buy and use software? It'll have an impact.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Is this bad Xbox One PR repairable?
- Thread starter IHaveCandy
- Start date
And if you're limited in the ways you can buy and use software? It'll have an impact.
Mainstream media is about to start to turn negative simply because the online & social crowd are negative. They will parrot the online sentiment...The positive press was done pretty much planned that way before the online backlash.
The big problem for MS is that even if they are targeting the masses the features they have shown I REALLY doubt are going to have enough appeal, innovation or function that the masses will pay a premium for those features. This is the big issue. The Xbone has shown nothing that will "wow" the masses to actualy pay for...(IMO of course)
Unless MS sells this thing super cheap via subsidizing or deals with cable/media providers I really doubt the mass market will pay more then $100 if that for the tv functionality...
Joe Public knows sod all about what's going on, so while they're losing the battle with the hardcore they can still win the war with the mass public.
It'll be very interesting to see how much the negative PR among the hardcore early adopters colors the sentiment towards the console as a whole though. If XBox One gets branded as being uncool out of the gate as a result of the flak it's getting now, that could provide a ground swell of support for Sony. And which ever console gets the critical mass from an online perspective will likely dominate for the remainder of the generation.
So, juries still out IMO. MS has a few tools at their disposal to sway public opinion back onto their side (Games and price mainly). But the clock is ticking.
It'll be very interesting to see how much the negative PR among the hardcore early adopters colors the sentiment towards the console as a whole though. If XBox One gets branded as being uncool out of the gate as a result of the flak it's getting now, that could provide a ground swell of support for Sony. And which ever console gets the critical mass from an online perspective will likely dominate for the remainder of the generation.
So, juries still out IMO. MS has a few tools at their disposal to sway public opinion back onto their side (Games and price mainly). But the clock is ticking.
BRocknRolla
Member
Time will show all this to reaction to have little effect on the uninformed, unthinking mainstream. MS doesn't need to fix anything because dudebro-nfl doesn't care about, comprehend, or is even aware of the controversy surrounding the system. Hell, plenty of informed gamers don't care, or will think of ways to justify crappy systems to themselves. All this will pass.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
The Xbox Reveal Event looks fine to me.
They want to do this long ago since they introduced a lot of thing core gamers don't care.
In my opinion, the problem is that Phil said something he was not sure. Meanwhile Microsoft still hadn't made the final decisions and details on these critical problem.
If they turn back and now announce on E3 that they won't charge or not going to challenge anyone's gaming experience, then it's Okay, everyone should be glad to accept a new concept of Xbox One.
But I guess Microsoft have made their decisions, just how much.
They want to do this long ago since they introduced a lot of thing core gamers don't care.
In my opinion, the problem is that Phil said something he was not sure. Meanwhile Microsoft still hadn't made the final decisions and details on these critical problem.
If they turn back and now announce on E3 that they won't charge or not going to challenge anyone's gaming experience, then it's Okay, everyone should be glad to accept a new concept of Xbox One.
But I guess Microsoft have made their decisions, just how much.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
boom!
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
If the PS3 truckload of bad rep was overlooked eventually I don't see an issue with X1.
People (us) have been very shortsighted with what MS's intent is.
They want that cloud and all those servers they secured to slowly but surely grow into something meaningful and powerful as more and more people obtain higher access to large bandwidth over the next 8 years so that whatever new experiences they implement become reality.
They need to deliver the message of their vision better, a lot of people don't understand what they are doing.
People (us) have been very shortsighted with what MS's intent is.
They want that cloud and all those servers they secured to slowly but surely grow into something meaningful and powerful as more and more people obtain higher access to large bandwidth over the next 8 years so that whatever new experiences they implement become reality.
They need to deliver the message of their vision better, a lot of people don't understand what they are doing.
A technical fault can be solved by making better hardware, MS chose to implement always Kinect, DRM etc. So unless they do a reverse on these decisions outright during the console's lifetime, it's not comparable to the RROD.
doniewhalberg
Member
Definitely repairable for me at least. I have no interest and dislike everything they've shown so far, and have no interest in buying one at the moment. However, regardless of stupid policies and input methods I have no interest in, I'm 99% not interested because they've barely shown the one thing I would 100% base my purchase on: Games. For me, it's a video game console purchase, regardless of what they market it as. That's the functionality I will use it exclusively for. If they have the games, and a price point to match the functionalityI'll get out of it, I would definitely be interested in buying one. So the bad PR for me could be turned around.
Don't think so...
I know I'm core myself, but I have limited time now.
The problem is not about money, it's about time and how I manage my energy after work.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
That's also true
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
You know, more than anything a lot of people secretly loved their 360's too.
I'd consider GAF posters to be hardcore. And the sentiment I'm hearing in most of the threads is that they won't touch the XBox One with a 10 foot pole. That's my interpretation anyway.
Goodacre0081
Member
the damage is done. the fact that they were even considering these anti-consumer tactics is what makes me worried.
Hard to say... The economy of when the PS3/Xbox 360/Wii launched no longer exists, and is now something much more consumer aware and consumer critical. We have seen even with the Wii, despite the console selling the attachment rate was terrible. These new systems are coming into an economy with even less money and in an industry that has seen a trend of publishers, developers, and the system sellers themselves struggling in the stock market and with their other products.
Even assuming they can completely recover from the bad PR, we are probably not going to see the same environment of generations before. The video game industry is proving to be very much, not recession proof. They have a lot more factors working against them this time, more then simply bad PR, so the amount of bad PR they get + the problems already will be quite the climb. The only way they can combat all this, imo, is if they do actually subsidies the Xbone through cable providers, essentially making it a lot cheaper then the competition.
Even assuming they can completely recover from the bad PR, we are probably not going to see the same environment of generations before. The video game industry is proving to be very much, not recession proof. They have a lot more factors working against them this time, more then simply bad PR, so the amount of bad PR they get + the problems already will be quite the climb. The only way they can combat all this, imo, is if they do actually subsidies the Xbone through cable providers, essentially making it a lot cheaper then the competition.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
PR can only do so much.
A shit sandwich is still a shit sandwich even if you tell me it's caviar.
A shit sandwich is still a shit sandwich even if you tell me it's caviar.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Sure, but it'd have to be a genuine turnaround.
In the end it won't matter much. Dudebros, dads, soccer moms and wide-eyed kiddies are gonna snatch it up like crazy. (And I'm sure they'll love it)
It will be interesting to see how much though given it won't have the entire holiday all to itself like 360 did Xmas '05.
It will be interesting to see how much though given it won't have the entire holiday all to itself like 360 did Xmas '05.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
That happened with the Wii and when Kinect came out
the majority will pick it up if there are games that interest them. Also MS's target is not Gaf anymore
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Isn't the X1 launch lineup expected to be very strong?
I'm sure it will be. Did I suggest otherwise?
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
MS has a large target, yes. But let's wait until E3 before we say Xbox isn't for most of GAF.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
people thinking this can't change and won't recover are probably the same people who thought the PS3 would 'never' catch up after the launch debacle.
I'm not so sure about that, I love Nintendo games, but I'll always poke at them with a stick for tying digital downloads to the console it's bought on, rather than a unified account.
quickwhips
Member
People will buy xbox one just like that bought xbox 360 aftetr RROD and just like they bought PS3 and PS4 after PSN hack. As long as the product has something that interest people it will sell.
Besides that X1 controller is sexy
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Oh no, once upon a time two dozen people bought something when they said they wouldn't, this invalidates all consumer choice ever.
That gif needs to stop being the only argument anyone uses against people saying "no."
I agree that the bolded would be an issue if E3 weren't so close. Honestly, I think the timing is the smartest thing MS has done in all of this. By having the unveil so close to E3 they have a pretty big opportunity to turn things around with the enthusiasts before bad sentiment gets deeply rooted.
Also, I think people get too caught up in the multimedia features. The XboxONE IS a gaming console. The entertainment features are but one component of it. I don't think MS is expecting people to want to buy a $400 box on that one component alone; they're expecting people to look at the XboxOne this holiday and see a product that presents an all-around value (this is likely why they showed ANY games at the unveiling this week). They're getting this message across by giving ALL of these features equal press (stand-alone event for the entertainment features, E3 WEEK for games). It's a strategy that I think could pay off. When consumers are in the store and deciding between X1 and PS4, it's going to be a lot fresher in their minds that the X1 does EVERYTHING even if Sony will ultimately have a similar feature set.
Of course, all of this is contingent on MS actually having exciting software to show at E3 that will get gamers back on-board.
Douche McBaggins The 3rd
Junior Member
The original launch 360s were like a 70-80 percent failure rate from the bulk i sell. Even jf fixed they will just continue to break so anyone saying 10 percent is delusional or a ms employee
AppleSmack
Banned
It is not repairable for me as a launch buyer. I will be getting the PS4 first no matter what Microsoft does at E3. I already saw all I really needed to see.
Consider what problems the PS3 had at launch, and consider what problems still persist today.
Unless MS do a complete U turn of nearly everything they've announced, it'll always be a sticking point.