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Is WiiU already destined to get lackluster western third party support?

Given we do not know the specs of any of the 3 machines, how does he have a point?

We don't know the spec of any of the machines, but we know how these guys operate.

We do know that Nintendo cares more about building a system they can profit off of as early as possible. We know that horsepower takes a backseat to whatever "hook" they develop to try and attract a wide audience.

We do know that Microsoft cares about horsepower, and will build a powerhouse system even if it means losing money on each unit.
 
Anybody care to address/speculate why the hell Nintendo is publishing SING, and not Activision?

I believe part of Nintendo's publishing arrangement is that if Nintendo publishes a new IP of a 3rd party (i.e. Endless Ocean, Dynamic Slash, Line Attack Heroes, etc.), it becomes Nintendo's IP. Maybe they really believe in the Sing IP and want it to be their own.
 
I expect the third party support to be weaker than the Wii's. Game development separated into PS360/PC on one end, and the Wii on the other. I think that's going to happen again, but now the WiiU is >PS360, game development will be more costly for it, making that support less common, and while I think it'll do well, I don't think it'll perform like the Wii did, so it'll make it even less attractive to those third parties.

I think two years from now, it will truly be Nintendo alone on there, which personally doesn't bother me.
 
It'll have decent third-party support for the next year or so in the form of multiplatform titles, but after the next-gen Microsoft and Sony consoles hit it's probably on its own.

You think that developers will shift from PS3/360 to the successors the day they launch? No generation has ever duplicated the previous, there are always shifts in popular genres and other trends. This is the first time I feel that graphics are a non-factor, and I fully expect more or less full third party support for PS3 at least until 2015. Microsoft will probably kill 360 for non-Kinect games sooner. My point is there will be AAA third party multiplatform support for PS3 and 360 beyond the release of PS4 and the next Xbox, and a scenario where Sony and Microsoft each have two competing platforms where the same game is released for all four is very likely. The question is what happens if the PS3/360-versions keep outselling the nextgen versions. I can see that happening for both EA Sports and Call of Duty. If Wii U hits the ground running this holiday it can have at least 3-4 years of full third party multiplatform support.
 
I'm thinking the Wii U may be the console equivalent of the DS, some sort of bastion for Japanese devs who've had a hell of a time coming to grips with the HD transition. Moving forward, I'd imagine that next gen would only tax them further, so Wii U might be a safer bet
Maybe but its just gotta have strong western support. I need all those third party games.
 
its all over nintendo being the greatest enemy of 3rd parties again.unless something different happens this gen(like someone said proper development for all 3 consoles)i see myself byuing wiiu for the nintendo games and any good 3rd party game,and x720 for all the games i cant play in with you..
although im a bit terrified with the whole tv-everything direction ms is going...
 
its all over nintendo being the greatest enemy of 3rd parties again.unless something different happens this gen(like someone said proper development for all 3 consoles)i see myself byuing wiiu for the nintendo games and any good 3rd party game,and x720 for all the games i cant play in with you..
although im a bit terrified with the whole tv-everything direction ms is going...

Unfortunately for me it will probably be a single console generation next-gen, so I have to chose wisely. I'm a Nintendo fan so they have some points in their favour right out the gate but they're doing their best so far to kill that favouritism.


Cool, I was wondering where that had got to.
 
If the Wii U's current launch lineup causes it to take off like the Wii did initially and 3rd parties miss the boat a second time I think a lot of them are going to look really stupid. You'd think they'd at least suspect this time around.

Thats a pretty big if, especially considering that Nintendoland is a sad sad replacement for Wii Sports as a system seller.
 
I'm stealing my post from another thread:

MadOdorMachine said:
I'm beginning to think Nintendo should just combine their handheld and console into one machine. They're already close to doing it with Wii U. The tech is pretty much at a level where console level graphics can be displayed on a mobile device. Vita is one example. Perhaps they could reverse engineer something like Wii U where instead of the console streaming to the tablet, your mobile device streamed to a device that was hooked up to your TV. Either that or just add an HDMI port to the hand held and include bluetooth so you can use other controller from your couch.

There are several reasons I think they should do this, but two big ones are Nintendo themselves and third parties. Nintendo handhelds for whatever reason are able to get the third party support their consoles can't. Not only that, but they also get a lot of exclusives. It's also becoming apparent that Nintendo is having a hard time developing software quick enough to support two systems, especially as technology advances. They are now experiencing the same problems everyone else had at the beginning of this gen with the jump to HD. The only problem is that it looks like third parties are ready to move on to other consoles with more power and ease of development. Only time will tell if third parties will support Wii U and that it will be successful enough for Nintendo to continue producing two devices, but I feel that the increasing competition, slow economic recovery and increased dev time and costs may be too much for them to continue to do both.
 
Tomb Raider is, in fact, not coming.

That correction is in line with what we're hearing. That is, that if a game isn't coming out in the launch window (What that is we don't know yet) it's not allowed to be talked about. Not even to say it's coming it seems.

I don't really want to believe that Tomb Raider wouldn't come to Wii U because by then there'd be millions of units out there and it'd seem like a no brainer. But if not, that's sad.
 
That correction is in line with what we're hearing. That is, that if a game isn't coming out in the launch window (What that is we don't know yet) it's not allowed to be talked about. Not even to say it's coming it seems.

I don't really want to believe that Tomb Raider wouldn't come to Wii U because by then there'd be millions of units out there and it'd seem like a no brainer. But if not, that's sad.

It is sad, but it's not happening. Launch window is 4 - 5 months after launch per Reggie IIRC. If the system debuts in November that means thru March is the window. Tomb Raider is releasing in March.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/01/26/tomb-raider-not-hitting-wii-u.aspx

“At this time no," Global Brand Director Karl Stewart said when asked if Tomb Raider was coming to Wii U. "When we started developing the game we made a conscious decision that it was all about building the game for a platform and making sure the game was specific to that platform.

"Given that we’ve been working on the game quite a while before Wii U was announced I think it would not be right to try and port it across. If we started building a game for the Wii U we would build it very differently and we would build it with unique functionality.”
 
That correction is in line with what we're hearing. That is, that if a game isn't coming out in the launch window (What that is we don't know yet) it's not allowed to be talked about. Not even to say it's coming it seems.

I don't really want to believe that Tomb Raider wouldn't come to Wii U because by then there'd be millions of units out there and it'd seem like a no brainer. But if not, that's sad.

Inustice: Gods Among Us was announced and that's not in their launch window, so I find it hard to believe that ONLY launch window games can be announced by 3rd parties. If Nintendo is enforcing this, it's the dumbest thing ever.
 
Inustice: Gods Among Us was announced and that's not in their launch window, so I find it hard to believe that ONLY launch window games can be announced by 3rd parties. If Nintendo is enforcing this, it's the dumbest thing ever.

That is literally the only instance of a non launch period title being announced. Maybe because it is WB which seems to have a good relationship with Nintendo right now?
 
We'll see. Something is up- don't know if it is some sort of bizarre NDA or Nintendo getting dev kits out late, but we have Activision and EA confirming games in development without announcing them. It makes no sense.

Rushing to the market a little? I don't really think so but you would think that there would be something bigger from them two. Ubi is in deep as usual.

I personally don't see it getting the support PS3/4/360/720/PC is getting. I think we all can see that.

It won't matter much for a bit after launch since I already want NSMB and P100 when I get mine.
 
Well I'm not going against almost 20 years of history, so yeah they are going to have shit third party support until proven otherwise. E3 did not prove otherwise.

True, but this is the first Nintendo console launching in the age of twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc.
 
I personally don't see it getting the support PS3/4/360/720/PC is getting. I think we all can see that.

Yeah that clearly isn't happening. I still think it *should* get better support than Wii. I think best case scenario is non gimped versions of the really mainstream Western stuff (Madden, FIFA, CoD), and substantial Japanese support.
 
There are so many factors involved in this it's impossible to say. But here's one thing: If the Wii U hits big, and 3rd parties aren't there to build an ecosystem on the machine for their titles, expect many more to collapse by the end of next-gen as well.
 
We don't know the spec of any of the machines, but we know how these guys operate.

We do know that Nintendo cares more about building a system they can profit off of as early as possible. We know that horsepower takes a backseat to whatever "hook" they develop to try and attract a wide audience.

We do know that Microsoft cares about horsepower, and will build a powerhouse system even if it means losing money on each unit.

That's the major difference and its why I'll stick with Microsoft over Nintendo every single day of the week. Nintendo builds hardware to suit them. Microsoft builds hardware to suit the third parties. When I add up all the games I bought this generation, 90 percent are from third parties.
 
Yes.

Whats with threads just asking simple questions in the title lately?

Nintendo gonna nintendo with third party. But everyone who buys a ninty console buys it for ninty games.
 
Yes.

Whats with threads just asking simple questions in the title lately?

Nintendo gonna nintendo with third party. But everyone who buys a ninty console buys it for ninty games.

Well yeah, by and large, there's nothing else worth a shit on the systems.
 
Yes.

Whats with threads just asking simple questions in the title lately?

Nintendo gonna nintendo with third party. But everyone who buys a ninty console buys it for ninty games.

Pretty much, but the Wii was the first console from them that didn't have much of anything from them I found compelling enough to make me want one. So far the Wii U is a repeat of that. If I need a Mario fix, I'll fire up my 3DS.
 
Sorry Dude, ill take their word over yours. I googled it and i see hundreds of links that Madden 13 is coming.

Have you seen one link that gives an actual EA quote?

Here is what EA said:


EA will have "a number of sports games we’re going to have on the platform that we haven’t announced yet" Riccitiello revealed during an investor call yesterday.

Link


I am sure Madden is coming, but it has not been announced and I'm skeptical it will be there for launch.
 
Have you seen one link that gives an actual EA quote?

Here is what EA said:


EA will have "a number of sports games we’re going to have on the platform that we haven’t announced yet" Riccitiello revealed during an investor call yesterday.

Link


I am sure Madden is coming, but it has not been announced and I'm skeptical it will be there for launch.

I can see Fifa slipping into next year but for Madden 13 to do well on Wii U it has to be released this fall. I see it happening, especially with all those reports.
 
I can see Fifa slipping into next year but for Madden 13 to do well on Wii U it has to be released this fall. I see it happening, especially with all those reports.

Fifa is for Europe as important as Madden is for the USA.

Fifa on the WiiU done right could be the definitive version of the game, HD visuals, conservative control on the gamepad but at the same time playmaker elements from the PES games on the Wii on the touchscreen + strategie and formation management on the fly. I would definitive buy that over the 360 version
 
Fifa is for Europe as important as Madden is for the USA.

Fifa on the WiiU done right could be the definitive version of the game, HD visuals, conservative control on the gamepad but at the same time playmaker elements from the PES games on the Wii on the touchscreen + strategie and formation management on the fly. I would definitive buy that over the 360 version

I bet Fifa in Europe is very important I just dont know how the schedule works over there.

I agree completely!
 
Edit: Epic did not mention Wii U on the Spike TV thing but they did say their engine would be scalable all the way down to mobile phones.
 
I honestly see no reason to believe that Wii U will get any better third-party support than Wii did, if only by a small margin. There just hasn't been any bright indicators to the contrary. So until I see Nintendo willing to moneyhat extensively, market for those extensively, create their own IP that makes big third-party games obvious for the library, and make their online platform both widely adopted and profitable...than I expect Wii-quality support.

I think it'll be a great Nintendo console, Day 1 for me. But looking at the facts and indicators concerning third-party support don't look any better than Wii's pre-launch.
 
No he isn't, it has not been confirmed for this year.

While not confirmation I did find this interesting bit of info from wiimakemadden(Madden Wii development Twitter page)

@wiimakemadden Great job as always guys. Will you guys follow Nintendo to the WiiU, or is this kind of like your last hurrah?
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@j_laeme There is a separate team working on that. Sorry, no details at this time.
 
Square Enix support on Wii U is required. This comment came from E3 yesterday, it's at least something:

“One thing I’ve learned from the games business is that you should never count Nintendo out,” said Mike Fischer, head of Square Enix Holdings American videogame division. “They’ve had tough times in the past, but came out with game changers that completely turned around their business when no one expected it.”
 
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