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Is Yoshi's Island a "Mario" game?
- Thread starter Gravijah
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Graphics Horse
Member
butter_stick said:
But it has Super Baby Mario in it
MiamiWesker
Member
Graphics Horse said:
My mistake, its the Super Mario franchise.
butter_stick
Banned
Graphics Horse said:But it has Super Baby Mario in it
Tetris is a Metroid game!
Boney said:
Okay, so I shouldn't have used the full size image directly... problem fixed.
...and, as an aside, Yoshi's Island uses basic Super Mario Bros. mechanics throughout much of the game (smash stuff with head, jump on enemies, eat 'em with Yoshi), AND additional moves introduced in the game (ground pound) are used in the next iteration of the series, Super Mario 64.
Gravijah said:
Yes.
- Created by Shigeru Miyamoto and EAD.
- Released in time for the 10th anniversary of Super Mario Bros.
The next Mario game developed after Super Mario World just took a different direction. Really, if you play through the entire game, there are many nods to the previous games in the Mario series, like rotating fireballs from Super Mario Bros. and Spike from Super Mario Bros. 3 (before coming back for NSMBWii). When the game begins you start out with Shy Guys and some original enemies but as you get closer to Bowser's castle more and more classic enemies show up and its like the game slowly reveals that it is a Mario game.
Plus there's a message from the staff which is similar to the messages they did for Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JCfyL_gszc
Lé Blade Runner
Member
It has Mario in a prominent role, hence it is a 'Mario' -game. To me, at least.
butter_stick
Banned
Lé Blade Runner said:
Is Mario Tennis a Mario game? In keeping with your expectations of a new Mario title.
Scythesurge
Member
Yes and so is Mario Teaches Typing.butter_stick said:
My conclusions on further analysis 
It is clear for me that this is a Mario game. The question remains if it's from the Mario "Main series" or just a "spin-off" Mario platform title.
- My opinion is that "Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island" belongs to the "Main series" because of the title, AND also because Mario takes a major role on the game, both story and gameplay wise. It is also a main Yoshi title (yep, a very particular game).
- "Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land" is also a Mario game, but belongs to the "Mario platforms spin-offs" category, because Mario takes a much minor role. It's also a main Wario title.
- "Yoshi's Island DS" is also a Mario game, but also belongs to the spin-off category because -besides it doesn't have "Mario" in it's title- this time Mario is not the only baby, as Yoshi can carry baby Peach, Wario, DK and Bowser. It is also a main Yoshi title.
So there you go :lol
It is clear for me that this is a Mario game. The question remains if it's from the Mario "Main series" or just a "spin-off" Mario platform title.
- My opinion is that "Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island" belongs to the "Main series" because of the title, AND also because Mario takes a major role on the game, both story and gameplay wise. It is also a main Yoshi title (yep, a very particular game).
- "Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land" is also a Mario game, but belongs to the "Mario platforms spin-offs" category, because Mario takes a much minor role. It's also a main Wario title.
- "Yoshi's Island DS" is also a Mario game, but also belongs to the spin-off category because -besides it doesn't have "Mario" in it's title
- this time Mario is not the only baby, as Yoshi can carry baby Peach, Wario, DK and Bowser. It is also a main Yoshi title.So there you go :lol
PIMPBYBLUD
Member
This game is still not up on VC...screw you Nintendo.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
Mak said:
So Super Princess peach is also a Mario game then...
I love how people say Yoshi Island is a Mario game because its good, but Yoshi Story, Yoshi's Universal Gravitation and Yoshi's Island DS are not Mario games, even if they play more like yoshi island, that the original yoshi island to mario games.
No its not, its a Yoshi game, the first, and it was just marketing, the same with the first Wario Land.
Dont say its the same becuase it was done by the same teams, because probably thats like saying that Mario galaxy is of the same franchise that Donkey Kong JB or Pikmin becuase they were made by the same people, or a more similar example, that Super Mario land is the same as Wario Land.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
While elements of Yoshi's Island have found their way into the main series (red coins, hidden collectables, little references here and there) it has become it's own series really (there's a reason why the GBA version dumped the "Super Mario World 2" subtitle!)
That doesn't make it a lesser game in any way whatsoever though!
Same deal for the Wario Land games (or are you really gonna make the argument that Wario Land 2, 3 and 4 are part of the Mario Land series? :lol)
That doesn't make it a lesser game in any way whatsoever though!
Same deal for the Wario Land games (or are you really gonna make the argument that Wario Land 2, 3 and 4 are part of the Mario Land series? :lol)
That's some good logic you got goin' on there... I guess you studied with our friend Miles.GaussTek said:My conclusions on further analysis
It is clear for me that this is a Mario game. The question remains if it's from the Mario "Main series" or just a "spin-off" Mario platform title.
- My opinion is that "Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island" belongs to the "Main series" because of the title, AND also because Mario takes a major role on the game, both story and gameplay wise. It is also a main Yoshi title (yep, a very particular game).
- "Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land" is also a Mario game, but belongs to the "Mario platforms spin-offs" category, because Mario takes a much minor role. It's also a main Wario title.
- "Yoshi's Island DS" is also a Mario game, but also belongs to the spin-off category because -besides it doesn't have "Mario" in it's title
So there you go :lol
DisenLedZep
Member
Gravijah said:
Well... there you have it.
No.
While this may be tempting and understandable to think of a platforming game featuring Mario as an omnipresent part along with numerous elements of the Mario universe, it's not enough to make Yoshi's Island part of the "Super Mario Bros." series of games (which I believe is what the OP and most people mean when they say "a Mario game"). Besides, any doubt that Yoshi's Island might be part of the Mario series were crushed the minute Nintendo announced a sequel for the DS.
Mario is not a character in Yoshi's Island. He's a health bar. Yoshi's the hero. He's got his own moves, techniques, physics, tunes and enemies, plus some of Mario's enemies.
If you ask me, the trickier question is: where do NSMB DS and NSMB Wii fit into the Mario series? Is DS Super Mario Bros. 5 and Wii 6? Or should we think of NSMB DS as Super Mario Land 4 and NSMB Wii as SMB 5? Personally I'm leaning towards the latter.
While this may be tempting and understandable to think of a platforming game featuring Mario as an omnipresent part along with numerous elements of the Mario universe, it's not enough to make Yoshi's Island part of the "Super Mario Bros." series of games (which I believe is what the OP and most people mean when they say "a Mario game"). Besides, any doubt that Yoshi's Island might be part of the Mario series were crushed the minute Nintendo announced a sequel for the DS.
Mario is not a character in Yoshi's Island. He's a health bar. Yoshi's the hero. He's got his own moves, techniques, physics, tunes and enemies, plus some of Mario's enemies.
If you ask me, the trickier question is: where do NSMB DS and NSMB Wii fit into the Mario series? Is DS Super Mario Bros. 5 and Wii 6? Or should we think of NSMB DS as Super Mario Land 4 and NSMB Wii as SMB 5? Personally I'm leaning towards the latter.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Yes it is. From I could gather, NCL considered it bigger than DKC. When I worked in Club Nintendo, NCL contacted us only twice directly. First time was when an unmarked envelope appeared with a Super Game Boy board inside, way before it was announced. Took us a while to figure out wtf it was since jt had no plastic casing.
Second time was when Yoshi's Island was announced. A random morning we had a fax from NCL (they NEVER faxed us) saying something along the lines of "New Super Mario game projected. Super Mario World 2: Yossy Island. Super FX chip all new graphics style". That was it. For several months we would have nothing else. Man I still remember vividly how was dreaming of an ACM modeling Mario game in DKC style.
Yes, they called it "Yossy Island", I'm pretty sure of it. Yamauchi era NCL was totally random.
Second time was when Yoshi's Island was announced. A random morning we had a fax from NCL (they NEVER faxed us) saying something along the lines of "New Super Mario game projected. Super Mario World 2: Yossy Island. Super FX chip all new graphics style". That was it. For several months we would have nothing else. Man I still remember vividly how was dreaming of an ACM modeling Mario game in DKC style.
Yes, they called it "Yossy Island", I'm pretty sure of it. Yamauchi era NCL was totally random.
Gameboy415
Member
Yes. I always viewed it as a prequel to the Mario series.
But I do agree that after this game helped Yoshi branch off into his own franchise of platforming "Yoshi games" (apart from the puzzle games, Tetris Attack cameo, and Yoshi's Safari).
I consider Yoshi's Story, Yoshi Touch N' Go, Yoshi Topsy Turvy and Yoshi's Island DS to be "Yoshi games".
That's how the title was romanized on the Japanese version.
But I do agree that after this game helped Yoshi branch off into his own franchise of platforming "Yoshi games" (apart from the puzzle games, Tetris Attack cameo, and Yoshi's Safari).
I consider Yoshi's Story, Yoshi Touch N' Go, Yoshi Topsy Turvy and Yoshi's Island DS to be "Yoshi games".
Chittagong said:
That's how the title was romanized on the Japanese version.
i was going to come and say "no" but reading this thread, i've come to realize the real problem here:
Nintendo has made a hell of a clusterfuck with their naming conventions.
you have games left and right with "Super Mario" in the title that don't fit the main platformer series at all or loosely. even a numbered entry fails to be a real mario game.
i'll just take the approach of separating the series by their gameplay and main characters:
2D Mario
3D Mario
Yoshi games
Wario games
DK games
Peach game
Luigi game
Mario Karts
Mario RPGs
Mario Sports
Mario Parties
Smash Bros. (which isn't really a Mario game but he's there and is very prominent)
etc.
the end.
Nintendo has made a hell of a clusterfuck with their naming conventions.
you have games left and right with "Super Mario" in the title that don't fit the main platformer series at all or loosely. even a numbered entry fails to be a real mario game.
i'll just take the approach of separating the series by their gameplay and main characters:
2D Mario
3D Mario
Yoshi games
Wario games
DK games
Peach game
Luigi game
Mario Karts
Mario RPGs
Mario Sports
Mario Parties
Smash Bros. (which isn't really a Mario game but he's there and is very prominent)
etc.
the end.
To Far Away Times
Member
Yoshi's Island is a main Mario title. The gameplay is very similar and its by the same people. I don't think controlling Yoshi vs controlling Mario is enough to consider it a spin off.
AniHawk said:
I see Donkey Kong as the game that both Donkey Kong and Mario split from. I think it being a Mario game and Donkey Kong game are rather interchangeable.
It would be something like this for me...
Donkey Kong -> Mario Bros Games -> SMW1/Yoshi's Island -> Yoshi Games
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Donkey Kong games
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
In name only, which is enough for semantic GAF apparently. It's not hard to figure out why an original game would be marketed as a direct sequel to one of Nintendo's most popular franchises, even if the main character and mechanics are only loosely related. That's all the "Super Mario World 2" moniker is- marketing.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I think the first one was since it was the sequel New Super Mario World.
I think afterward when it just became Yoshi Island or Yoshi Story, it became it's own series.
I think afterward when it just became Yoshi Island or Yoshi Story, it became it's own series.
luka said:
Is Wario Land a Mario game? It's called Super Mario Land 3, and Mario only appears at the very fucking end of the game and is never playable, but it has Mario in the title.
To answer the question: NO. IT IS NOT A MARIO GAME. THE PLATFORMING IS DIFFERENT, THE PACING IS DIFFERENT, AND THE OBSTACLES ARE DIFFERENT. JUST LIKE IN YOSHI'S ISLAND. FUCK.
Shouldn't one of the criteria for being a "Mario" game be that Mario is the main character of the game?
Mario games and their main characters:
SMB - Mario
SMB2 - Mario/Luigi/Princess/Toad
SMB3 - Mario
SML - Mario
SML2 - Mario
SML3 - Wario
SMW - Mario
SMW2 - Yoshi
SM64 - Mario
SMS - Mario
SMG - Mario
SMG2 - Mario
NSMB - Mario
NSMBW - Mario
It seems to me that there is a clear difference between 2 (or 3) of these games and the rest.
Also, other criteria should probably be used when describing a "Mario" game; like, is it a platformer or not?
Mario games and their main characters:
SMB - Mario
SMB2 - Mario/Luigi/Princess/Toad
SMB3 - Mario
SML - Mario
SML2 - Mario
SML3 - Wario
SMW - Mario
SMW2 - Yoshi
SM64 - Mario
SMS - Mario
SMG - Mario
SMG2 - Mario
NSMB - Mario
NSMBW - Mario
It seems to me that there is a clear difference between 2 (or 3) of these games and the rest.
Also, other criteria should probably be used when describing a "Mario" game; like, is it a platformer or not?
To Far Away Times
Member
AniHawk said:
Are the 3D Mario games still Mario games because the platforming, pacing and obstacles are different than the 2D games?
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
It sure is. Wario is obviously just Mario's id.AniHawk said:
To Far Away Times
Member
No, I've played it quite a bit. Got 100% on it and its my favorite game. I just don't think its all that different from SMW. Its got some differences but alot of it feels like the older Mario games as well.Fuzzy said:
To Far Away Times said:
That's kind of an unfair analogy. As mentioned in the thread already, what defines a Mario game would have to be established first. I think Yoshi's Island is a game that takes place in the Mario Universe but is not a "traditional" Mario game. At its core they are similar but in-depth it vastly differs.