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[Ranger X]

Yoshi's Island does have "Mario" in the title. The full title is Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.

Ok so it's "Mario" in the title that counts? Mario in the title = Mario game or is there another criterias? What about a game where there's no Mario in the title but where you PLAY as Mario?

 

[Zeliard]

Ok so it's "Mario" in the title that counts? Mario in the title = Mario game or is there another criterias? What about a game where there's no Mario in the title but where you PLAY as Mario?

You said it didn't have Mario in the title. I was simply pointing out that it does.

This entire debate is academic and trivial, but eh.

I don't think the main argument is that it has Mario in the title, but rather that Mario features as a dominant gameplay element. You don't control him, but he's the plot and gameplay device that sets the course for the entire game. I don't think it's ridiculous for people to consider it a Mario game, especially relative to something like Wario Land or Donkey Kong Country. But yeah, this is probably one of GAF's sillier debates. :lol

 

[Ranger X]

You said it didn't have Mario in the title. I was simply pointing out that it does.

This entire debate is academic and trivial, but eh.

I don't think the main argument is that it has Mario in the title, but rather that Mario features as a dominant gameplay element. You don't control him, but he's the plot and gameplay device that sets the course for the entire game. I don't think it's ridiculous for people to consider it a Mario game, especially relative to something like Wario Land or Donkey Kong Country. But yeah, this is probably one of GAF's sillier debates. :lol

Yeah I know about the "Super Mario World 2" in the title, my example was wrong, I was even thinking about the Smash Bros games and wrote Yoshi's Island. I'm tired

 

[ultron87]

Is Zelda 2 a Zelda game? Is Simon's Quest a Castlevania game?

Cause those are just as radical a departure from the original game, yet still considered members of their series.

 

[butter_stick]

Is Zelda 2 a Zelda game? Is Simon's Quest a Castlevania game?

Cause those are just as radical a departure from the original game, yet still considered members of their series.

Zelda 2 is on account of you playing as Link.

It's just that simple!

 

[entremet]

So what about Super Pario Mario? It has Super Mario in the title and you pay as the titular character as well?

 

[Gravijah]

So what about Super Pario Mario? It has Super Mario in the title and you pay as the titular character as well?

Spin-off of a spin-off... Of, shit, a spin-off?

 

[Boney]

Is Zelda 2 a Zelda game? Is Simon's Quest a Castlevania game?

Cause those are just as radical a departure from the original game, yet still considered members of their series.

Both are. No science involved there.

 

[luka]

Is Zelda 2 a Zelda game? Is Simon's Quest a Castlevania game?

Cause those are just as radical a departure from the original game, yet still considered members of their series.

But apparently the big distinction here is that the titular character HAS to be playable for it to be considered a "mainline" game, regardless of his constant presence and controllable sections. It's a distinction that, for some arbitrary reason only applies to Mario games, even though In most Zelda games you never play as Zelda and in several Donkey Kong County games you play as characters other than Donkey Kong.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Yes, but it's a spinoff.

 

[KevinCow]

Of course not. Mario games are fun.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

No, it's more of a Gran Turismo game.

 

[Gravijah]

No, it's more of a Gran Turismo game.

No wonder I love it so much.

 

[Zeliard]

You've gone ahead and done it now, KevinCow.

 

[Beth Cyra]

But apparently the big distinction here is that the titular character HAS to be playable for it to be considered a "mainline" game, regardless of his constant presence and controllable sections. It's a distinction that, for some arbitrary reason only applies to Mario games, even though In most Zelda games you never play as Zelda and in several Donkey Kong County games you play as characters other than Donkey Kong.

Or the fact that Nintendo as a company says they are different series of games, but we will ignore that just for you.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

It's always been pretty clear to me. Yoshi's Island is a Mario game, but it was spun-off into its own series. That means Yoshi's Island is a Mario game, but Yoshi's Island DS isn't. Easy enough.

 

[Gravijah]

It's always been pretty clear to me. Yoshi's Island is a Mario game, but it was spun-off into its own series. That means Yoshi's Island is a Mario game, but Yoshi's Island DS isn't. Easy enough.

Thank you.

 

[luka]

Or the fact that Nintendo as a company says they are different series of games, but we will ignore that just for you.

You've never seen sequels spin off into their own series' before?
What about Dark Forces -> Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, which became Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, etc.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Well I still stand by the fact that if Yoshi's Island is a Mario game then so is Wario Land.

If controlling Mario for the majority of the time isn't the requirment for a Mario game and the title is then Wario Land should count as well.

 

[entremet]

It's always been pretty clear to me. Yoshi's Island is a Mario game, but it was spun-off into its own series. That means Yoshi's Island is a Mario game, but Yoshi's Island DS isn't. Easy enough.

Finally. ^^^Get's it.

 

[Conrad Link]

Maybe its like Wonder Boy in Monster Land.

The Monster World games became their own thing but they're still Wonder Boy games.

Is Luigi's Mansion a Mario game? Or Super Princess Peach?

To me its because they called it Super Mario World 2 on the box I think of it as a Mario game, but Yoshi's Island DS I don't think of that as a Mario game. :lol

Strange I know.

 

[Joseph Merrick]

donkey kong country isn't a donkey kong game :O

 

[luka]

donkey kong country isn't a donkey kong game :O

Well duh. Donkey Kong is a Mario game!

 

[Gravijah]

Donkey Kong arcade birthed Donkey Kong and Mario!

GOODNIGHT!

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Well I still stand by the fact that if Yoshi's Island is a Mario game then so is Wario Land.

If controlling Mario for the majority of the time isn't the requirment for a Mario game and the title is then Wario Land should count as well.

Yes, the first Wario Land is, absolutely.

 

[Barkley's Justice]

i've been waiting for this game to come out on the stupid virtual console...wtf nintendo!! i STILL have not played this game.

 

[Oblivion]

No, it's not. YI and its sequels are separate series.

It's always been pretty clear to me. Yoshi's Island is a Mario game, but it was spun-off into its own series. That means Yoshi's Island is a Mario game, but Yoshi's Island DS isn't. Easy enough.

Why wouldn't Yoshi's Island DS count? It plays identically to YI.

 

[Gameboy415]

Finally. ^^^Get's it.

I agree.

Spoiler

...if by "Finally" you're referring to how I said essentially the same thing in post #129.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

No, it's not. YI and its sequels are separate series.



Why wouldn't Yoshi's Island DS count? It plays identically to YI.

Because it's post spin-off. An episode of The Ropers plays out identically to an episode of Three's Company featuring just the Ropers, but one is clearly The Ropers while the other is clearly Three's Company.

Come on, guys, this isn't rocket surgery.

 

[ConradCervantes]

No, it's not a Mario game. Nintendo saw money in the bank after the tens of millions of copies sold of Super Mario World and thought they could replicate similar success by slapping the name onto a completely different game and numbering it as a sequel.

Yoshi's Island and its DS sequel are Yoshi games. Mario is in Yoshi's Island what Yoshi was in SMW: an important character to the game, but ultimately a side character.

 

[ShyGuy]

Donkey Kong arcade birthed Donkey Kong and Mario!

GOODNIGHT!

No.

The character wasn't called Mario in that game, he was "Jumpman".

 

[luka]

No, it's not a Mario game. Nintendo saw money in the bank after the tens of millions of copies sold of Super Mario World and thought they could replicate similar success by slapping the name onto a completely different game and numbering it as a sequel.

Yoshi's Island and its DS sequel are Yoshi games. Mario is in Yoshi's Island what Yoshi was in SMW: an important character to the game, but ultimately a side character.

I wasn't aware there were such stringent rules when it came to this sort of thing. Are you sure they didn't just...you know, want to try something different for the sequel? It's not like they made this game then decided to throw in baby Mario at the last minute to cash in.
So later down the road they decide to make another game like Yoshi's Island because that style of gameplay was well received and presto: Yoshi's Island is now a separate franchise. How does that retroactively strip SMW2 of it's sequel status?

This whole debate is just silly.

 

[Oblivion]

Because it's post spin-off. An episode of The Ropers plays out identically to an episode of Three's Company featuring just the Ropers, but one is clearly The Ropers while the other is clearly Three's Company.

Come on, guys, this isn't rocket surgery.

Okay, so you wouldn't consider the first episode of The Ropers as an episode of Three's Company, right?

 

[Zeliard]

Yoshi's Island and its DS sequel are Yoshi games. Mario is in Yoshi's Island what Yoshi was in SMW: an important character to the game, but ultimately a side character.

The entire plot of Yoshi's Island revolves around Baby Mario (and Baby Luigi), and its main gameplay mechanic has Yoshi trying to keep Mario safe the whole way through.

Yoshi in SMW was a mount.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Okay, so you wouldn't consider the first episode of The Ropers as an episode of Three's Company, right?

The one that they ran as a test as a Three's Company episode? Yes, I do consider that a Three's Company episode. The actual first episode of the The Ropers titled "The Ropers", which was similar in theme and style to the test episode, just with a new plot of the week? That one is The Ropers.

Likewise the episode of All in the Family that was all about the Jeffersons. That's an All in the Family Episode, even though it clearly served as the basis for The Jeffersons.

I don't understand how this is confusing for people. Super Mario Bros. 2/USA must blow your minds.

 

[Oblivion]

The one that they ran as a test as a Three's Company episode? Yes, I do consider that a Three's Company episode. The actual first episode of the The Ropers titled "The Ropers", which was similar in theme and style to the test episode, just with a new plot of the week? That one is The Ropers.

Likewise the episode of All in the Family that was all about the Jeffersons. That's an All in the Family Episode, even though it clearly served as the basis for The Jeffersons.

Huh, gotta say that's actually an interesting way to look at the situation.

Still, gotta disagree though, homeslice.

I don't understand how this is confusing for people. Super Mario Bros. 2/USA must blow your minds.

That's pretty interesting too, now that I think about it. I'd still say SMB2USA is closer to a Mario game than YI was.

 

[whitehawk]

It also says Mario in the GBA version.

 

[Jasoco]

You don't control Mario! This thread is over!

YES. You DO.

http://www.mariowiki.com/Superstar_Mario

I was all ready to argue that it wasn't. But after reading the thread and remembering super star baby mario, I am going to say yes. It is kind of a Mario game. If it weren't for that part though, I'd say no it isn't. And that the name, like Warioland, was just to get people to buy into a new spinoff by putting Mario in the title.

 

[Chet Rippo]

The one that they ran as a test as a Three's Company episode? Yes, I do consider that a Three's Company episode. The actual first episode of the The Ropers titled "The Ropers", which was similar in theme and style to the test episode, just with a new plot of the week? That one is The Ropers.

Likewise the episode of All in the Family that was all about the Jeffersons. That's an All in the Family Episode, even though it clearly served as the basis for The Jeffersons.

I don't understand how this is confusing for people. Super Mario Bros. 2/USA must blow your minds.

Wouldn't that be a better analogy for Super Mario World?

 

[whitehawk]

You could argue that Baby Mario is the main character, it's about him saving his brother luigi from baby bowser. Yoshi is just his friend helping him get there since he can't walk.

 

[Yoshi]

If Yoshi's Island DS is the sequel to Yoshi's Island, why isn't it graced with the Mario subtitle as well(besides the fact that YI DS sucks)?

It doesn't suck at all òó.

In my opinion it's this way:

With Wario Land and Yoshis Island being branching titles which belong to both, the Mario (Land) series and their respective titular hero's series.

 

[DangerousDave]

Mario is Missing has 'Mario' in it's title, and yet I don't consider that to be a 'Mario' game.

Another point to my rule. Both Mario Bros movie and Mario is Missing happens in Earth, not in mushroom universe. Then, they're not Mario.

 

[Mael]

It doesn't suck at all òó.

In my opinion it's this way:

With Wario Land and Yoshis Island being branching titles which belong to both, the Mario (Land) series and their respective titular hero's series.

Agreed,
I'd argue that the 3D Marios are different enough to warrant a branching out of the mainline Mario games, that would be a nitpick though (and I think I saw some material showing that they consider it a branch,can't remember for the life of me where)

 

[Tarin02543]

Does anyone else also get that great nostalia feeling when looking at the Nes boxart? Man I want to play them again.

 

[Beth Cyra]

It doesn't suck at all òó.

In my opinion it's this way:

With Wario Land and Yoshis Island being branching titles which belong to both, the Mario (Land) series and their respective titular hero's series.

Woah there, where is the Wario World for Gamecube? Wouldn't it be along the same path as the Lands before it much like Mario World and Land?

 

[VoteForPedro]

Substitute the word Mario for Art and you have a classic "Are games art?" thread right here.

"Are Video Games Mario?"
"I don't think so but they do have Mario in them!"

"Who cares?"

 

[Requeim]

it's the best 2d mario game except for smb3, so yeah

 

[Odrion]

I see it as the successor to Super Mario Brothers 2/USA in terms of it's gameplay mechanics, it's level progression, and even featuring the same enemies.

 

[Mael]

I see it as the predecessor to Super Mario Brothers 2/USA in terms of it's gameplay mechanics, it's level progression, and even featuring the same enemies.

you mean successor, right?

 

[Beth Cyra]

I see it as the predecessor to Super Mario Brothers 2/USA in terms of it's gameplay mechanics, it's level progression, and even featuring the same enemies.

Are you talking about Yoshi's Island? If so then it would it would be the follow up to SMB 2 Usa and not predcessor?