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[GoofsterStud]

Just caught this on reddit. I've always maintained that the Xbox was the Dreamcast 2, from having great original Sega games to building on the online capabilities and having the same controller layout. This just further confirms it.


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Xbox 1 would have instantly gone from 5th favorite console to 1st or 2nd.

>.>

 

[Jotamide]

...I don't want to. I don't want to even consider what we lost...

Shenmue III as a 360 launch title.

 

[IN&OUT]

nothing would have changed at all. PS2 hype was through the roof for the whole sixth generation era.

 

[Metallix87]

nothing would have changed at all. PS2 hype was through the roof for the whole sixth generation era.

This is incorrect. While it would not have hurt the PS2 and it's dominance, it would've helped the Xbox, especially in Japan.

 

[Alchemy]

nothing would have changed at all. PS2 hype was through the roof for the whole sixth generation era.

Wouldn't have changed sales, but would have thightly bound SEGA to Microsoft which would have been extremely interesting for the long term. Plus playing Dreamcast games on my Xbox would have been fucking awesome.

 

[NolbertoS]

Dreamcast 3 would've happened maybe . MS could've gotten more JRPGs for there system like Skies of Arcadia 2

 

[biggersmaller]

That would have been really fucking cool, but it wouldn't have saved SEGA hardware or substantially altered OG Xbox sales.

Cool thought.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Wow.. Just thinking about it..

Shenmue III on 360
Sonic exclusive to Xbox
No F-Zero GX

God damn..

 

[TheSeks]

And yet there's a Dreamcast emulator for PC but not "Dreamcast 2"/X-box emulator on any platform.

 

[TetraGenesis]

CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT OUR WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE

I laughed so hard at this

 

[ec0ec0]

what the...!?

 

[GoofsterStud]

No F-Zero GX

God damn..

I change my mind, I don't want to live in that world.

 

[catabarez]

Pretty sure someone made a thread about this a year ago.

 

[meppi]

Pretty sure someone made a thread about this more than 10 years ago.

fixed for accuracy.

 

[Willy Wanka]

That would have been extremely handy for me at the time.

 

[MilkBeard]

I probably would have had a totally different view of the Xbox if this had happened. I was a big Dreamcast fan back then.

 

[Bran Ketra]

If Dreamcast games had online capability on the Xbox, that video game console might made more profits.

 

[DirtyDeedsDoneDirtCheap]

And yet there's a Dreamcast emulator for PC but not "Dreamcast 2"/X-box emulator on any platform.

There must be little incentive of emulating its exclusives. Halo 1 and 2 and Fable 2 eventually came out for PC. I don't see someone coding an emulator just so he and other can play, what, Phantom Dust?

 

[Skilotonn]

This is how I always thought of it, especially with all of those niche titles on it, and the fighting games - in fact it was the console that was next in line that I bought after the Dreamcast.

 

[abadguy]

It was because of Sega that i got an Xbox to begin with. This would have been amazing had it come to pass.

 

[Mass Effect]

I can't even imagine how this would have changed things.

And yet there's a Dreamcast emulator for PC but not "Dreamcast 2"/X-box emulator on any platform.

360 is an Xbox emulator. And besides, virtually every worthwhile game got a PC port.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

Goddamn. Had they done that then the Xbox would have been huge. Probably would have garnered a lot stronger Sega Support. Possibly even exclusivity.

 

[Nervous Sausage]

I can't even imagine how this would have changed things.



360 is an Xbox emulator. And besides, virtually every worthwhile game got a PC port.

Many games emulate but emulate poorly with glitches or slowdown. JSRF has a terrible framerate in some spots and is borderline unplayable, Panzer Dragoon Orta crashes after the 3rd level every single time without fail and although these games run in higher resolution on 360, many of them don't run in widescreen as they did on the original Xbox, which is admittedly not a huge deal but it would be nice to have some widescreen hacks. While a lot of games did get PC ports, I'd rather play an emulated Xbox version of Splinter Cell than the PC one with dodgy keyboard controls, something even Xpadder can't surmount. Chaos Theory got a great port though after fiddling with Xpadder for a few minutes to get things perfect. I do understand that maybe it shouldn't be as high priority as PS2 or Gamecube emulation but it would still be very welcome.

 

[Kimppis]

I remember reading something about that in this article:

http://www.eidolons-inn.net/tiki-index.php?page=SegaBase+Dreamcast&bl=y

Very interesting and informative too, despite some factual inaccuracies. The Saturn one is also a good read.

Dreamcast hardware inside an Xbox -> Microsoft losing even more money? They system was a beast and it was sold at a huge loss anyway.

 

[BradC00]

Knew of this, but not why it didn't happen, wow.

Was online (outside of PSO) that big on DC? Kind of an odd reason for MS but also one you'd think be small enough for Sega to accept. I dunno.

i spent many hours on NFL2k and Unreal. Probably not a huge user base as today, but gaming has blown up a bunch since then.

 

[SlipperyMoose]

This is really old but I guess since it was posted on Reddit it has resurfaced to the top of the internet.

 

[BasketCasket]

I owned 3 Sega consoles; then 3 Nintendo consoles and now 3 Sony consoles. I progressed in a very linear fashion and was left looking for a new "home" after the Dreamcast (excluding weird ones like the 3DO, Turbografx, Commodore 64, etc.).

If this had happened; it would have greatly impacted my gaming experience. I owned the 360; but it collected a lot of dust, as I always preferred online gaming on the PS3 and the exclusives.

This would have been massive for me.

 

[Yagharek]

Wow.. Just thinking about it..

Shenmue III on 360
Sonic exclusive to Xbox
No F-Zero GX

God damn..

No super monkey ball with the gc analog stick.

Fuck that.

 

[BasketCasket]

Take this one step further and imagine if the Sony & Nintendo cooperative plans had happened. What a strange world we'd be living in right now.. ha

 

[jcracken]

And yet there's a Dreamcast emulator for PC but not "Dreamcast 2"/X-box emulator on any platform.

Well, there is that one guy who got pretty far in making an Xbox emulator a while ago: http://www.caustik.com/cxbx/index.htm

I think I remember someone asked on a random forum what happened to that and the guy behind it posted in that thread that he was still working on it. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

 

[Barkley's Justice]

I think it would have been a scenario much like the PS2 chip inside early PS3s: It was neat and many appreciated it, but over time the games developed for the new hardware (PS3 or "Xbox" in this example) was what mattered.

In my opinion, 360 was the real "Dreamcast 2", down to the hardware colorway.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Same. The reason they shot it down actually doesn't make any sense to me.

Because those games would have to be outside of the Live network

 

[Freshmaker]

Get this shit outta here

XBox was an awesome system, and early on had some great Japanese games. DoA 3 and Shenmue 2

Shenmue 2 is a black eye since DC owners got royally screwed by MS there.

 

[Rentahamster]

Would have been pretty awesome if this had happened. Cue the alternate history scenarios.

 

[sakipon]

I loved Dreamcast back then so this probably would've made me buy the original Xbox. Now I never owned it, only jumped in with 360.

 

[Subitai]

Some of Sega would have been closed for sure. However, if a franchise sold well, like with Halo, Fable, and Forza, M$ would keep them around.

I'd guess Sonic, the sports, Virtua Fighter, and possibly PSO w/ charging for a hunters license would have all been kept around into the 360. Everything else though would have probably been done after its last release. I also think that with Sonic, MS wouldn't have felt as compelled to buy Rare.

 

[abadguy]

Get this shit outta here

XBox was an awesome system, and early on had some great Japanese games. DoA 3 and Shenmue 2 were two other titles to add to Green Slime's list. And then the first Splinter Cell (which was a good game).

OG Xbox was fantastic. I'll never forget that christmas when I got mine.

Exactly. Not to mention games like Phantom Dust ( one of the best games of that gen), Phantom Crash, Wreckless, Panzer Dragoon Orta ,the Otogi Series,Jet Set Radio Future,Gunvalkyrie, Ninja Gaiden Black and Metalwolf Chaos. Og xbox had a great line up.

Shenmue 2 is a black eye since DC owners got royally screwed by MS there.

How so? I came to the Xbox straight from the DC and i had( actually still own) Shenmue 2 for it and played the hell out of it.

 

[Persona7]

I still want Illbleed 2 and the remake/port.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Microsoft wanted to get Nintendo, as well.

Imagine how different history would've been if, in 2001, Microsoft had managed to purchase not only Rare but also Nintendo and Sega.

Pokemon with microtransactions, fps Mario warfare, Donkey kong kinect ...

 

[DiscoPower]

Xbox One is Dreamcast 4.

Playstation 4
vs
Dreamcast 4

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I still wonder why SA1&2 were only exclusive to the gamecube then..? Matter of fact many sega games were just exclusive to it.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Just caught this on reddit. I've always maintained that the Xbox was the Dreamcast 2,

Ugh, I actually got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach reading this. I liked the OG Xbox (ah, fond Morrowind memories) and their picking up of key Sega properties did get me to jump on board, but no, just no.

 

[Shion]

I think it's best MS didn't buy Sega, if only using Rare as a precedent.

Microsoft would have been a much better option than Sammy...

 

[sörine]

Microsoft would have been a much better option than Sammy...

I don't think that's possible. I'd only put Microsoft ahead of EA.

 

[Shion]

I don't think that's possible. I'd only put Microsoft ahead of EA.

Microsoft is in the console business and runs a, well-funded, gaming division.

Sammy is a pachinko company that doesn't give a shit about gaming.

If you ask me, Microsoft would have been the lesser of the two evils.

 

[SparkTR]

Microsoft is in the console business and runs a, well-funded, gaming division.

Sammy is a pachinko company that doesn't give a shit about gaming.

If you ask me, Microsoft would have been the lesser of the two evils.

That didn't help Rare. We would've probably got a few good games out before they decided Sega and their franchises didn't fit with Microsofts direction or goals, and relegated the name to Kinect or party games. On top of that also would have abandoned Sega's amazing PC division.

 

[RaikuHebi]

Didn't most Sega fanboys jump ship to Xbox? This would've made the circle complete.

 

[Lazaro]

Pokemon with microtransactions, fps Mario warfare, Donkey kong kinect ...

Bill Gates seemed to be pretty close to all these Japanese Console manufactures. Before Xbox was produced.

Although he seems to be busy with his Philanthropy, I wonder if he is truly still interested in making a deal with Nintendo.

 

[bjork]

Would have been pretty awesome if this had happened. Cue the alternate history scenarios.

In my alternate scenario, Sega left Tom Kalinske alone, let him do this magic, and they continued to prosper.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

Bill Gates seemed to be pretty close to all these Japanese Console manufactures. Before Xbox was produced.

Although he seems to be busy with his Philanthropy, I wonder if he is truly still interested in making a deal with Nintendo.

I can't see Nintendo accepting anything of the sort. At least not just yet. Perhaps if their next console suffers a similar fate, but who knows where the industry will be then. The ideal solution would be for Nintendo to make multiplatform games. Unlikely but one can dream.

Edit: But yes, if Nintendo and MS teamed up to make a console, that thing would be unstoppable. But the same would be for both Sony and MS and Sony and Nintendo partnerships.