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[NYCmetsfan]

Shepard smith describes the video for about 10 minutes here. Only three still images and its not a gore filled description. The way he describes it really makes Isis sound even worse than bin laden with how much effort they put into elaborate snuff films

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/shep-smith-gives-harrowing-description-of-isis-burning-prisoner-video/

 

[Rich!]

Citation needed.

I just posted an example in my edit

But really the bit you quoted is a known saying, and many share the same outlook.

Disclaimer: I have no intention personally of seeing the video. I can just understand why others would

 

[ThatGuyAgain]

Ok, then what is your solution?

They are beyond diplomacy. The innocents they have abducted are probably begging for death, if not just expecting it.

We need to extract who we can and pray for the rest.

Sorry if that sounds extreme. Trust me -I'm as liberal as liberal can be, but this just disturbing beyond belief.

In this case, it has gotten out of control. And you have copycat/sympathizers popping up all over the world BECAUSE ISIS has largely gone unchecked. Canada, France... their mentality is spreading like cancer.

The longer they exist, the longer they make these torture/execution videos, the more empowered their movement becomes. Whatever the hell their movement or cause is.

They need to be obliterated and pinpoint accuracy is not possible with sub-human filth who have no problem using innocent humans as meatshields or propaganda videos.

But I ask again. Before you judge me - WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?

Do not tell me I'm just as bad if you have nothing to offer as a legit solution to remove these creatures from existence.

WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?

Think about what you are suggesting. Killing innocent people that include those that are fighting these barbarians, those that are living in fear under their rule, woman and children, etc.

I'm just as pissed as you are with these fucks but taking out countless innocent people to get rid of a target is not the solution.

If I could suggest a solution... the UN and all of its members step up with coordinated resources to methodically get rid of them as quickly as reasonably possible.

 

[Naked Snake]

I just posted an example in my edit

But really the bit you quoted is a known saying, and many share the same outlook.

Disclaimer: I have no intention personally of seeing the video. I can just understand why others would

I'm not saying watching the video is wrong or immoral, but rationalizing it as "a will to understand evil" doesn't fly with me. Call it what it is, it's a quirk of human evolution that we are drawn to bad news and disasters. "If it bleeds it leads", and why people stop or slow down to get a closer look at a traffic accident.

 

[The Incarnation]

What the fuck? No, the score is NOT fucking even. These rotten, evil demons are ruthlessly torturing, slaughtering and murdering countless innocents that have done absolutely nothing to deserve it. They will keep doing this until they're stopped, and it's become very clear that the only way to achieve that is to physically end them. They NEED to die so that we can save all the innocents they haven't gotten around to slaughtering yet. That's NOT the same as what they're doing. If you really think it is, you are fucked up.

You go and do that then.

Crying for blood when you lack the balls to spill any.

Expecting real men to go out their to fight and put their lives on the line and suffer while you do fuck all, other than crave the blood of those elsewhere. Now that sounds fucked up to me. The military are not a tool to satisfy your own personal craving for death.

And yes the score is even.

Your level of hatred = their level of hatred.


There's a big difference between fighting against something and fighting for something.

 

[| Praxis |]

Collateral damage is out the window now.

This is one of those situations where you press the button and debate the morality later.

They burn people for stealing in some parts of the world. Do we just press the button in these places too?

You can't just over react, this is the purpose of these videos, to incite hatred on both sides.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I made the mistake of wanting to see the video. I was hoping the poor chap defied them and held his dignity and didn't scream in agony. It seems like he did God bless him his soul.

I have to say I feel an odd feeling of shock across my body. It will pass. Awful way to die.

I have a question. This young man appeared to die quickly thankfully. But how exactly would this kill you. I thought it would be slow and very very painful.

Our governments need to wipe this disease of the planet by any means necessary.

im betting it's nearly impossible to not scream. and to be honest, screaming doesn't harm his dignity in the slightest.

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

Link to video?

Liveleak, Youtube, and Google isn't helping.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Thailand, i fucking hate you. Why you showing footage of him burning on your news? Was not prepared for that.

 

[kmag]

I made the mistake of wanting to see the video. I was hoping the poor chap defied them and held his dignity and didn't scream in agony. It seems like he did God bless him his soul.

I have to say I feel an odd feeling of shock across my body. It will pass. Awful way to die.

I have a question. This young man appeared to die quickly thankfully. But how exactly would this kill you. I thought it would be slow and very very painful.

Our governments need to wipe this disease of the planet by any means necessary.

I haven't watched the video (and I never will) but it depends on the size and location of the fire. If the fire is large and external then typically the actual cause of death would be Carbon Monoxide inhalation which would be pretty quick and relatively painless as it's most likely to kill you before the heat does any damage.

If he's been immolated then it's shock would probably kill him but it wouldn't be nice.

 

[-COOLIO-]

You go and do that then.

Crying for blood when you lack the balls to spill any.

Expecting real men to go out their to fight and put their lives on the line and suffer while you do fuck all, other than crave the blood of those elsewhere. Now that sounds fucked up to me. The military are not a tool to satisfy your own personal craving for death.

And yes the score is even.

Your level of hatred = their level of hatred.


There's a big difference between fighting against something and fighting for something.

guy, i get what youre trying to say but you can't equate angry, ultimately sympathetic posters on neogaf to daesh/isis/ass sweat lickers.

 

[BearFlexington]

I find it curious that in every Isis video, the perpetrators' uniforms are spotless.

 

[paolo11]

You go and do that then.

Crying for blood when you lack the balls to spill any.

Expecting real men to go out their to fight and put their lives on the line and suffer while you do fuck all, other than crave the blood of those elsewhere. Now that sounds fucked up to me. The military are not a tool to satisfy your own personal craving for death.

And yes the score is even.

Your level of hatred = their level of hatred.


There's a big difference between fighting against something and fighting for something.

I understand you are against violence and please don't think I am arguing against your point however...

What should be the best course of action? It seems that those groups do not listen to reason.

 

[Rich!]

I find it curious that in every Isis video, the perpetrators' uniforms are spotless.

That's part of the propaganda.

They arent going to be covered in shit in their promotional videos.

 

[The Incarnation]

Are you implying that the correct course of action is to do nothing/negotiate some kind of peace deal?

If you honestly think that you can deal that way with people WHO BURNED AND MAN ALIVE AND WATCHED HIM DIE AN AGONIZING DEATH you have seriously fucked up priorities

They longer they continue the worse it will get and the more people will join them



Its like we're living in an episode of Ghost in the Shell

Peace deal. Don't be silly.

The correct course of action, is to destroy the religion.

But no one wants to do that.

Belief in something so stupid is what has lead to this. History has demonstrated it time and time again.

 

[Bizazedo]

Peace deal. Don't be silly.

The correct course of action, is to destroy the religion.

But no one wants to do that.

Belief in something so stupid is what has lead to this. History has demonstrated it time and time again.

Well....that'll provoke some responses.

 

[RoadHazard]

And yes the score is even.

Your level of hatred = their level of hatred.

The difference is that my hatred of them is very, very justified. Their slaughter of innocents isn't. If you can't understand how that makes me and them different you're an idiot.

Peace deal. Don't be silly.

The correct course of action, is to destroy the religion.

But no one wants to do that.

Belief in something so stupid is what has lead to this. History has demonstrated it time and time again.

See, on this we completely agree. The problem is that it's way too late for this group. They need to go.

 

[esms]

You go and do that then.

Crying for blood when you lack the balls to spill any.

Expecting real men to go out their to fight and put their lives on the line and suffer while you do fuck all, other than crave the blood of those elsewhere. Now that sounds fucked up to me. The military are not a tool to satisfy your own personal craving for death.

And yes the score is even.

Your level of hatred = their level of hatred.


There's a big difference between fighting against something and fighting for something.

A voice of reason. Good.

Anyone who honestly wants a US military presence fighting ISIS is playing right into their hand. These people are terrorists, but they're not stupid.

 

[Gorger]

Middle Eastern nations must band together go in and purge this filth from the world just like the allies did with Nazism during world war 2 -- backed by western airstrikes, weapon support and professional training. I can't accept the world sitting idly by letting Daesh demolish the region for years to come without doing more to stop them. If nothing decisive is done there will be no hope for the middle eastern nations affected, and they will remain destitute and war-torn for generations to come. Daesh is a villainous scourge who revel in being as devilishly and inhumane as possible. Chaotic evil scumbags who wants to wreck havoc for the sake of causing misery and suffering towards others.

My heart bleeds for the Iraqis who have seen nothing but war, tyranny, suffering and extremism for decades with no clear sight of progression being made towards peace... it's all a sad, pathetic tragedy and waste of human lives...

 

[ThatGuyAgain]

Peace deal. Don't be silly.

The correct course of action, is to destroy the religion.

But no one wants to do that.

Belief in something so stupid is what has lead to this. History has demonstrated it time and time again.

Type type type, backspace, backspace, backspace.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[paolo11]

Peace deal. Don't be silly.

The correct course of action, is to destroy the religion.

But no one wants to do that.

Belief in something so stupid is what has lead to this. History has demonstrated it time and time again.

Destroying Islam (religion) is the solution? How can we do that then? This is actually a solution however isn't it virtually impossible to destroy religion?

Also, what about the victims who got beheaded? Surely we should do something about that, yes?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

.

The correct course of action, is to destroy the religion.

But no one wants to do that

Lovely ideas you have, you are aware the man they murdered was most likely a Muslim and was fighting against them?

 

[DrGonzo615]

I watched the video and feel sick to my stomach now...that was a huge mistake. Without going into detail, it looked like he suffered. If I were in his shoes I think I would have fought tooth and nail until they had to just shoot me. These people are fucking monsters, how somebody can inflict such horrors on another person, I just cant even fathom what goes through their heads. These people are fucking pure evil....I feel like I need to puke.

 

[The Incarnation]

Destroying Islam (religion) is the solution? How can we do that then?

Also, what about the victims who got beheaded? Surely we should do something about that, yes?

Does it really matter HOW the people die?

It's all brutal.

People go on about the innocents.

What about the people who get their hands chopped off for stealing bread, The stoning, the throwing off roofs for being gay, the whippings etc, etc. That shit ain't right either.

ISIS is merely a cancer in a body of perversions.

 

[The Incarnation]

Lovely ideas you have, you are aware the man they murdered was most likely a Muslim and was fighting against them?

Religion is about power over people.

The reason that shit won't fly in the west is because religion has little power over people.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Religion is about power over people.

The reason that shit won't fly in the west is because religion has little power over people.

Right, tell that to all the people not vaccinating their children. Or the individuals who didn't take their dying kids to the doctor.

The point is extremism exists everywhere, that is what you fight, there is nothing wrong with the majority of Muslims, Christians, etc.

 

[DrFurbs]

im betting it's nearly impossible to not scream. and to be honest, screaming doesn't harm his dignity in the slightest.

Yes bud but it's what they would have wanted to increase the horror. The soldier didn't. He was in pain but god bless him. He kept it together in very intense fire. He did not die from smoke inhalation.

Thanks to the other guy for explaining it was likely immolation.

I feel really quite emotional after seeing this. More so than other videos I have seen. My hatred for Dasesh is strong. They are invoking really strong emotions that they must be eliminated by any and all means necessary no matter what the cost.

 

[Raxious]

Peace deal. Don't be silly.

The correct course of action, is to destroy the religion.

But no one wants to do that.

Belief in something so stupid is what has lead to this. History has demonstrated it time and time again.

If we are to do this, we have to get rid of every religion, as most tend to end in conflict. The Crusades, Thirty Year's War etc. So should Christianity be destroyed as well?


Anyway, I'm still waiting until the West actually decides to go in with full military force. Also saw the video of the pilot getting burned alive. I was surprised they would actually burn him alive, seeing as all of their other videos have been of people getting beheaded. And for some reason, there were moments during the video where I thought it was fake.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Ok, then what is your solution?

They are beyond diplomacy. The innocents they have abducted are probably begging for death, if not just expecting it.

We need to extract who we can and pray for the rest.

Sorry if that sounds extreme. Trust me -I'm as liberal as liberal can be, but this just disturbing beyond belief.

In this case, it has gotten out of control. And you have copycat/sympathizers popping up all over the world BECAUSE ISIS has largely gone unchecked. Canada, France... their mentality is spreading like cancer.

The longer they exist, the longer they make these torture/execution videos, the more empowered their movement becomes. Whatever the hell their movement or cause is.

They need to be obliterated and pinpoint accuracy is not possible with sub-human filth who have no problem using innocent humans as meatshields or propaganda videos.

But I ask again. Before you judge me - WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?

Do not tell me I'm just as bad if you have nothing to offer as a legit solution to remove these creatures from existence.

WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?

A coordinated effort through the UN to send in a peacekeeping force while regional powers band further together and actually resolve to take on this group of cunts with air and logistical support from the US and other countries who may want to help.

The US could also apply pressure to Turkey to finally enter the fight once and for all and perhaps engage with other regional powers like Iran, who are completely opposed to the very idea of IS and wouldn't be against helping to purge them from Iraq and eventually Syria. Hell, why not engage the strongest and most powerful western ally in the region - Israel - to enter the fight?

Mass murdering innocent people to kill a small minority is never the answer, only an idiot thinks such a simplistic solution is the answer.

 

[Valhelm]

Peace deal. Don't be silly.

The correct course of action, is to destroy the religion.

But no one wants to do that.

Belief in something so stupid is what has lead to this. History has demonstrated it time and time again.

Yeah, because destroying Christianity was necessary to end Christian religious violence.

 

[GameGuru59]

Shepard smith describes the video for about 10 minutes here. Only three still images and its not a gore filled description. The way he describes it really makes Isis sound even worse than bin laden with how much effort they put into elaborate snuff films

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/shep-smith-gives-harrowing-description-of-isis-burning-prisoner-video/

Wow. It seems a brief moment of actual journalism broke out on Fox News.

 

[paolo11]

Does it really matter HOW the people die?

It's all brutal.

People go on about the innocents.

What about the people who get their hands chopped off for stealing bread, The stoning, the throwing off roofs for being gay, the whippings etc, etc. That shit ain't right either.

ISIS is merely a cancer in a body of perversions.

It is brutal. No one is questioning that.

So tell me, if you are against physical retaliation to those groups who does not listen to reason, what's the solution then? Destroying religion? Ok, but how?

The victims deserve justice.

To be honest, I don't know the solution that is why I am asking you or the board what solution we can think off. In my mind, I think retaliation is the best solution but that's just me. If someone is against violence and destroying religion is the solution, well tell me how it works.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Wow. It seems a brief moment of actual journalism broke out on Fox News.

You must not know about Shep Smith. He's the only actual journalist working at Fox News.

 

[Rush_Khan]

Peace deal. Don't be silly.

The correct course of action, is to destroy the religion.

But no one wants to do that.

You sound very extreme and insane. I would seek advice if I were you.

How do you expect to destroy an ideology which over 1 billion people have faith in?

 

[Mrmartel]

Right, tell that to all the people not vaccinating their children. Or the individuals who didn't take their dying kids to the doctor.

The point is extremism exists everywhere, that is what you fight, there is nothing wrong with the majority of Muslims, Christians, etc.

I don't think Christians represent this demographic. It's more of a Coastal Liberal elite thing.

That Sam Shep Monologue was very good.

 

[paolo11]

You sound very extreme and insane. I would seek advice if I were you.

How do you expect to destroy an ideology which over 1 billion people have faith in?

That's why I asked him how to do that. It seems he skipped my first question and answered something unrelated to my first question.

 

[kmax]

Correct me if i am wrong but if the Islamic world is so against ISIL/ISIS how come they are doing so little to handle this situation. Saudi Arabia, probably the richest country in the region, is doing nothing other then building a fence around their borders. Only one on the ground is some army made out of civilians with AK-47 and air support from western countries. It seems no one wants to get their hands dirty with fighting a ground war and actually rooting them out.

I would like to see the Islamic world to unite and fight the war on the ground and root them out once and for all. Why does the western world have to clean up the mess every single time, just to be shit on later.

The problem is that the Arab countries won't send troops in if the United States don't lead. It's a very complicated situation with two countries involved (Syria and Iraq), and no Arab country is going to invade another sovereignty without the United States heading the operation. It just won't happen.

 

[The Incarnation]

Destroying Islam (religion) is the solution? How can we do that then? This is actually a solution however isn't it virtually impossible to destroy religion?

Well how long is it going to take for people to say "Hang about, maybe the things we believe in are kind of fucked up"

Standing around throwing stones at people, and watching men haved their hands chopped off and women degraded daily, beheaded in public for even mere allegations, and suddenly people are shocked that a group like ISIS exists. If youre around that barbaric behaviour, and even passively support it, what do people expect?

The people are simply going have to want to progress. If not ISIS are just one of the many horrors to be faced in the future. We're seeing a similar issue in Nigeria.

And I'm sorry people may want to distance Islam from ISIS via calling them Daesh, but it's clear Islam itself is part of the root of the problem.

Meaning that the people are use to having it being a controling factor in their daily lives, and that will warp minds if left unchecked.

 

[Netherscourge]

If I could suggest a solution... the UN and all of its members step up with coordinated resources to methodically get rid of them as quickly as reasonably possible.

...

That is the typical generic "solution" and it never works.

What do you want the UN to do?

-Sanctions? Sanctions against who?

-More drone strikes? How is that any more accurate than an unconventional response?

-Throw together a rag-tag guerrilla battalion, arm them to the teeth and watch them hand over their weapons to ISIS?

Nobody has any viable solution. There is no viable solution. There is only a finite solution.

All the talking heads do is criticize others for wanting justice. People outside of the situation look down on it as if they are better than those who who want revenge. But they never offer any solutions. They simply have their own self-image agendas in mind.

I look at this situation as if it was a hijacked plane. The plane itself can be used as a weapon, therefore the innocent people on board who are being held hostage are, sadly, doomed no matter what. If need be, you destroy the plane over open land to prevent the hijackers from using it to kill anyone else. Yes, the innocent people on board would be killed. But nobody else would be killed. That was an option the military had on the table during 9/11.

Those poor people on board are doomed because it's impossible to save them without conceding to the terrorists.

It was up to the passengers to force the hands of their captors. We saw during 9/11 when the people on that one flight tried to storm the cockpit - the terrorists intentionally crashed the plane short of their destination because their hand was forced and those brave people on board did not want to die with their hands simply folded on their laps.

In this situation, ISIS can't have their hands forced. They simply kill anyone in their way outright or make propaganda out of their executions. They people they invade are unarmed and largely defenseless. And their hostages are reporters who simply report news.

I know it's hard to understand this for some people, but the people being held captive by ISIS are not in the situation where they can force anyone's hand. So, they are largely doomed no matter what.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

You sound very extreme and insane. I would seek advice if I were you.

How do you expect to destroy an ideology which over 1 billion people have faith in?

Think it through, how do you think someone would reach that goal?

People won't just give up their faith, so the only real solution left is...

Yeah.

 

[The Incarnation]

Yeah, because destroying Christianity was necessary to end Christian religious violence.

Destroying it's rule and control of nations certainly was.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I don't think Christians represent this demographic. It's more of a Coastal Liberal elite thing.

That Sam Shep Monologue was very good.

Really? Is that why Chris Christie, Ron Paul, among others have just came out against mandatory vaccination? Are those coastal liberals?

The point is though, you fight extremism, the idea of snuffing out Islam is just a crazy view.

 

[esms]

Think about what you are suggesting. Killing innocent people that include those that are fighting these barbarians, those that are living in fear under their rule, woman and children, etc.

I'm just as pissed as you are with these fucks but taking out countless innocent people to get rid of a target is not the solution.

If I could suggest a solution... the UN and all of its members step up with coordinated resources to methodically get rid of them as quickly as reasonably possible.

The UN is almost as worthless as the League of Nations was when dealing with violent conflicts. Just let it become the Arab League's problem and they'll eventually have to sort it out.

 

[The Incarnation]

Right, tell that to all the people not vaccinating their children. Or the individuals who didn't take their dying kids to the doctor.

Yes, because thats really on the same level as the things happening in the middle east and Africa currently.

I never said the whole of the west was cured of this plague of the mind either.

Long road ahead.

 

[Ikael]

We need to clone Tito Vespasian in order to pacify the middle east. The whole narrative about how "violence doesn't ever solve anything" seems clearly at lost whenever applied to ISIS or to any religious fanatic that ever existed.

 

[Sayad]

Shepard smith describes the video for about 10 minutes here. Only three still images and its not a gore filled description. The way he describes it really makes Isis sound even worse than bin laden with how much effort they put into elaborate snuff films

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/shep-smith-gives-harrowing-description-of-isis-burning-prisoner-video/

One thing he didn't stress enough is that the pilot was basically burned in an outdoor movie set, there were at least 4 mounted cameras focusing on the cage from various angles. Production value was something you'd expect from a high budget TV series. To think someone would die under these conditions, absolutely disgusting. I just hope his relatives never get to see it.

 

[The Incarnation]

How do you expect to destroy an ideology which over 1 billion people have faith in?

Education would be a start.

 

[paolo11]

Well how long is it going to take for people to say "Hang about, maybe the things we believe in are kind of fucked up"

Standing around throwing stones at people, and watching men haved their hands chopped off and women degraded daily, beheaded in public for even mere allegations, and suddenly people are shocked that a group like ISIS exists. If youre around that barbaric behaviour, and even passively support it, what do people expect?

The people are simply going have to want to progress. If not ISIS are just one of the many horrors to be faced in the future. We're seeing a similar issue in Nigeria.

And I'm sorry people may want to distance Islam from ISIS via calling them Daesh, but it's clear Islam itself is part of the root of the problem.

Meaning that the people are use to having it being a controling factor in their daily lives, and that will warp minds if left unchecked.

We are not sure that people will renounce their beliefs and yes, the way these group acts are barbaric. I truly believe that but since YOU said that religion should be destroyed solves the issue we are facing today, well, how can someone do that then?

 

[ThatGuyAgain]

...

That is the typical generic "solution" and it never works.

What do you want the UN to do?

-Sanctions? Sanctions against who?

-More drone strikes? How is that any more accurate than an unconventional response?

-Throw together a rag-tag guerrilla battalion, arm them to the teeth and watch them hand over their weapons to ISIS?

Nobody has any viable solution. There is no viable solution. There is only a finite solution.

All the talking heads do is criticize others for wanting justice. People outside of the situation look down on it as if they are better than those who who want revenge. But they never offer any solutions. They simply have their own self-image agendas in mind.

I look at this situation as if it was a hijacked plane. The plane itself can be used as a weapon, therefore the innocent people on board who are being held hostage are, sadly, doomed no matter what. If need be, you destroy the plane over open land to prevent the hijackers from using it to kill anyone else. Yes, the innocent people on board would be killed. But nobody else would be killed. That was an option the military had on the table during 9/11.

Those poor people on board are doomed because it's impossible to save them without conceding to the terrorists.

It was up to the passengers to force the hands of their captors. We saw during 9/11 when the people on that one flight tried to storm the cockpit - the terrorists intentionally crashed the plane short of their destination because their hand was forced and those brave people on board did not want to die with their hands simply folded on their laps.

In this situation, ISIS can't have their hands forced. They simply kill anyone in their way outright or make propaganda out of their executions. They people they invade are unarmed and largely defenseless. And their hostages are reporters who simply report news.

I know it's hard to understand this for some people, but the people being held captive by ISIS are not in the situation where they can force anyone's hand. So, they are largely doomed no matter what.

There is a big difference in the collatoral damage from a plane that has been hijacked and could be potentially used as a weapon to kill more people... than there is to deliberately wipe out 1000s of innocent families that happen to live in areas controlled by these barbarians.

There is no question this is a fucked up situation and going to be difficult to deal with, but dropping a bomb on all of the areas they took control over is not the solution.

The UN is almost as worthless as the League of Nations was when dealing with violent conflicts. Just let it become the Arab League's problem and they'll eventually have to sort it out.

I agree to an extent, but if the Arab League doesn't step up real quick, the rest of the world has to.

 

[Jotaka]

I am all for end of religion because after that people need to find better excuse for their bullshit and don't hide behind a some fairy tale that someone decided is not PC to speak about.