Support NeoGAF

[Dyno]

Yes, Islam is incompatible with absolute freedom and complete equality. Too bad nature is the same. Islam only tries to compensate where nature made us unequal. Women are physically weaker than men. Islam provides ways to protect women from predators who take advantage of this biological fact.

What I find odd about a lot of people attacking Islam is that they judge the religion based on their sense of morality. Guess what? Your sense of morality is shaped by society. You think men and women are equal? Then why are most rapists men? Why are men more involved in homicide? Why are women more likely to commit suicide? Why are men expected to provide child support even if the man did not want the woman to have the child?

Also, can you please tell me what "different groups of people" Islam is intolerant towards? Do you even know what intolerance is?

Islam gives different rights to different people. No one has more right than the other if one is a Muslim - and this is the case with any religion, where believers are superior to the non-believers. But even then, non-Muslims (and thus, non-citizens) are provided greater rights than non-citizens living in secular democracies.

This is terrible justification! It amounts to you saying it's a fucked up world so we need a fucked up religion to even everything out.

 

[Hindle]

What does the term worldwide Khalifa mean?

 

[RustyNails]

How common is it for muslims to greet infidels with their "shit hand"? (i saw this in a documentary). What's your personal opinion about it and what do the imams in your sect of islam recommend? Do and if yes what says the quran or the hadiths about it?

I greet infidels with my shit hand all the time. I actually carry spare poop in my pocket so when a infidel walks by, i make sure to use it.

 

[Maninthemirror]

How common is it for muslims to greet infidels with their "shit hand"? (i saw this in a documentary). What's your personal opinion about it and what do the imams in your sect of islam recommend? Do and if yes what says the quran or the hadiths about it?

Infidels? Shit Hand? Wtf

 

[Terra Firma]

This is terrible justification! It amounts to you saying it's a fucked up world so we need a fucked up religion to even everything out.

What the alternative suggests is that we all become blind to what naturally exists. Men have a higher libido -> men can easily become sexually frustrated -> some with a mental illness resort to rape to vent their libido or pent up aggression. We can all talk about equality but men and women are different at both physical and psychological levels. Islam takes these differences into consideration.

Men are also naturally more aggressive than women, more prone to get into physical fights, more prone to be imprisoned, etc. Women also sabotage each other a lot and are more psychological fighters. Women bullies, for example, usually reserve themselves to verbal insults, whereas male bullies are involved in both physical and verbal abuse.

 

[Terra Firma]

What does the term worldwide Khalifa mean?

A khalifa is a caliph, the ruler of an Islamic state. A khilafah is a caliphate. A worldwide khilafah means worldwide rule of a caliph. It is usually an Islamophobic fearmongering term. Muslims don't even have a khilafah in their own lands.

 

[kobashi100]

What does the term worldwide Khalifa mean?

Khilafah or caliphate is the ruler of the islamic state in Islam. Worldwide khilafah means having one ruler for all Muslim countries.

Nation states does not exist in Islam and nationalism is clearly forbidden.

The khilafah must govern according the sharia. The caliph is elected and is not a dictator or tyrannical ruler.

The last caliph was abolished in 1924 by mustafa kemal Atatürk.

Muslims still strive to see the khilafah re-established today.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Yes, Islam is incompatible with absolute freedom and complete equality. Too bad nature is the same. Islam only tries to compensate where nature made us unequal. Women are physically weaker than men. Islam provides ways to protect women from predators who take advantage of this biological fact.

What I find odd about a lot of people attacking Islam is that they judge the religion based on their sense of morality. Guess what? Your sense of morality is shaped by society. You think men and women are equal? Then why are most rapists men? Why are men more involved in homicide? Why are women more likely to commit suicide? Why are men expected to provide child support even if the man did not want the woman to have the child?

Also, can you please tell me what "different groups of people" Islam is intolerant towards? Do you even know what intolerance is?

Islam gives different rights to different people. No one has more right than the other if one is a Muslim - and this is the case with any religion, where believers are superior to the non-believers. But even then, non-Muslims (and thus, non-citizens) are provided greater rights than non-citizens living in secular democracies.

The problem is more that Islam seems to be incompatible with the Western way of live. No one would give a damn if Islam people would just seperate themselves. But they do not. They go into Western countries but do not adopt very well or at all. And since Islam people have strong family values, they prosper which just makes things worse. It's like a fast rising incompatible community within another community.

For instace, I always find it kind of odd how it's totally unacceptable for a Islam women to be with a man of another religion. IMO as a parent it is not acceptable to be against this if you live in a country that is not your own. Doing stuff like this is like asking for social disconcertment.

 

[berg ark]

NO. In fact, smoking or any tobacco product is not allowed either but many Muslims don't follow this. It's haraam, but some Hanafi scholars say it is makruh (offensive act). "Do not make your own hands the cause of your destruction" is said in the Quran which means suicide, intoxicants, self-harm.

Couldn't an unhealthy diet also be appliable to "do not take your own hands the cause of your destruction". Being overweight can do as much, if not more, harm than smoking or drinking alcohol.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

Not allowed.

And just for trivia, they actually suggesting human shouldn't be totally naked in sex activity.

The reasoning for this because they're not a animal and there's angel that witnessing your daily act.

Not allowed because it specifically says so in the Koran?

or not allowed cuz nuff Islamic Scholars and such say so?

 

[Maninthemirror]

Denomination: Ahmad Muslim

Q&A


What is Islam's view on Jews

Islam requires Muslims to respect people of all faiths and this clearly includes followers of Judaism.

Jews are regarded as one of the groups of people described as ‘People of the Book’. This is a title given to two groups of people; the Jews and the Christians, both of which were given guidelines directly by their founders, Moses(as) and Jesus(as) respectively.
Furthermore Islam does not condemn any individual since everyone has an equal opportunity to earn God’s pleasure. So Jews also have the same opportunity and have been respected in Islam and Islamic communities. When the Prophet(saw) travelled to Madinah and was made Head of the State, he made a treaty with the Jews based completely on fairness and equal opportunities. Another example would be the Golden Age of Jewish culture in the Iberian Peninsula, that being when the Muslims ruled Spain in the eight century. The Qur’an does note that some Jews were responsible for seeking to have Jesus(as) – a prophet of God – killed on the cross and this earned them God’s displeasure. However as mentioned above this in no way means that all Jews are guilty or indeed punishable as the Qur’an states that,

Surely, the Believers, and the Jews and the Christians and the Sabians - whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds, shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them nor shall they grieve. (Ch.2: V.63).

Indeed according to Islam there have been many great Jews and it is worthy to note that most of the prophets mentioned in the Qur’an were Jewish, (eg Moses(as), Aaron(as), David(as), Solomon(as), Elijah(as), John the Baptist(as) and Jesus(as)

Are non muslims allowed inside mosques?

The Qur’an does not prohibit anyone from visiting a mosque (provided they are not there to cause trouble) as it is a House of God that can and should be used for the worship of God by all. Only idolatry is prohibited in a mosque but even then all are welcome to visit a mosque. This declaration against idolatry in a mosque was to protect the Ka’aba (and therefore any mosque) and to ensure that it would remain a sanctuary for those who believe in the Oneness of God.
According to Islam non-Muslims are even allowed in the Sacred Mosque in Makkah and Madinah.

It is recorded that the Christians of Najran came to see the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw). He arranged the meeting in his mosque at Madinah, during the meeting the Christians asked leave from the mosque for worship. The Prophet (saw) said that the mosque in which they were was a house of God and they were welcome to offer their prayers there. So they did offer their prayers in the mosque of the Holy Prophet (saw) (Ibn Hisham, I, 575-577)

What is the difference between Ahmadi Muslims and other denominations

Ahmadi Muslims follow the same holy scriptures and teachings as other Muslims. The key difference is that Ahmadi Muslims believe that the Promised Messiah (also referred to as the Mahdi in some texts) of the latter days has arrived and he established the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in 1889. It is a revivalist movement that has no new religious laws or teachings as it seeks to rejuvenate the true Islam as taught by the Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw). Other Muslims are still waiting for a reformer to come.

As with all other Muslims, Ahmadi Muslims believe in the ‘Five Pillars of Islam’, and the ‘Six Articles of Faith’. They follow the same holy scripture (The Holy Qur’an), and accept that Islam is the final and perfect religion for mankind. They also believe in Prophet Muhammad(saw) as Khataman Nabiyyeen (the ‘Seal of the Prophets’) as he was the one who was the best model for mankind who brought God’s final and perfect message for mankind.

Ahmadi Muslims also follow the Islamic sources of guidance and jurisprudence– which is sourced from three main authorities:

The Holy Qur’an;
The Sunnah (practice of the Holy Prophet (saw)); and
The Hadith (sayings of the Holy Prophet(saw)) as given in the authentic books of Hadith such as Sahih Al Bukhari, Sahih Al Muslim, Sunan Abu Daud,Tirmidhi, Ibne Maja and Nisai
(Ahmadi Muslims also have regard for the interpretation of Islamic Laws (shariah) provided by the classical Islamic scholars. They generally follow the Hanafi school of thought, but all such matters are considered in light of the guidance provided by the Promised Messiah(as)).

Despite this abundance of guidance Muslims, like followers of all religions before them, were destined to drift away from the true teachings of Islam. This decay was to be followed by the revival of Islam through the messiah of the latter days as prophesied by the Holy Prophet(saw). So whilst all Muslims expect a messiah to appear it is only the question of the identity and acceptance of the messiah that distinguishes Ahmadi Muslims from all other Muslims.

In some Hadith the messiah is referred to as ‘Jesus son of Mary’ and in others he is referred to as ‘Al-Mahdi’.

It is interesting to note that there are also similar such prophecies in other religions that tell of a messiah who was to appear in the ‘latter days’; for example, Christians are awaiting the second advent of Jesus(as).

Ahmadi Muslims believe that the messiah who was promised has come and that he was a single person who fulfilled all the prophecies relating to such a messiah not just in Islam but also in all religions. This was to be a unifying factor for all humanity and a means of uniting people under Islam, as it is the perfect religion for man.

Ahmadi Muslims believe that the Promised Messiah was Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) who was born in Qadian, India and under Divine guidance he established the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in 1889. The community seeks to revive the same spirit and understanding of Islam that existed at the time of the Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw).

Some other Muslims on the other hand believe that the Promised Messiah has not yet arrived and that when he does he will be the very same Jesus Son of Mary who was sent to the Jews over 2000 years earlier as the Messiah. They believe that he ascended bodily to heaven and that he will return to earth bodily as a sign signifying his second advent. They further believe that he will slaughter all the pigs on earth and break all crosses. According to them he will also force everyone to accept Islam.

Ahmadi Muslims believe that such prophecies are metaphorical in nature. So, for example, the Messiah was not to force people to accept Islam, but rather the force of his arguments, reasoning and spiritual insight would demonstrate the truth of Islam and attract people to Islam.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is now established globally with branches in over 180 countries and its membership is in tens of millions. It is a peace loving community that believes in and acts upon its principle of ‘Love for All, Hatred for None’, a principle that reflects the essence of Islam.

What is Islam's view on obedience of the law of the land, like USA?

In Islam obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty. The Qur'an commands Muslims to remain faithful to not only Allah and the Prophet Muhammad (saw), but also the authority they live under:

O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority over you (Ch.4: V.60).

Any country or government that guarantees religious freedom to followers of different faiths (not just Islam) must be owed loyalty. The Prophet Muhammad (saw) stressed this point when he said:

‘One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.’ (Muslim)

The present head of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hadhrat Mirza
Masroor Ahmad (aba), has also explained:

‘A true Muslim can never raise his voice in hatred against his fellow citizens, nor for that matter against the ruling authority or government of the time. It is the responsibility of a true Muslim that he should remain loyal and fully abide by the laws of the land of which he is a subject.’
(Baitul Futuh Inauguration Reception, 11 Oct 2003)

This makes clear that according to Islam Muslims must obey the law of the land as anything to the contrary would mean that they are not obeying their Prophet or their religion.

Are muslims supposed to be more loyal to their faith than their own country?

Islam does not draw any distinction between loyalty to one's faith and nation. Muslims who enjoy the liberty to practice and preach their faith are required to honour the government of their country, and to live as decent, law-abiding citizens.

For the first thirteen years of his ministry, Prophet Muhammad(saw) and his followers were persecuted citizens in Makkah, yet within that period they never raised arms against their oppressors as they were still able to fulfill certain religious duties.

Prophet Muhammad(saw) is reported to have said:

‘Love for one's country is part of faith’ (Sakhavi)

Muslims are therefore required to live by this noble teaching and remain loyal to their country. [see also ‘What is Islam’s view on obedience to the law of the land?’]

 

[Alucrid]

A prostitute was granted jannah (paradise) for simply giving water to a thirsty dog.

is that a metaphor?

 

[Messofanego]

Couldn't an unhealthy diet also be appliable to "do not take your own hands the cause of your destruction". Being overweight can do as much, if not more, harm than smoking or drinking alcohol.

I wouldn't know about obesity specifically, but gluttony is a sin in Christianity, so I'm guessing it applies the same to Islam.

 

[WorriedCitizen]

I greet infidels with my shit hand all the time. I actually carry spare poop in my pocket so when a infidel walks by, i make sure to use it.

Infidels? Shit Hand? Wtf

Let's assume you really don't know what i'm talking about. There was this documentary about muslims in Britain. Some of them made it a point to greet all non believers (infidels) with their left hand (the one that muslims are supposed to use for cleaning their butt afaik).

 

[Terra Firma]

The problem is more that Islam seems to be incompatible with the Western way of live. No one would give a damn if Islam people would just seperate themselves. But they do not. They go into Western countries but do not adopt very well or at all. And since Islam people have strong family values, they prosper which just makes things worse. It's like a fast rising incompatible community within another community.

For instace, I always find it kind of odd how it's totally unacceptable for a Islam women to be with a man of another religion. IMO as a parent it is not acceptable to be against this if you live in a country that is not your own. Doing stuff like this is like asking for social disconcertment.

Then blame Western countries for having lax immigration policies. A lot of Muslims are also not immigrants, but converts. In fact, most first generation immigrants tend to be secular leaning Muslims who only come to the West seeking better employment opportunities.

And that rule is not restricted to women. Men are also restricted. According to many scholars, Muslim men cannot even marry Christians as the Christians of today hold beliefs completely different from the Christians of the past. The only exception would be Orthodox Jews, where a Muslim may marry an Orthodox Jewess. Does that happen? I haven't heard of it. So, in all practical sense, even Muslim men cannot do this.

Do some Muslim men do this? Yes. Are they adhering to the religion? Of course not. I know a few Muslim men who are in relationships with Buddhists and Hindus; that doesn't mean that what they're doing is right.

Also, how exactly do Muslims restrict themselves as compared to any other non-Christian community that has a strong attachment to religion? Orthodox Jews also are insulated because of a shared culture and strong adherence to religion.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Let's assume you really don't know what i'm talking about. There was this documentary about muslims in Britain. Some of them made it a point to greet all non believers (infidels) with their left hand (the one that muslims are supposed to use for cleaning their butt afaik).

Those people who do this if they do this are screwed in the head aka mentally unable to comprehend Islamic
Teachings

 

[Terra Firma]

is that a metaphor?

No, it's from a hadeeth.

Couldn't an unhealthy diet also be appliable to "do not take your own hands the cause of your destruction". Being overweight can do as much, if not more, harm than smoking or drinking alcohol.

That is the precise reason for the difference of opinion. In fact, there is more evidence against having an unhealthy diet (there is a hadeeth that mentions having a large belly as a negative) than against smoking (it wasn't done during the time of the Prophet PBUH so there is no narration for it).

But in Islam, anything that harms your body or puts your body at risk is at the very least, disliked (makrooh).

I wouldn't know about obesity specifically, but gluttony is a sin in Christianity, so I'm guessing it applies the same to Islam.

In Islam, excesses in general (israaf, luxuriousness) are forbidden. We are forbidden from being excessively reclused from the world, just how we are forbidden from being excessively entrenched in it.

As for obesity, it is specifically mentioned in a negative light. Even eating meat regularly is contrary to the sunnah.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Is suicide bombing ever under any circumstance justifiable?

No.

First and foremost The Holy Qur’an clearly sets out the prohibition of the taking of one’s own life ie suicide,

…And kill not yourselves. Surely Allah is Merciful to you. And whoso does that by way of transgression and injustice, We shall cast him into Fire; and that easy with Allah. (Ch.4: V.30-31)

Suicide amounts to nothing less than murder and is thus repulsive in Islam, which is a religion that champions the sanctity of life,

…whosoever killed a person - unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land - it shall be as if he killed all mankind; and whoso gave life to one , it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.’’ (Ch.5: V.33)

The forbiddance of suicide is further observed in the saying of the Holy Prophet(saw),

‘… And whoever commits suicide with a piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire." Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.’

(Bukhari Vol. 2, Bk. 23, No. 445)

Suicide is therefore unconditionally forbidden. When it is used as a mechanism to murder others then it becomes an even greater sin. As a protest against intentional suicide the Holy Prophet (saw) has forbidden to observe funeral prayer for a person who commits suicide, [unless the person was mentally ill].

 

[Zapages]

Let's assume you really don't know what i'm talking about. There was this documentary about muslims in Britain. Some of them made it a point to greet all non believers (infidels) with their left hand (the one that muslims are supposed to use for cleaning their butt afaik).

seriously avatar quote... Wow, WTF?!

 

[Ydahs]

Let's assume you really don't know what i'm talking about. There was this documentary about muslims in Britain. Some of them made it a point to greet all non believers (infidels) with their left hand (the one that muslims are supposed to use for cleaning their butt afaik).

Any documentary which tries to paint the picture that this is accepted among Muslims clearly has an agenda.

 

[fertygo]

Not allowed because it specifically says so in the Koran?

or not allowed cuz nuff Islamic Scholars and such say so?

There's hadith that say so, quick google search.
http://www.islamhelpline.com/node/2584

I personally hear it from my oestad (teacher)

But there's people that disagree with this on this thread, its fine Hadith aren't absolute like people already answered.

 

[kobashi100]

Denomination: Ahmad Muslim

Q&A


What is Islam's view on Jews




Are non muslims allowed inside mosques?





What is the difference between Ahmadi Muslims and other denominations



What is Islam's view on obedience of the law of the land, like USA?




Are muslims supposed to be more loyal to their faith than their own country?

That love for one's country or homeland is part of faith is a weak hadith.

Muslims should obey the law in a non Muslim or muslim land for that matter but our allegiance is with Allah and not with some nation flag whether that's Muslim or non Muslim land.

 

[Joel Was Right]

How common is it for muslims to greet infidels with their "shit hand"? (i saw this in a documentary). What's your personal opinion about it and what do the imams in your sect of islam recommend? Do and if yes what says the quran or the hadiths about it?

wat

Let's assume you really don't know what i'm talking about. There was this documentary about muslims in Britain. Some of them made it a point to greet all non believers (infidels) with their left hand (the one that muslims are supposed to use for cleaning their butt afaik).

You may want to re-evaluate what was shown in that documentary then.

 

[Maninthemirror]

That love for one's country or homeland is part of faith is a weak hadith.

Muslims should obey the law in a non Muslim or muslim land for that matter but our allegiance is with Allah and not with some nation flag whether that's Muslim or non Muslim land.

Allah has told muslims to obey country laws you live in, so to not obey them means you are going against Allah's command. If those laws hinder you and you cannot follow those laws, you need to find another country which suits you better

 

[Terra Firma]

There's hadith that say so, quick google search.
http://www.islamhelpline.com/node/2584

I personally hear it from my oestad (teacher)

But there's people that disagree with this on this thread, its fine Hadith aren't absolute like people already answered.

There is no such hadeeth, as the link itself explains. In fact, the opposite is what is mentioned in an actual hadeeth:

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3115 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Umar
Allah's Messenger (saws) said, "Avoid being naked, for with you are those (Angels) who never leave you, except when you are relieving yourselves and when a man has intercourse with his wife; so observe modesty before them and honour them."

 

[kurisu_1974]

What the alternative suggests is that we all become blind to what naturally exists. Men have a higher libido -> men can easily become sexually frustrated -> some with a mental illness resort to rape to vent their libido or pent up aggression. We can all talk about equality but men and women are different at both physical and psychological levels. Islam takes these differences into consideration.

Men are also naturally more aggressive than women, more prone to get into physical fights, more prone to be imprisoned, etc. Women also sabotage each other a lot and are more psychological fighters. Women bullies, for example, usually reserve themselves to verbal insults, whereas male bullies are involved in both physical and verbal abuse.

So basically, punish everyone for the faults of some.

 

[fertygo]

I never see anything like that about "shit hand" act..

There is no such hadeeth, as the link itself explains. In fact, the opposite is what is mentioned in an actual hadeeth:

uh, ok..

I'd definitely ask this to my teacher.

 

[Terra Firma]

So basically, punish everyone for the faults of some.

How is taking preventative measures the same as punishment? The punishment for rape in Islam is death; you don't see a summary execution of all males in Muslim countries, do you?

"I'm a safe driver and sometimes I feel like speeding. Why am I being punished by arbitrary speed limits?"

 

[Messofanego]

How common is it for muslims to greet infidels with their "shit hand"? (i saw this in a documentary). What's your personal opinion about it and what do the imams in your sect of islam recommend? Do and if yes what says the quran or the hadiths about it?

lol first time I've heard of this, is the "shit hand" the left? I've greeted every man with my right hand, so it would feel weird going with the left.

 

[kurisu_1974]

How is taking preventative measures the same as punishment? The punishment for rape in Islam is death; you don't see a summary execution of all males in Muslim countries, do you?

"I'm a safe driver and sometimes I feel like speeding. Why am I being punished by arbitrary speed limits?"

Wrapping up women in sheets, telling me what I can eat, smoke and drink? How is that not punishment? We're talking victimless actions and personal preferences, speeding puts your environment in danger.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Then blame Western countries for having lax immigration policies. A lot of Muslims are also not immigrants, but converts. In fact, most first generation immigrants tend to be secular leaning Muslims who only come to the West seeking better employment opportunities.

I already expected that statement. Think you're making it too easy for yourself. It's everyones duty to respect and adopt to the culture he or she moving in to. And especially Islam people seem to be very unwilling when it comes to this. Not only is this very unfair to the locals but it's also very provoking. And I know what I am talking about because I'm also a foreigner in the country I'm living in now.

Also, how exactly do Muslims restrict themselves as compared to any other non-Christian community that has a strong attachment to religion? Orthodox Jews also are insulated because of a shared culture and strong adherence to religion.

You're right. There's probably not much difference. But like I said, it doesn't get to be a problem before said community become too numerous - which Islam has become in the past decade it seems throughout large parts of Europe.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Wrapping up women in sheets, telling me what I can eat, smoke and drink? How is that not punishment? We're talking victimless actions and personal preferences, speeding puts your environment in danger.

Burka is recommended but not mandatory, same with Hijab. The benefits of not eating pork and drinking alcohol are greater than eating or drinking them. Islam says men are prone to sexism and indecency so the hijab is a recommended preventative measure. The focus by Islam is preventative measures. Islam says there no compulsion is religion. Do what you want, but bear the worldy consequences too through nature and society

 

[RustyNails]

I already expected that statement. Think you're making it too easy for yourself. It's everyones duty to respect and adopt to the culture he or she moving in to. And especially Islam people seem to be very unwilling when it comes to this. Not only is this very unfair to the locals but it's also very provoking. And I know what I am talking about because I'm also a foreigner in the country I'm living in now.

By adapting to western culture, do you mean wearing clothes like the native people, eat their food and practice the cultural mores like clubbing, intermingling and what not? If not, please do explain what you mean by respect and adopt to the culture.

 

[GSG Flash]

Bunch of answers

If I was a non-muslim, this post would make Islam a very unappealing religion(though I think all religions, not just Islam, are way past their expiry date).

 

[Stinkles]

The problem is more that Islam seems to be incompatible with the Western way of live. No one would give a damn if Islam people would just seperate themselves. But they do not. They go into Western countries but do not adopt very well or at all. And since Islam people have strong family values, they prosper which just makes things worse. It's like a fast rising incompatible community within another community.

For instace, I always find it kind of odd how it's totally unacceptable for a Islam women to be with a man of another religion. IMO as a parent it is not acceptable to be against this if you live in a country that is not your own. Doing stuff like this is like asking for social disconcertment.

this is a broad brush. And could be applied to westerners who move to Qatar. Should they embrace Islam? Wear robes? Speak Arabic?

my Muslim friends growing up drank and chased girls and spoke mangled Punjabi. My current Muslim friends are engineers, married to westerners or work in the state department. All immigrants start in cloistered ghettos - some assimilate, some don't.

 

[Trojita]

Who the fuck is this cracker character? And where is my biscuit!

 

[kurisu_1974]

Do what you want, but bear the worldy consequences too through nature and society

Thanks, I will, but somehow I don't think that is what Islam is about at all.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Thanks, I will, but somehow I don't think that is what Islam is about at all.

Are you a muslim?

 

[JimmyRustler]

By adapting to western culture, do you mean wearing clothes like the native people, eat their food and practice the cultural mores like clubbing, intermingling and what not? If not, please do explain what you mean by respect and adopt to the culture.

Allowing cross religion relationship. With it, there is adaptation. Without it, there is none. Simple as that.
Everything you just mentioned are just small beans.

 

[Kurdel]

The benefits of not eating pork and drinking alcohol are greater than eating or drinking them.

What are the benefits of not eating pork or not drinking alcohol?

 

[kurisu_1974]

Are you a muslim?

Why would you think I am?

By adapting to western culture, do you mean wearing clothes like the native people, eat their food and practice the cultural mores like clubbing, intermingling and what not? If not, please do explain what you mean by respect and adopt to the culture.

I think he means not bitching about 'revealing' advertisements, cartoons, clothing of others, attempts to censor free speech, basically stuff they wouldn't appreciate us doing to them.

 

[fertygo]

I already expected that statement. Think you're making it too easy for yourself. It's everyones duty to respect and adopt to the culture he or she moving in to. And especially Islam people seem to be very unwilling when it comes to this. Not only is this very unfair to the locals but it's also very provoking. And I know what I am talking about because I'm also a foreigner in the country I'm living in now.

What that muslims does so different than other?
You have example? because I'm curious.. living in country that the majority are muslims, I think the only thing different from us is we doing prayer 5 time a days. We have many rules but that the most applicable in daily routine are only the obligatory prayers.
So I'm curious what the muslims does in non-majority country that count as "pushing our rules"

From my experience mosque in country like that not even use speaker for adzan.

 

[Maninthemirror]

What is Islam's concept of equality between a man and a woman

A: The Holy Qur’an states that all believers, without distinction, are equal and that only righteous deeds elevate one person above another. Muslims therefore have an immense respect for righteous and pious men and women. Islamic history also tells us that men and women both served in many capacities from being teachers, doctors, leaders and even as soldiers in battle when Muslims were under attack.

Islam however also recognises that such equality does not mean that men and women are the same. It notes their different physical and emotional strengths and in view of this sets out their key roles in life. The roles are therefore not a question of superiority or inferiority, but a question of natural capacity and proper functioning.

For example men have been assigned the duty to work and provide for their family and women have been assigned the role of motherhood and of looking after the household.

Islam places equal importance on both and also stresses that the roles are not exclusive nor inflexible. This does not mean that women cannot work or serve society or that men have no duties or responsibilities for their children or for their household.

It is interesting to note that where women choose to work the money they earn is theirs and the husband has no right over it, whereas a husband must provide financially for the whole family.

All of this is in direct contrast to the status of women before the advent of Islam

I wonder why the critics of islam don't focus on the bolded part....lol

Are women inferior to men in Islam?

According to Islam women are not considered inferior to men. Men and women have similar rights and in some areas women actually enjoy certain privileges that the men do not. In terms of property, marriage and divorce women have been given rights and in fact at each turn they have been considered and provided for as appropriate. It is true to say that Islam gave women rights which are unparalleled in the history of women.

Allah has declared in the Holy Qur’an that He has created men and women as equal beings.

He has created you from a single being; then from that He made its mate.
(Ch 39: V.7)

There is also a hadith of the Holy Prophet(saw) that:

‘A person who is blessed with a daughter or daughters and makes no discrimination between them and his sons and brings them up with kindness and affection, will be as close to me in Paradise as my forefinger and middle finger are to each other.’
(Muslim II, Section Beneficence).

The above removes any concept of inferiority leveled at women in Islam. Furthermore, there are many references in the Holy Qur’an that refer to the various spheres of life where the status of women has been elevated.

In summary Islam is the only religion that gives women the right to an education, property rights, the right of inheritance, and freedom of marriage and divorce. Similar rights were not available to women in Europe for many centuries after the advent of Islam.

Spiritual Status
The Holy Qur’an repeatedly proclaims men and women’s equality in spiritual status:

But whoso does good works, whether male or female, and is a believer, such shall enter Heaven
(Ch.4: V.125)

Surely, men who submit themselves to God and women who submit themselves to Him, and believing men and believing women, and obedient men and obedient women and truthful men and truthful women, and men steadfast in their faith and steadfast women, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms, and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their chastity and women who guard their chastity, and men who remember Allah much and women who remember Him – Allah has prepared for all of them forgiveness and a great reward.
(Ch.33: V.36)

The Holy Qur’an is unique amongst all scriptures. It repeatedly emphasises this equality by addressing both men and women in its verses.

Islam teaches that both men and women are equal in the sight of God. Allah states in the Holy Qur’an:

But whoso does good works, whether male or female, and is a believer, such shall enter Heaven, and shall not be wronged even as much as the little hollow in the back of a date-stone.
(Ch.4: V.125)
And think of the day when thou wilt see the believing men and the believing women, their light running before them and on their right hands, and it will be said to them, ‘Glad tidings for you this day! Gardens through which streams flow, wherein you will abide. That is the supreme triumph.’
(Ch. 57: V.13)
Whoso acts righteously, whether male or female and is a believer, We will surely grant him a pure life; and We will surely bestow on such their reward according to the best of their works.
(Ch.16: V.98)
This makes clear that in Islam there is equality between men and women.

Intellectual Status
On the intellectual level Islam stresses that education is equally important for men and women. The Holy Prophet(saw) said:

‘It is the duty of every Muslim man and every Muslim woman to acquire knowledge’ (Ibne Majah)

Islam gave women the right to an education over 1500 years ago. In contrast, it was not until 1886 that women were permitted to sit exams at Cambridge University and it was not until 1948 that the university would confer academic degrees on them. Women were first admitted to Oxford University in 1920.

Economic Status
On the economic front, Islam entitles women to possess money, property and other assets. (Ch.4:V.33 – … Men shall have their share of that which they have earned, and women a share of that which they have earned…). Upon marriage the husband is required to give his wife a dowry which then becomes her exclusive property. A woman can work for financial gain, without any obligation on her part to contribute to the household expenses. Islam also gives her inheritance rights, making it a requirement for women to get their determined share.

In terms of inheritance the Qur’an states that,

For men is a share of that which parents and near relations leave; and for women is a share of that which parents and near relations leave, whether it be little or much - a determined share
(Ch.4: V.8)

In England, women could not own their own property until 1882 (any property a woman had would automatically become her husband’s). Islam on the other hand has always given women economic rights including: ownership of assets and property, earnings from work and rights of inheritance. It is interesting to contrast this against the fact that widows in England gained the right to inherit their husband’s property after 1890 – a right that Islam had given to women over twelve centuries earlier.

Social Status
Islam elevated the social status of women by ensuring that their they are treated respectfully by their husbands, sons and fathers.

A husband and wife have an equal role to play in providing support, comfort and protection for one another, fitting each other like a garment fits the body. (They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. (Ch. 2:188))

The Holy Prophet (saw) has said,

‘The best among you is he who is best In his treatment towards his wife.’ (Abu Daud)

Women also have equal rights in marriage as well in divorce.

As a mother emphasis is placed on giving full consideration and respect to her needs and wishes. The Holy Prophet(saw) has said,

‘Paradise lies under the feet of your mother.’ (Nisai)

Men and women are not the same
Whilst there is no disputing the equality of men and women it is important to note that according to Islam men and women have been created in different forms for different but complementary purposes. This stresses a difference in role and nature but not a difference in status (as illustrated above).

On one occasion, the Holy Prophet (saw) explained that woman is by nature like the rib bone, (Bukhari) meaning that she performs her function in the scheme of things by virtue of the very qualities in which she differs from man and that it would be foolish on the part of man to attempt to cast her into his own mould. Her charm lies in being what she is and not in becoming an image of man.

 

[JimmyRustler]

this is a broad brush. And could be applied to westerners who move to Qatar. Should they embrace Islam? Wear robes? Speak Arabic?

No, but respect it. No. Yes.

my Muslim friends growing up drank and chased girls and spoke mangled Punjabi. My current Muslim friends are engineers, married to westerners or work in the state department. All immigrants start in cloistered ghettos - some assimilate, some don't.

You misunderstood me. I don't say all people are the same. I met many Islam people that adopted just very well. Nevertheless it very often seems that those are just a dime in dozen. And this is comeing from someone who grew up around Muslims.

 

[RustyNails]

Allowing cross religion relationship. With it, there is adaptation. Without it, there is none. Simple as that.
Everything you just mentioned are just small beans.

Such a weird definition of "adopting western culture". Is your only criteria for adopting western culture is inter marriage between Muslims and Non Muslims? So when a black person marries a white person, is the black person "adopting white culture", or vice versa?

 

[LaserBuddha]

Whenever i hear Muslims explain the sexes to me,I feel like I've gone back a hundred years to one of those labs where they examine the skull measurements of different races to determine their brain function and create weird masturbation machines to cure wives of their hysteria.

I've heard said in another thread that condemning the hijab just reinforces the idea that Muslim women have no agency and will have the affect of actually reducing their agency. I'm curious what kind of effect the idea of "cover yourself to dissuade rape" has by that same logic.

(INB4 the hijab not being mandatory having anything to do with what I'm saying.]

 

[Maninthemirror]

Such a weird definition of "adopting western culture". Is your only criteria for adopting western culture is inter marriage between Muslims and Non Muslims? So when a black person marries a white person, is the black person "adopting white culture", or vice versa?

Lol! That is quite a good counter analogy

 

[Terra Firma]

Wrapping up women in sheets, telling me what I can eat, smoke and drink? How is that not punishment? We're talking victimless actions and personal preferences, speeding puts your environment in danger.

Can you use heroin, PCP, or even marijuana? Can you go around naked? I guess you must live in a state of eternal punishment.

Prevention is not punishment.

If I was a non-muslim, this post would make Islam a very unappealing religion(though I think all religions, not just Islam, are way past their expiry date).

Unlike other religions, particularly Christianity, Islam does not change for the whims of the ever changing morality of society. Any religion that does change because it becomes unappealing to others has shown its frailty and shown itself to be man-made and not divine - unless its followers claim to receive continuous revelation. Revelation in Islam ended 1400 years ago and we have no direct connection to God where we could receive revelation so how can we change it?

Also, that's a pretty general statement. Many non-Muslims become Muslim because of some of the things I have stated.

 

[Aylinato]

It eats its own feces, that's why its 'forbidden'.

Chickens eat their own poop. All fish are swimming in poop/piss of another fish. In fact I'm sure most animals eat poop.

 

[JimmyRustler]

What that muslims does so different than other?
You have example? because I'm curious.. living in country that the majority are muslims, I think the only thing different from us is we doing prayer 5 time a days. We have many rules but that the most applicable in daily routine are only the obligatory prayers.
So I'm curious what the muslims does in non-majority country that count as "pushing our rules"

From my experience mosque in country like that not even use speaker for adzan.

It's not about pushing the rules. It's about integrating into the culture. Muslims are always isolated. And that alone is asking for social disconcern. You don't need to push the rules and I never said that they're doing this.