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[LectureMaster]

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/202...ult-ps-store-sorting-amid-shovelware-backlash

It's a good start, but they really need to find a balanced way to end this once and for all - imo, they should still let the developers to release games, but certainly not with multiple variations and region stacks - as I mentioned in previous threads, currently a single pig quiz game can have up to 8 stacking trophy lists, those developers want people to buy the shit game 8 times just for the pointless platinum trophies, which is absolutely shameless and nuts.

I as a trophy collector myself, think the era before 2017 was pretty nice - there are still easy plats, but most of them were fully fledged point-and-click games, they were not bad, just with easier trophy lists, you could have good time with those games. After ratalaika games emerged in early 2018 it was all slippery downfall, and now those jumping clicking games are plague, just plague.

And earlier this week we noticed the firm has already made an adjustment. Both on the browser-based PS Store and PS5 app, the New Games ribbon is now sorted by Best Selling as opposed to Release Date. This means, at the time of typing at least, you’ll see games like Cult of the Lamb and Arcade Paradise rather than The Jumping Noodles Turbo and The Pig Quiz.

First one is how the New Games section used to be, and second one is how the PS Store is currently filtered

 

[SeraphJan]

Play Has No Limits

Lets play some The Pig Quiz

 

[Rayderism]

I HATE this return to defaulting to "best selling" instead of "new to old" because now I always have to set it back to "new to old"......then, when you actually click on a game (especially on PC PSN) and then go back, it reverts back to "best selling". Why can't they just have it remember what YOU set it to? PC PSN (in USA anyway), even the various filters you might set tend to just go away if you click on a game, then go back. Freaking annoying! The best workaround that I've found for that is to just check each game by opening it in a new tab, but click the wrong way one time, and boom! back to their lame defaults.

And why the hell does the USA version of PC PSN not have any screenshots or demo vids? What's that all about? The phone app has them, the console has them, why not on PC? If a cellphone can do it, I'm sure everyone's PC can too. My workaround for that is a plugin I have in my browser (Firefox) called "search in Youtube", highlight the game title, right-click and select "search in Youtube" to see vids on that game, but I shouldn't NEED to do that. It's a big WTF, that's for sure.

I can only assume that Sony employs clueless dimwits to program PSN's frontend. Like they have a college education to do what they do, but no actual talent or common sense when they do it.

As for all the shovelware, well, that's on Sony for letting that crap on the store in the first place.

 

[Fahdis]

Who the fuck is buying this stupid shit to warrant releases of these? Even getting these games on their platforms should be grounds for shame. What happened to QA? Bet that team is also full of Trophy Whores. I love Trophies but this shit is shameful.

*goes back to playing Pickle Run*

 

[fermcr]

I'm getting old. I still remember people playing console games to enjoy themselves. Now they force themselvs to play shitty games simply to gain platinium trophies.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I'm getting old. I still remember people playing console games to enjoy themselves. Now they force themselvs to play shitty games simply to gain platinium trophies.

Aye it's a weird one. I guess thats the hook though 'gotta earn em all' 'look at MY trophies'

Utterly pointless crap a lot of people put stock in, and sadly, money.

 

[AV]

Now they force themselvs

This has been happening for 17 years. Not defending it but it's in no way new.

 

[Skifi28]

I don't see the issue. If people want to buy a crap game 16 times to get its trophies, they should be able to.

 

[AV]

I don't see the issue. If people want to buy a crap game 16 times to get its trophies, they should be able to.

Yep. Nobody was going through every single game on the store anyway looking for something to buy, their issues are with the bad filtering/sorting system which has frankly ALWAYS been a problem for Sony. Let idiots waste money. If people are allowed to buy virtual GTA money to spend on virtual cars that get destroyed they should be allowed to press X 100 times to get a meaningless little popup too.

 

[Spaceman292]

Anyone who chases trophies has mental problems

 

[Spaceman292]

I don't see the issue. If people want to buy a crap game 16 times to get its trophies, they should be able to.

No they shouldn't

 

[RoboFu]

How about all stores give us the ability to block from seeing individual games and individual publishers?

 

[Roman Empire]

Anyone who chases trophies has mental problems

Idk, they should be free to do whatever they want. But gotta admit, chasing trophies is a hell of strange behavior in my perspective. I can't see the satisfaction of it at all. It's just another Skinner Box conditioning experiment.

 

[Skifi28]

No they shouldn't

Ok mother.

 

[Xeaker]

I'm getting old. I still remember people playing console games to enjoy themselves. Now they force themselvs to play shitty games simply to gain platinium trophies.

It's only a small minority who does that. Even most Trophy Hunters don't play this shit lol.
I only have one woman in my friendlist who has over 500 Platinums and she is playing some of those games.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

I don't see the issue. If people want to buy a crap game 16 times to get its trophies, they should be able to.

Yep still better than overdosing on meth.

 

[Captain Toad]

Anyone who chases trophies has mental problems

There's a big difference between chasing platinums for games one wants to play and someone buying games they don't care to play just for easy trophies.

You might as well say anyone collecting all the moons in Mario Odyssey or attempting to fill up a 100% completion gauge in an open-world game has mental problems.

Working on achieving goals is a big part of what separates gaming from other forms of entertainment.

 

[TexMex]

They announced that new trophy loyalty program where you get rewards for trophies (among other things) but it lacked much detail. Depending on the nature of the rewards they'll need to get a handle on this.

 

[DaedalusGrim]

Anyone else remember that Naruto game where you could earn every trophy in the tutorial?

 

[Fbh]

I struggle to see how anyone could find these appealing.
I never cared for trophies in general but at least I understood the appeal. But these games are the equivalent of going to some trophy store and buying trophies to display in your living room. Except you can't even pretend you earned them because they all come with a plaque that says "I paid for this shit ".

 

[StreetsofBeige]

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/202...ult-ps-store-sorting-amid-shovelware-backlash

It's a good start, but they really need to find a balanced way to end this once and for all - imo, they should still let the developers to release games, but certainly not with multiple variations and region stacks - as I mentioned in previous threads, currently a single pig quiz game can have up to 8 stacking trophy lists, those developers want people to buy the shit game 8 times just for the pointless platinum trophies, which is absolutely shameless and nuts.

I as a trophy collector myself, think the era before 2017 was pretty nice - there are still easy plats, but most of them were fully fledged point-and-click games, they were not bad, just with easier trophy lists, you could have good time with those games. After ratalaika games emerged in early 2018 it was all slippery downfall, and now those jumping clicking games are plague, just plague.

I'm sure e very e-store's terms and service says a game or movie can be taken down at the discretion of the platform owner. So if Sony thinks these donut and jumping games are that bad, then just get rid of them.

They surely have terms already set in place for for excessively violence and porn. You dont see content like that on MS or Sony or Nintendo stores, so they already got some guidelines to follow.

Just take action to delist crap content. I highly doubt these services have such lax terms that says "Anything can be uploaded guaranteed except porn". So just enforce any ToS.

 

[THE DUCK]

They should consider taking quality seriously. I mean how hard would it be to hire a few people to filter out the garbage for us automatically. On these stores there is so much crap, the switch store is the worst.

 

[manzo]

Ratalaika published Gynoug and Gley Lancer on PS4. Both which are fucking awesome shooters, so they're forgiven for the rest of their trash.

 

[Mattyp]

Played over 100 titles on my PlayStation since trophies became a thing, I doubt I have a single platinum and couldn’t tell you what a single trophy is I’ve received (in part to how awkward it feels to just a gamerscore).

People giving a shit about this is absolutely nuts, and Ive had my psn name before the PS3 even launched when we could preregister.

No one looks at your profile, no one cares how many trophies you have. Forcing yourself to finish games to 100% completion or even bad games when we have enough good games to last your lifetime already…. However each their own.

 

[ReBurn]

they really need to find a balanced way to end this once and for all

Sony gets a 30% cut of the action from trophy whaling. Their effort is probably only going to extend to making sure it doesn't crowd out other sales. I would be surprised if they do anything else.

 

[Topher]

Played over 100 titles on my PlayStation since trophies became a thing, I doubt I have a single platinum and couldn’t tell you what a single trophy is I’ve received (in part to how awkward it feels to just a gamerscore).

People giving a shit about this is absolutely nuts, and Ive had my psn name before the PS3 even launched when we could preregister.

No one looks at your profile, no one cares how many trophies you have. Forcing yourself to finish games to 100% completion or even bad games when we have enough good games to last your lifetime already…. However each their own.

Personally, I enjoy the additional challenge that going after a Platinum trophy brings (although not this cheap crap). That isn't about anyone looking at my profile. Just a part of having fun playing the game for me. And frankly, Platinums are the only aspect of trophies/achievements that even seem worth while for me. A gamerscore really does nothing for me. But as you say, to each their own.

 

[ReBurn]

They announced that new trophy loyalty program where you get rewards for trophies (among other things) but it lacked much detail. Depending on the nature of the rewards they'll need to get a handle on this.

Platinum Trophy Reward

www.playstation.com

There's nothing of real value on offer and the rewards seem to be tied to completing specific games. Sony probably doesn't see any risk from trophy whales gaming the system.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Who the fuck is buying this stupid shit to warrant releases of these? Even getting these games on their platforms should be grounds for shame. What happened to QA? Bet that team is also full of Trophy Whores. I love Trophies but this shit is shameful.

*goes back to playing Pickle Run*

Some people literally only care about their platinum score for a leaderboard on a third party trophy website. It’s a small niche of people that these developers are tapping into, so who cares if they want to spend their money on shovelware crap.

Sony should just make the store better at hiding all this bullshit.

 

[LectureMaster]

Played over 100 titles on my PlayStation since trophies became a thing, I doubt I have a single platinum and couldn’t tell you what a single trophy is I’ve received (in part to how awkward it feels to just a gamerscore).

People giving a shit about this is absolutely nuts, and Ive had my psn name before the PS3 even launched when we could preregister.

No one looks at your profile, no one cares how many trophies you have. Forcing yourself to finish games to 100% completion or even bad games when we have enough good games to last your lifetime already…. However each their own.

Who are you to make the judgement? Are over 450k registered members on https://psnprofiles.com/ nobody in your mouth? Don't label others just based on your own limited view. Most people are just having their own fun, If you understand each to their own, you should have not made the claim.

Sony gets a 30% cut of the action from trophy whaling. Their effort is probably only going to extend to making sure it doesn't crowd out other sales. I would be surprised if they do anything else.

No saying to nix them at all, but limit the region/version stacks of this type of games. Sony aren't getting much from the those sales, each game is roughly sold for 2000 copies according to the trophy sites, so that's 1$ x 2000 x 30% = 600 dollars profit for each release.

 

[Danknugz]

what always surprises me about the whole debate around trophies / achievements is how lots of people seem to think that anyone is actually going to be interested in drilling down in their ps/xbox profile to look at the details of how they completed games. maybe amongst your close friends but who actually does that?

there seems to be this notion that since your profile is public then it automatically means a lot of people are going to be examining how you completed your games. in reality the only people who look are themselves.

 

[FUBARx89]

Should just remove platinum trophies from them, ala child of light, contrast etc.

 

[Captain Toad]

They should consider taking quality seriously. I mean how hard would it be to hire a few people to filter out the garbage for us automatically. On these stores there is so much crap, the switch store is the worst.

The Switch WAS the worst. The shovelware developers complained their games only sell on Switch, so Sony decided to out-Nintendo Nintendo and took it to another level promoting non-game games buyable platinums.

 

[Captain Toad]

Should just remove platinum trophies from them, ala child of light, contrast etc.

I think every game should have a platinum. If a game exists only to sell trophies, the game shouldn't be on the store at all.

A single person or small group could realistically be able to make the call of which is which. Especially when 95% of the games causing the issue is from a small number of publishers.

 

[R6Rider]

I think every game should have a platinum. If a game exists only to sell trophies, the game shouldn't be on the store at all.

A single person or small group could realistically be able to make the call of which is which. Especially when 95% of the games causing the issue is from a small number of publishers.

They could also limit the amount of games released from one publisher in a year. I think Nintendo did this or maybe still does?

 

[LectureMaster]

what always surprises me about the whole debate around trophies / achievements is how lots of people seem to think that anyone is actually going to be interested in drilling down in their ps/xbox profile to look at the details of how they completed games. maybe amongst your close friends but who actually does that?

there seems to be this notion that since your profile is public then it automatically means a lot of people are going to be examining how you completed your games. in reality the only people who look are themselves.

This is fallacy. Have you really ever came across a person that brags "Hey I am a big gamer because I have loads of achievements and trophies"? Let alone "lots of people". People just have their own fun and maybe say something like "I am proud of myself finishing this hard achievement".

Play however you want, right? After most part of gaming is a private hobby.

 

[Walter Matthau]

The problem with achievements and trophies is that some susceptible people fall into the trap of thinking they matter to anyone other than themselves.

What starts as a small dopamine kick every time you here the notification turns into an obsession for some people and instead of releasing stress, they add more stress to their lives trying to add something to their profile that no one in their real life will ever care about.

Luckily, I think most people have a healthy relationship with achievement systems. Unfortunately for some, it leads to unhealthy mental behavior.

 

[FUBARx89]

This is fallacy. Have you really ever came across a person that brags "Hey I am a big gamer because I have loads of achievements and trophies"? Let alone "lots of people". People just have their own fun and maybe say something like "I am proud of myself finishing this hard achievement".

Play however you want, right? After most part of gaming is a private hobby.

I know someone like that, his trophy list is just full of jank and he gets a reet swell heed about it, then ya ask how much he paid for em and he shuts up.

 

[anothertech]

Ah. The results of a generation that grew up thinking everyone is a special star and everyone deserves a trophy...

 

[LectureMaster]

I know someone like that, his trophy list is just full of jank and he gets a reet swell heed about it, then ya ask how much he paid for em and he shuts up.

That's hilarious, so basically he is welcoming people to embarrass him, lol.

 

[Danknugz]

I know someone like that, his trophy list is just full of jank and he gets a reet swell heed about it, then ya ask how much he paid for em and he shuts up.

lots of kids are like this unfortunately.

 

[FUBARx89]

lots of kids are like this unfortunately.

Kids? He's in his 40's

 

[ReBurn]

No saying to nix them at all, but limit the region/version stacks of this type of games. Sony aren't getting much from the those sales, each game is roughly sold for 2000 copies according to the trophy sites, so that's 1$ x 2000 x 30% = 600 dollars profit for each release.

600 bucks for doing no work at all isn't bad. Especially if it's 600 bucks for each app and there are boatload of those apps on the store. I wouldn't be surprised if they're each selling in the tens of thousands.

 

[Mattyp]

Who are you to make the judgement? Are over 450k registered members on https://psnprofiles.com/ nobody in your mouth? Don't label others just based on your own limited view. Most people are just having their own fun, If you understand each to their own, you should have not made the claim.

No saying to nix them at all, but limit the region/version stacks of this type of games. Sony aren't getting much from the those sales, each game is roughly sold for 2000 copies according to the trophy sites, so that's 1$ x 2000 x 30% = 600 dollars profit for each release.

Do you prefer good gaming or do you prefer playing games to just collect trophies?

It’s either one or the other with trophy hunters. If people prefer having a different digital number next to their name online more power to them. Could think of better ways to spend life, I barely have the time to play good games let alone games just for a number.

Personally, I enjoy the additional challenge that going after a Platinum trophy brings (although not this cheap crap). That isn't about anyone looking at my profile. Just a part of having fun playing the game for me. And frankly, Platinums are the only aspect of trophies/achievements that even seem worth while for me. A gamerscore really does nothing for me. But as you say, to each their own.

I’m talking about hardcore trophy hunters, people that play games just to achieve trophies, I play every game on the hardest setting for the challenge unless it becomes unenjoyable spam shit. But I in no way do it for the trophy.

People will play through a shit game twice, or multiple times just for the differing trophies. At this point it’s no longer about enjoying gaming.

 

[STARSBarry]

Platinum Trophy Reward

www.playstation.com

There's nothing of real value on offer and the rewards seem to be tied to completing specific games. Sony probably doesn't see any risk from trophy whales gaming the system.

I remember that when I got the platinum for White Knight Cronicles it gave me a full suit of armour to wear in PlayStation Home.

Was pretty cool... man they need to remake White Knight... after Xenoblade 3 I feel like people need to experience games like that more.

Honestly I liked what they where doing with the platinum rewards in home... it was just ahead of its time.

 

[PaintTinJr]

I don't see the issue. If people want to buy a crap game 16 times to get its trophies, they should be able to.

See, I would agree if Trophies, much like Pay-to-Win MTX's didn't use human psychology from gambling culture to effectively manipulate the gamer.

I know I've wrongfully chased pointless trophies - in regular games, not these type game - only to retrospectively hate that I wasted my time and diluted the joy of the experience of playing - before I went trophy hunting. That's why I've never like the trophy system at a system level.

A game's own rewards system feels far better IMO, like the original License trophies in Gran Turismo. I just recently got all Gold on my GT7 International B license and the game's reward certainly felt worth while, unlike the fake manipulative carrots of the system trophies in Xbox/PlayStation

 

[Topher]

I’m talking about hardcore trophy hunters, people that play games just to achieve trophies, I play every game on the hardest setting for the challenge unless it becomes unenjoyable spam shit. But I in no way do it for the trophy.

People will play through a shit game twice, or multiple times just for the differing trophies. At this point it’s no longer about enjoying gaming.

Ah....I follow. Yeah, trophies are always a secondary activity for me. The game has to be one I enjoy first and foremost.