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[Fools idol]

So this is an interesting topic.

The island of Lampedusa just a month ago had a population of around 8,000 people. This past few weeks, the once 98% Sicilian population has seen almost 17,000 african nationals arrive on illegal boats, totally grinding it's economy to a halt as the government scramble to solve the 'problem'. Almost tripling the island's population within a single month.

The islands native people are quickly becoming a minority on the streets, with local businesses and tourist spots being ransacked by looting and violence. Farmland has been ransacked, supermarkets and food supply has collapsed due to the surge in demand and stealing.

Article;

Italian PM warns migration an issue for all of Europe on Lampedusa visit | Italy | The Guardian

Far-right Giorgia Meloni says crisis cannot be ‘just resolved within Italian borders’ on visit to island where 8,500 arrived in days

amp.theguardian.com

Since this article was written not even a week ago, a further wave of boats arrived over the course of the weekend.

It seems that African people smugglers / migrant boat gangs have figured out that small med islands are really fucking easy to ship people to.



Is this a trend that will continue? the EU governments seem to be baffled to which organisation is running the sudden surge in boats

There are growing fears in the Italian government that Russia's Wagner group is responsible for aiding and organising African migrant gangs to destabilise and cause chaos in Europe.

 

[Trunx81]

Just read the news that France won’t take any of them. Although nearly all of them speak French. It’s a humanitarian Desaster, fueled by greedy people who try to make as much money that they can from these poor bastards.

I can’t imagine how it must be to pay with the money your village gathered for you to travel over, only to be stuck in a camp with worse conditions than before. No hope, no freedom. And if you get into another country, your only chance lies in criminal acts because you aren’t allowed to work.

 

[German Hops]

Italians are facing a blue crab crisis, too.

 

[AJUMP23]

I would want to know who is loading up boats and sending migrants there.

 

[InterMusketeer]

Time for some drastic reforms.

 

[Pejo]

I would want to know who is loading up boats and sending migrants there.

I'd imagine the same type of people that sneak people across the Mexico/US border. Take each individual for all they're worth/all their savings to ship them off with no promises and no comforts, and not telling the people being 'shipped' that they're likely gonna get caught, locked up, and deported. Then again, I can't imagine the conditions in their homelands if this sounds like the best option to them.

 

[EverydayBeast]

The Italian government needs to make a good strong decision even though it’s a sad situation.

 

[bitbydeath]

Time to bring back the Roman Empire boyz!

 

[chromhound]

 

[RaduN]

There will be a time in the near future when the migration will happen in the tens of thousands if not more, at once. It will be fastest and biggest migration e er seen, probably.
Let aside the political climate, but the actual climate changes is slowly making life impossible in those regions.
Sending them back now, and simply keeping the borders shut is just a short term "solution".

 

[DrFigs]

there was a scene in true romance that referenced this

 

[T.v]

difficult situation. Greece is in a similar spot at the moment. They need to take harsh measures in order to protect and save their own countries, but will be judged by others in the EU for doing so. This entire migrant crisis is getting out of hand.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I can’t imagine how it must be to pay with the money your village gathered for you to travel over, only to be stuck in a camp with worse conditions than before. No hope, no freedom. And if you get into another country, your only chance lies in criminal acts because you aren’t allowed to work.

Yes, because their whole reason for travel is based on lies European governments will give them housing and a job. These are not skilled professionals.
Also “they speak French” is an exaggeration. They have a heavily accented functional level of French. Also - they are not French citizens, so…

 

[funkygunther]

This is what Meloni was voted in for. Now people will see it was empty populist rhetoric with no plan behind it.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Just read the news that France won’t take any of them. Although nearly all of them speak French. It’s a humanitarian Desaster, fueled by greedy people who try to make as much money that they can from these poor bastards.

I can’t imagine how it must be to pay with the money your village gathered for you to travel over, only to be stuck in a camp with worse conditions than before. No hope, no freedom. And if you get into another country, your only chance lies in criminal acts because you aren’t allowed to work.

It runs a lot deeper than this. I won't get into it due to politics/GAF Policy.

 

[CGNoire]

there was a scene in true romance that referenced this

That was a reference to the Moors not a migrant crisis.

 

[SJRB]

Literal invasion and occupation. It’s unreal how organised this all is.

If this happened 100 years ago it would’ve been seen as an act of war.

Imagine your hometown overrun by thousands of military-aged men from another country overnight. It driving me insane how passive Italy and the EU are about all this.

 

[Nikodemos]

Some believe Russia is behind this, in order to destabilize the EU. They create conflict in Africa, then herd the migrants towards North Africa, where they get put on boats and set to Europe.

 

[B D Joe]

At this point anyone that can't see this is an invasion is either complicit or an idiot

And i don't think we can vote our way out of it either. Some hard times are coming i fear

Also we all know this thread will get locked cos there's a lot of weak men who would rather bury heads then face up to their responsibilities

 

[IDKFA]

Literal invasion and occupation. It’s unreal how organised this all is.

If this happened 100 years ago it would’ve been seen as an act of war.

Imagine your hometown overrun by thousands of military-aged men from another country overnight. It driving me insane how passive Italy and the EU are about all this.

We have a similar issue in the UK. The BBC conducted an investigation a few months ago and found that a lot of the people coming over from France on boats were Albanian who are being hired by Albanian gangs currently in the UK. When they get to France, they're being briefed on how to lie to claim asylum to get past our (weak) system.

"They're going to arrest you for sure," said one. "You have to ask for asylum. Only those who didn't ask for asylum were sent back. The others didn't have any problems. You have to invent a reason why you're here. People usually say they have debts, problems in general."

Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs

Drug gangs recruit from migrant camps, the BBC is told, as it speaks to Albanians on both sides of the Channel.

www.bbc.com

 

[Soodanim]

OP said 'problem' in quotes like it's up for debate, then almost immediately followed it up with this:

The islands native people are quickly becoming a minority on the streets, with local businesses and tourist spots being ransacked by looting and violence. Farmland has been ransacked, supermarkets and food supply has collapsed due to the surge in demand and stealing.

Sounds like a definite problem to me

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

It's happened before in Lampedusa, being the closest Italian harbor to the African coast. Not on this scale, but I made a joke about the proportion of migrants over the local population in Lampedusa vs continental Italy more than 10 years ago already. There also was a heavy surge in migration back then. I doubt Russia is behind this.

This is what Meloni was voted in for. Now people will see it was empty populist rhetoric with no plan behind it.

She's already changed her tune now she is in the government. This is not something a small, weak country like Italy, so conveniently placed in the Mediterranean, can take radical decisions about alone. Says it all that this supposed "fascist and racist" government can't and won't do a thing about this.

Migrants bring lots of money in lots of pockets. And nobody is interested in which countries are destabilized by this as long as it's not theirs. If a single migrant dies in the sea our press will go for the government's throat, yet nobody cares about the problems this will bring to the society and the economy of the country.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Migrants bring lots of money in lots of pockets. And nobody is interested in which countries are destabilized by this as long as it's not theirs. If a single migrant dies in the sea our press will go for the government's throat, yet nobody cares about the problems this will bring to the society and the economy of the country.

I see no arguments backed my data being presented by both sides, it’s more or less like this:

Right: Migrants will rape our women and turn the country into an Islamic stste
Left: let’s kumbaya and love everyone

 

[Fools idol]

OP said 'problem' in quotes like it's up for debate, then almost immediately followed it up with this:


Sounds like a definite problem to me

Food stability is the biggest problem.. the island has a very small economy naturally, and the sudden surge in demand for food on the supply chain of the island has been devastating.

The next problem is all those mouths to feed and very little if anything at all in the way of legal tender in pockets. If 17,000 migrants cant pay for food on an island used to feeding 8000 people, the stealing is going to get far worse. In fact it's probably already past the point of no return. It's going to give a whole new meaning to 'The hunger games'.

 

[HoodWinked]

I remember several years ago finding out that Doctors without Borders operates multiple migrant vessels. I always thought it was some non-partisan humanitarian charity but they have some strange mission creep where they actively participate in illegal migration. This is frogs boiling in a pot nothing will change, Europe has the double paralysis of compassion and guilt.

(video from 2016)

 

[GymWolf]

We love our european allies who can't give less fucks about helping us with the migrants problem.

 

[Dr.D00p]

Alot of it has been caused by Putin and the Wagner Group being sent in to destabilise African nations, where most of these migrants have come from.

It's a deliberate policy of course, by Putin, to put stress on the EU nations & their relationships.

 

[Tams]

I'm going to tread carefully here, but...

If nothing drastic is done, then this is just a taster of what is to come.

And we all know what will happen if absolutely nothing is done. Everyone is too scared to voice it though, including me, because it is so dark.

Some cultures simply aren't compatible.

It's not mostly Wagner or Russia, though they are certainly playing in that area.

Wagner should just be wiped out at this point. 'Merica, can you send in some of those AC-130 gunships again? It was hilarious at The Battle of Khasham.

 

[Bojji]

We love our european allies who can't give less fucks about helping us with the migrants problem.

Don't Italy have army?

What's stopping your government from sending navy to block those boats from where they start?

This shit requires decisive action. I'm glad that Poland fights EU stupidity on this front.

 

[Con-Z-epT]

Artificially bolstered or not this is only just the beginning. With the drastic changes in climate, war, loss of biodiversity, overpopulation the amount of refugees will increase drastically throughout the next two decades.

This is nothing compared to what's ahead of us. Yet, nothing is happening.

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

Is it true that their own nations have a lot of official broadcasts about the potential for high income in France etc?

 

[GymWolf]

This is what Meloni was voted in for. Now people will see it was empty populist rhetoric with no plan behind it.

Welcome to italian politicians.

 

[GymWolf]

Don't Italy have army?

What's stopping your government from sending navy to block those boats from where they start?

This shit requires decisive action. I'm glad that Poland fights EU stupidity on this front.

Our politicians are weak and spineless.

 

[bellome]

It is literally disheartening to see my homeplace being totally abandoned by institutions.

The italian government is useless and our european "partners" just don't give a shit.

EU is a joke.

All of this not considering the humanitarian aspects of the matter, but i understand many people in EU are just too ignorant to care about unlucky people and to understand that they may even become a resource for our Country if properly integrated.

I have seen with my own eyes the bodies of dead people floating on the sea and being pushed to the shore by the waves, and the disperation of the survivors. One of the worst memories i have......

 

[RaduN]

Is it true that their own nations have a lot of official broadcasts about the potential for high income in France etc?

All they need to see is a football match with the France team, to understand, as anyone would, that they are more than welcome there.

 

[FunkMiller]

Artificially bolstered or not this is only just the beginning. With the drastic changes in climate, war, loss of biodiversity, overpopulation the amount of refugees will increase drastically throughout the next two decades.

This is nothing compared to what's ahead of us. Yet, nothing is happening.

Sadly correct. The only real way to stop this is for rich counties to work with poor countries to increase the quality of life in those poor countries.

Anyone see that happening?

 

[GymWolf]

Sadly correct. The only real way to stop this is for rich counties to work with poor countries to increase the quality of life in those poor countries.

Anyone see that happening?

Unrealistic even for a black mirror episode.

 

[Kenpachii]

Send them to the netherlands, we need workers.

 

[winjer]

No wonder the far right has been on the rise in Italian elections.

 

[Con-Z-epT]

Sadly correct. The only real way to stop this is for rich counties to work with poor countries to increase the quality of life in those poor countries.

Anyone see that happening?

Since "the whole world" is still not affected by this "the whole world" is not ready for a collective change of mind and approach to our destructive way of living. It's sad because we know of this for so many years now and it might be to late when we decide to give in.

 

[Peggies]

Sadly correct. The only real way to stop this is for rich counties to work with poor countries to increase the quality of life in those poor countries.

Anyone see that happening?

We've been doing this for aaaaages. It doesn't work! It doesn't even work within the EU.
I'm tired of this shit!

 

[D-Dude]

Send them to the netherlands, we need workers.

These People aren't workers. Come one.
And if you wanna send them to the Netherlands, then please your neighborhood or street. I live in the Netherlands, Limburg, close to a AZC (refugee center) and there is a lot of trouble everyday. Theft, violence, sexual assault. So I say no. Not anymore.

 

[Tokio Blues]

Inmediately deportation? what's the problem?.


Why is not considered an invasion?

 

[StueyDuck]

The sad thing is that some wank fuck in Portland will call all these people native to the area a bunch of nazis for being scared for their homeland and then they'll go groom kids or whatever that purple place does for fun.

There's a word for a nation annexing another one... but we won't say it, don't want to get the they/thems cross now

 

[VN1X]

Inmediately deportation? what's the problem?.


Why is not considered an invasion?

They are ReFUgeEs dontchaknow!

 

[Trunx81]

It runs a lot deeper than this. I won't get into it due to politics/GAF Policy.

I didn´t want to go too much into details because of the "no politics" rule as well. Otherwise I would have a LOT to say

 

[Scotty W]

We know what will happen. We know what we must do. We do not have the will to do it. Europe is over.

 

[Toots]

Remind me of Kaaris', the famous french poet, ryhme
"Sachet de coke coincé dans le cul, coincé comme à Lampedusa"
(Coke Bag stuck in your ass, stuck like you're in Lampedusa)
Never understood what he meant by that but i'm convinced if we were to find out we'll be able to solve the migrants crisis.

 

[Peggies]

Inmediately deportation? what's the problem?.


Why is not considered an invasion?

 

[AJUMP23]

Inmediately deportation? what's the problem?.


Why is not considered an invasion?

While it is an invasion they have already overwhelmed the island and without the mainland sending in a national guard the people on the island can do nothing. And if they all claim refugee status the government has to process that. I was talking with people about this earlier, but the death of Kaddafi really destabilized north Africa. I am not really sure what form of government has even formed in its place.