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It's Began: New Clinton campaign ad hits Trump University
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OrangeGrayBlue
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I personally don't care. But I don't think it's a very good strategy. Everyone falls in to two camps when it comes to Trump, either A) they know he's a sleazy con-artist who's egomaniacal and unfit to be president or B) they're voting for him. And if you're planning on voting for Trump right now, you're a person who thinks Hillary is a criminal, unethical, etc etc. I think it would be a more efficient use of campaign funds to spend some time playing up her strengths rather than piling on about Trump's weaknesses. She's preaching to the choir.
Eh, it is a pretty low-level scandal. It pings at his supposed claim to fame by linking his business success to direct fraud, but the real meat is any documents that get released due to the various cases. He is so dodgy with his net work that it is entirely possible he purjored himself in any legal declarations.
RPGCrazied
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You would think his racism would do that for him.
Depending on how the case goes, there's a good chance.
That was brutal, can't wait for the upcoming ad battles.
When the red glowing space on the boss is lit up? YOU HIT IT.
I don't think anyone wants to see him have a stroke. Someone hitting him back after he spent the last year bullying other candidates, minorities, and women is pretty satisfying though.
LiquidSolid
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You think she's the one editing this ad together and personally tweeting it out? Don't be ridiculous, there's nothing wrong with this. So long as she doesn't resort to name calling in person, like all the clowns Trump beat, she'll still look like the only adult in the room come the debates.
I thought it was an incredible ad. Now that the warmup is completely done and dusted, Hillary's not holding back.
Yeah, even with all of Trump's glaring flaws you really don't want to take any chances here. Hit him hard and hit him early, and it's not like he doesn't deserve the shit being thrown at him. A fraudulent university is completely fair game for attack.
Did you miss her speech on Planned Parenthood earlier today?
As was said in the last thread about Twitter and politics, it's not one or the other. She's doing both and doing both quite well. She also has the manpower to do both until November.
LostMyNarbles
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The whole thing was great but the "Alleged Billionaire" line got me good.
Equating Trump to a dumb boss from a game that constantly overswings has been my favorite comparison this election.
Souldriver
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Oh god, the mental image I'm having on this is killing me.
'She is going to completely abandone her wonkyness and only campaign on Twitter' is how those 'why is she doing this' arguements sound .
As if she hasn't done anything else besides attack trump. It hasn't even been a full week since she cinched the delegate count.
DontBeThatGuy
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...and then promptly offered her a position in his cabinet after he won, essentially been endorsing Clinton since '08.
OrangeGrayBlue
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That's a good point. I'm just not sure how much manpower has to be devoted to attack ads for a candidate who's faults are extremely well-known and already has the lowest favorability rating of any candidate ever, if I recall.
There's absolutely no harm in constantly bringing up his faults until election day.
Run how big of a shit he is into the ground, make it more than common knowledge.
GoldenEye 007
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Nobody is going to get that fucking bent out of shape over some funny Twitter spars in June.
Anyway, going to be great to see Hillary start going in more. She's been vetted to hell and back and out of it is basically emails and sure maybe a couple other things here and there. The country is just getting started on Trump.
Anyway, going to be great to see Hillary start going in more. She's been vetted to hell and back and out of it is basically emails and sure maybe a couple other things here and there. The country is just getting started on Trump.
So you think Clinton's camp shouldn't attack Trump? Shouldn't make ads that point out his hateful, offensive, sometimes violent language and ideas? Why not?
BlastProcessing
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Hillary could curry a lot of favor with voters by being the adult in the room, and I don't think this video or her twitter spats with Donald are really helping to do that.
The same sentiment that produced this meme:
is the reason that she needs to just focus on being who she is (wonky, professional, knowledgeable) and not try to be the viral internet candidate. She doesn't have that kind of appeal that Bernie had or Trump has, but that's ok. Trump's biggest weakness is his childishness and lack of presidentiality, so I think it would be in Hillary's favor to stay above the fray and stick to policy attacks, to the extent that Trump even has policies.
People who express this sentiment are ignoring 200 years of American History. For example, in the 1800 election Jefferson called Adam's a hermaphrodite and Adams spread rumors that Jefferson was dead. Politics is a full contact sport, yo.
Clinton can't really attack Trump's positions because he doesn't have any. He changes them constantly, it's not a good idea to spend too much time chasing a moving target. Better to attack what he can't change, his nature.
Early in the cycle you want to focus on framing your opponent. Obama framed Romney as an out-of-touch CEO before the conventions and Romney never recovered. Once you frame them, you can narrow your focus on policies. Your attacks will land better because of the work you have already done defining them.
I think Trump U is as much of an effective attack as EMAILS. Which is to say, not a lot.
GoldenEye 007
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Don't forget fraudulent!
Edit: You'd think the education stuff is especially effective because of the state of higher education in the US today. Students and recent graduates feeling like shit because of the expense and loans. Or getting screwed by many for-profit educators. Stuff like that should resonate with everyone easily.
gutter_trash
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The Clinton campaign used kid gloves vs Bernie
Now they have put on boxing gloves vs Trump
Now they have put on boxing gloves vs Trump
BlastProcessing
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One of the dangerous things about Trump U (and I think this is why Trump has been so defensive about it) is the inevitable question: Why would a multi-billionaire concern himself with bilking elderly couples for $35,000 a pop?
Bobby Roberts
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Makes argument for being a "grown up"
Cites internet meme as support for argument.
This is grown up. It's appealing to a large number of voters who are very, very used to satire/comedy as a delivery mechanism for political awareness, because they grew up on it. Fake TV ads skewering political figures has been a thing since the late 1970s, when Saturday Night Live was doing it, through Late Night TV and the Daily Show, and up until now.
I think it's going to be a lot more effective than that. The average voter does not like the idea of a rich person intentionally cheating money out of the poor. Obama had a similar attack line against Romney in 2012. Buying and shutting down factories to make a profit for the super rich at the expense of working folks. This time it's Trump lining his own pockets. You don't think that will be effective in this political climate?
I'm sure he'll have something as a comeback.
Bobby Roberts
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"I quit?"
SwiftDeath
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Trump should publicly donate a billion dollars to Clinton's campaign to prove to her and the world that he is (or at least was) a billionaire.
It's the only way to be sure.
It's the only way to be sure.
BlastProcessing
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Trump U is way bigger. All of the people testifying on camera to it being a scam and the judge situation already dwarfs it because people actually have something to point to, in this case racism and fraud. There's nothing to the emails besides the same talking points people have heard for years, and Trump's supporters have nothing solid to nail her on based off it besides bogus conspiracy theories that make them look like loons to most sane people.
The latter will be incredibly effective.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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"I may be an alleged billionaire but where are your emails??!?!?"
what?
He's done nothing but come back at his opposition this entire cycle. You guys honestly think THIS is the ad that breaks him?
Bobby Roberts
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This ad? No.
Do I think it's possible he fucking bails out before November? I do. I'm not sure that it's likely. But I think it's on the table.
His opposition could never commit to attacking him because they needed his voters. Hillary doesn't need his voters.
The problem with doing the Obama attack ads is they become void once he's shown campaigning for her, which is likely why he wanted to get out there so quickly, and those were from over 8 years ago. They aren't going to matter. There is plenty on Trump from just the last few months that he can be hit with. Some of the stuff Sanders said about her would be more viable but even then those aren't that strong. That he has to go back years vs using anything current is a real problem for Trump and I'm glad he has it.
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I agree the alleged billionaire hit is going to drive him crazy. He doesn't give a damn if you call him a racist, etc. Talk about he's not as rich as he claims or talk about how poorly of a businessman he is or that he's a fraud and he can't stand it. The point of these videos is to get him to lash out and get more examples of how he's not fit to be president. Deny him and the republicans any chance for to appear reasonable. Define him so even the most non-knowledge person out there can easily link the words fraud, liar, etc with Trump.
I believe the hater delayed the trial until late November on Trump's request.
WaterAstro
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Honestly, this is true for all private post secondary schools in the States.
Maybe Trump is worse, but they're all pretty bad.
Maybe Trump is worse, but they're all pretty bad.
DontBeThatGuy
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Killary tho.
It might be for the best. As shitty as Trump U was regardless, if a jury finds in Trump's favor voters might move on.
Aww shit, I was wondering why the title was bugging me...
Voters have the attention span and memory of a goldfish, you have to keep on hitting all the way to November.
DontBeThatGuy
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I feel this is 100% correct.
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