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I was 7 when I saw episode one, I felt Jar Jar was condescending.
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'I've done my damage' Ahmed Best on playing Jar Jar Binks
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I was 7 when I saw episode one, I felt Jar Jar was condescending.
Interfectum
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A kids movie about trade disputes, limb dismemberments and a weird rabbit stepping in shit.
The tone of TPM is all over the place, which is the problem.
The failure of Jar Jar is more on the writing and the direction than it is on Best. It's a shame that he feels responsible for it all, since the behind-the-scenes stuff shows he did his best to make as much potable lemonade as he could out of the rotten lemon they gave him.
I think that goes for most of the actors, too.
I think that goes for most of the actors, too.
GuitarAtomik
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Jar Jar is terrible. Even as a character that is meant to pander completely to children he is terrible. Why? Because he panders SO hard that he is out of place. Everything around him is sterile and stiff and stoic and then HERE COMES JAR JAR! HYUCK! HYUCK! Look at him tripping every five seconds! Listen to how goofy he speaks! Lololol he slipped in some poop! Meanwhile back in the political drama with characters trying to speak badly written Shakespeare....All that stuff only made an already terrible version of an archetype stand out even more as a sore spot.
There were ways to create a character like Jar Jar successfully in that framework. Lucas just failed hard on this one and excusing it as "Well he's for kids!" isn't a valid excuse. When your character is still the most insufferable thing in a cartoon that's even more directed at kids, you have gone too far.
There were ways to create a character like Jar Jar successfully in that framework. Lucas just failed hard on this one and excusing it as "Well he's for kids!" isn't a valid excuse. When your character is still the most insufferable thing in a cartoon that's even more directed at kids, you have gone too far.
Hobbit is aimed at children. Narnia is aimed at children. You can aim better at children.
Star Wars hasn't been just a movie for over 30 years now.
Poodlestrike
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It's a TV show.
Why not?
http://deadline.com/2015/12/2-black-dudes-comedy-j-lee-seth-macfarlane-fox-1201666611/
Also the writer of the show isn't Seth. He's just producing it. This is the writer:
Dude has an awesome story:
That actually sounds kind of entertaining. Might give it a shot.
dark_chris
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I didn't mind Jar Jar, he had good comic relief and had a lot of personality then the actual main characters. Plus, if you consider Jar jar as a list of problems with the prequels, he should be considered at the bottom, because there are more problems with those movies than Jar Jar... Such as midichlorians
Excactly.
Poor guy. Poor almost everyone involved with the prequels, especially episode one. They all mustve thought it was going to be great, being as you literally would have no way of knowing because you're on a green screen the whole time.
Fun tidbit is Ahmed didn't always say he wasn't interested in reprising his role: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/236oks/iama_ahmed_best_actorwriterdirector_best_known/cgtxu89
Maybe it was after he saw ep 7 he realized just how out of place the character is in this current iteration of the universe.
Fun tidbit is Ahmed didn't always say he wasn't interested in reprising his role: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/236oks/iama_ahmed_best_actorwriterdirector_best_known/cgtxu89
Maybe it was after he saw ep 7 he realized just how out of place the character is in this current iteration of the universe.
You can't take that from the character, it's very true. But it doesn't make me appreciate Jar Jar more.
Midichlorians never bothered me like it seems to with a lot of fans. Guess George watched DBZ or something and wanted power levels in his shit. Jar Jar actively ruins my enjoyment(?) of Phantom Menace. I couldn't stand a single scene with him in it when I re-watched the film over the holidays.
Barkley's Justice
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Where was the copyeditor with all of Ahmed's quotes?
Pioneers have arrows in their backs, George Lucas led them into a trap
Ok it's just a brand guys.
Wow. Really?
And the ONLY person responsible for the hate of those films is Lucas. Best was doing his. . .well Best.
Gordon Shumway
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LMAO
Seriously, what even prompted them to add this character "exclusively for children?" The OT appealed to children just fine without the need for some goofy amphibian electrocuting himself.
Interfectum
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Honestly the "but it's aimed at children" excuse is just a way to deflect the awfulness of the PT.
Star Wars is a series for everyone, just as the Marvel universe is. They can appeal to children and adults just fine without putting juvenile shit like Jar Jar in it.
Palette Swap
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Yeah, Jar Jar is only one aspect of everything that is wrong about that movie, but he's one of the most visible ones. If people hated him only because he was designed as an approachable comic relief for kids, we'd be seeing a ton of backlash around BB8, which isn't happening at all.
Still, I have zero beef with Best. If anything, I feel sorry for the guy.
errr American Dad is pretty damn good IMO. It's certainly not bad at the very least.
bengraven
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Yeah, at some point it just became waaay funnier than Family Guy. I enjoy the show whenever I watch it.
shortsFortallPeople
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Michael Jackson spent a large portion of his career trying to appeal to children and do things that he thought kids would think were cool.
regardless on how you fall as to whether the allegations towards him are true or not, what i just stated is fact.
Having grown up with the Prequels and the OT (I'm almost now 22), I like them all equally so Jar Jar was never a particularly problematic thing for me.
Rewatching them now he's clearly juvenile and meant for the kiddies, and I'm glad his role is substantially reduced in 2 and 3 to give way to the darker story, but I still have the occasional chuckle at some of his antics.
It's sad to me that there are Star Wars fans out there that can't enjoy the Prequels, it feels great to be able to watch all (now 7) the movies in order and enjoy them all the same.
Rewatching them now he's clearly juvenile and meant for the kiddies, and I'm glad his role is substantially reduced in 2 and 3 to give way to the darker story, but I still have the occasional chuckle at some of his antics.
It's sad to me that there are Star Wars fans out there that can't enjoy the Prequels, it feels great to be able to watch all (now 7) the movies in order and enjoy them all the same.
Literally what I came in here to say. As a nine year old, I thought Jar Jar was great.
Personally, I always had ways more problems with Ruby Rhod in The Fifth Element.
Was that point almost immediately? American Dad is fantastic. I get the impression that the people in here criticising it are just blowing it off on account of it being connected to MacFarlene, despite the fact that he's barely involved outside of the voice acting aspect.
It's a TV show.
Why not?
http://deadline.com/2015/12/2-black-dudes-comedy-j-lee-seth-macfarlane-fox-1201666611/
Also the writer of the show isn't Seth. He's just producing it. This is the writer:
Dude has an awesome story:
So basically a remake of this:
No, it took a season or two for me. Then it became far and away the superior show.
Interfectum
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I try to enjoy the prequels. There are just so many deal breakers in there I can't look past, the biggest one being that I actively dislike most of the characters involved due to poor acting and dialogue.
The one thing that makes the OT truly timeless isn't the effects or the story, it's just fun as hell watching those characters. They look like they are having a good time and you want to see what happens to them next. I think that's why Episode 7 resonated so well despite being so close to ANH in terms of plot. The characters are just pure fun to watch on screen.
IMO PT completely lacks this. The characters are very wooden and awkward. Most of the time I can't wait until they are offscreen and Lucas just gets back to the crazy effects and world building.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Your first statement is true and I agree!
However, there is "not taking yourself too seriously" and then there's crossing the line into slapstick that doesn't fit with the originals. That's the entire problem with the prequels, they don't fit. They feel forced and wrong. Jar Jar is Poochie.
Interfectum
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Ironically the only set of SW movies that takes themselves too seriously is the PT. The OT and TFA are filled with good quality humor throughout while the PT makes hard swings from slapstick shit jokes to politics, severed limbs, child killing, implied rape and super serious dialogue. Outside of Jar Jar, C3PO and the droid army, most of the PT is very sterile and humorless.
Remember in ESB when Luke meets Yoda and he's pretending to be some crazy old kook, eating Luke's food and fiddling with all his instruments, just annoying the hell out of him? It's like a metaphor for the audience's reaction to Jar Jar, it's like poetry.
Obviously in 1980 George knew nobody could tolerate a character who was actually like that, but something happened to his brain in the 20 years afterwards.
Obviously in 1980 George knew nobody could tolerate a character who was actually like that, but something happened to his brain in the 20 years afterwards.
March of the Crabs
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Yeah AD is a fantastic show and one of the best animated comedies on TV.
I know GAF has this unhealthy hatred for Seth MacFarlane, but people don't seem to understand McFarlane isn't involved at all with American Dad beyond voice acting (and also hasn't been involved with Family Guy beyond voice acting for many, many years now, so hating MacFarlane because of current Family Guy is just like hating Matt Groening because of current Simpsons) but GAF will be GAF. You are allowed to enjoy good TV (American Dad) while still maintaining your "I hate MacFarlane" cred.
The only things MacFarlane writes these days are his movies.
Kid Kamikaze10
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Jar Jar was a racist stereotype, and as much work Ahmed put in the character, he really shouldn't have taken that role. Or at least asked to have it modified. Even to Clone Wars levels.
Just plain cringe inducing.
I hope for good things for Best, but I can't say I'm surprised he got that nasty backlash. Hell, he probably should have taken that into account.
But ultimately, it was Lucas' fault. Who should have known better. Kids movie is not an excuse.
Just plain cringe inducing.
I hope for good things for Best, but I can't say I'm surprised he got that nasty backlash. Hell, he probably should have taken that into account.
But ultimately, it was Lucas' fault. Who should have known better. Kids movie is not an excuse.
Its just the biggest merchandise/film franchise in existence.
I have never met a black person that liked Jar Jar.
It's like George met a Rastafarian the day before writing TPM script and liked the idea for an alien in Star Wars. I really can't unsee it anymore, it's a mild slap in the face. I won't lie though, I loved that motherfucker when I saw the movie as a kid.
Can we also talk about how the aliens working with the federation were clearly based off Asian people?
Jesus, Lucas you fuck.
It's like George met a Rastafarian the day before writing TPM script and liked the idea for an alien in Star Wars. I really can't unsee it anymore, it's a mild slap in the face. I won't lie though, I loved that motherfucker when I saw the movie as a kid.
Can we also talk about how the aliens working with the federation were clearly based off Asian people?
Jesus, Lucas you fuck.
Count Dookkake
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1) The Jackson stuff is not news. There was already a thread about it.
2) Star Wars is for kids.
3) Binks rules.
2) Star Wars is for kids.
3) Binks rules.
Bluekaveli
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I was 7 at the time, even I hated him
theignoramus
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Oh fuck. This could potentially be at "I Need a Jew" level of tackiness from McFarlane.
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