Vane_MagicCity
Banned
Man this "one game will turn the tide" stuff needs to go away.
In this case, it didn't help the Wii U. Speaking of the Wii U, how many "one" games were supposed to save it?
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Japan claims another victim (PS4)
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Man this "one game will turn the tide" stuff needs to go away.
In this case, it didn't help the Wii U. Speaking of the Wii U, how many "one" games were supposed to save it?
Sammy Samusu
Member
It's not Japan's fault though.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Ahahahahahahahahahaha!
.... Yea, good luck with that. The Japan market would sooner dump all support into handheld and mobile than that.
The PC was once drowning in these. How things change.
shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
Seems like neither 3DS nor Vita will sell anywhere near what their predecessors did.
Paracelsus
Member
The west has several tens of millions of potential sales, if they bankrupt is because they waste hundreds of millions to develop, all they need to do is fix their budgets.
Japan? They have 5 millions reserved for Mario, MonHun and Pokemon, rest of IP is lucky to get 500k/1kk, pointless to say that's not enough.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Not really, neither would have the power to push console sales over a million and then the drop off the week after would be monumental.
I don't doubt those franchise have the power to make some people buy a console just for them, but
A: It wouldn't help console sales in the long run
B: It wouldn't help the sales of other games, people would be happy playing MHPS4 for 5million hours instead of buying new games.
Its the 2nd biggest market for video games.
Look at the Wii U
Paracelsus
Member
Monster Hunter = not a KA
Monster Hunter Portable = KA
Dragon Quest = KA
[INSERT BIG IP HERE] Online = Not a KA
It is, probably, but you can't simply put the demographics out of the equation
entremet
Member
I know. But were there that many asleep last generation? GAF usually has a more informed, enthusiast population. Japan's migration from consoles is not new. Furthermore, with even less support, more Japanese dev houses going mobile only, and the diminishing influence of SE, Capcom, Konami--Japanese stalwarts--who would've expected any major reversal in console gaming's fortunes with just cursory knowledge of the Japanese market?
As county yes, no as market.
I have to say I am not concerned in the slightest, Japanese games have become incredibly niche and limited.
Don't care for FF (never played one) or any JRPG, not interested in any of that.
MGS and Gran Turismo will still be made regardless of Japanese sales, and that's all I care about.
That market in terms of sales and game production is becoming more and more irrelevant.
PS4 does not need Japan, in regard to sales to succeed ........ it's doing fantastic without it.
Not sure where "victim" comes into it.
Don't care for FF (never played one) or any JRPG, not interested in any of that.
MGS and Gran Turismo will still be made regardless of Japanese sales, and that's all I care about.
That market in terms of sales and game production is becoming more and more irrelevant.
PS4 does not need Japan, in regard to sales to succeed ........ it's doing fantastic without it.
Not sure where "victim" comes into it.
EmptySpace
Banned
handheld and mobile has taken over.
how? gameboy was popular worldwide, but we still got unique experiences at home. now, handheld games are way deeper than just a 5-minute pick up and play. we get fire emblem and zelda, and unlike before noe they are comparable to a console experience. fire emblem was.something people would.play.on a ps1 but now.you can play a deep game wherever. additionally, there's both online and ad-hoc. instead of going to someone's.home, you can just.take your device.anywhere anytime and play with your friends locally. that's how monster hunter became so.big.
how? gameboy was popular worldwide, but we still got unique experiences at home. now, handheld games are way deeper than just a 5-minute pick up and play. we get fire emblem and zelda, and unlike before noe they are comparable to a console experience. fire emblem was.something people would.play.on a ps1 but now.you can play a deep game wherever. additionally, there's both online and ad-hoc. instead of going to someone's.home, you can just.take your device.anywhere anytime and play with your friends locally. that's how monster hunter became so.big.
A full on next (current) gen DQ game that pushes the hardware to the max well beyond what any handheld could do, it would sell ,and have legs. I am curious to see what FF XV can do too.
Paracelsus
Member
Dark Souls, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Yakuza, Tales. Do you think those games will be developed with the United States of America in mind or will they just die?
Byakuya769
Member
Makes you wonder about that glam piece on the resurgent Sony Japan Studio when the best Sony can do for its home country is a pack-in of Knack.
……forgetit
Member
Isn't the home console industry dieing over there? It seems that LITERALLY nothing sells there but cell phone and 3ds games, with the occasional Vita uptick.
Dragonborn
Member
I'm pretty certain Japan is a lost cause. At least this means Sony will focus completely on it's western development. I'm sad that Japanese console games will mostly disappear (more-so than last gen), but oh well, if Japan doesn't want it, why waste resources on it. Sony should just focus on Vita there, and PS4 everywhere else.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
There's a lot amazing japanese games, not everything is an RPG.
The games I play are almost always Japanese, so it kinda sucks to hear the Japanese industry is in danger, but they will find a way.
Galactic Barret
Member
It needs more support, plain and simple. If Japanese publishers and developers don't support the system with 100% of its effort, whichever system that may be, its destined to fail in Japan.
As long as mobile stays the priority, that is what will thrive. When or if the PS4 gains more support, more consoles will sell.
As long as mobile stays the priority, that is what will thrive. When or if the PS4 gains more support, more consoles will sell.
This is totally becoming mainstream.Something like this is perfectly fine
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Because of the companies that actually track these sales and their still being a fair but of stock in major stores.
And acceptable, but oh lawdy, whip out your Vita or 3DS you're a manchild
And_Gignac
Member
That didn't stop the PS4 from selling in other regions.
Well, when every single Japanese focused launch title is available on the system's predecessor, it's difficult to convince your audience to upgrade.
In reality, it's Sony's responsibility to convince Japanese publishers to move to the PS4 in order for it to become a healthy platform in its home market.
With all the major jrpgs besides FF and KH being announced on the PS3 and not the PS4. The PS4 is going struggle for quite some time.
All I can say is, Sony better has something to show which appeals to the local market soon. Once MGS GZ is out, the remaining release schedule looks so depressingly barren.
In reality, it's Sony's responsibility to convince Japanese publishers to move to the PS4 in order for it to become a healthy platform in its home market.
With all the major jrpgs besides FF and KH being announced on the PS3 and not the PS4. The PS4 is going struggle for quite some time.
All I can say is, Sony better has something to show which appeals to the local market soon. Once MGS GZ is out, the remaining release schedule looks so depressingly barren.
God, do I love personal tastes.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
cookie-monster
Member
Japan is a massive chicken/egg problem. Install base projections/budget.
That's the thing. The consensus over there is that console gaming has taken a back seat in favor for mobile, as the gaming market in that sector has expanded so rapidly that its the largest one in the world. The Japanese are crazy about their mobile devices.
It's not really that weird, really. When I was in Tokyo last year, it was pretty apparent to see how important mobile devices were there. Literally everyone was busy with their phone on the train, and with the long hours over there for workers and students alike, the only downtime for most people is going to be when they commute to and from work / school. Mobile is literally the best thing for people over there right now.
Unfortunately, it's at the expense of consoles. With the steady increase in the mobile sector, it's only natural that they're having a decline in the home console market. Publisher's not going to roll their thumbs and hope for the best, but they're going to see to it so that they mainly provide the bulk of their content where the market is. That's going to lead to a decline in the output of console games.
So yeah, the situation's pretty grimm for home consoles in Japan right now. Sony can't change that on their own.
Well then, Sony should just cease PS3 support & cease manufacturing/production of PS3's to force publishers/developers into PS4 development. Development costs for PS4 are exactly the same as PS3's, PS4's more powerful than PS3 is, & PS4 is more developer friendly than PS3 is.
You can sell better a console on a promise in the west, on one game alone in Japan. My guess.
I'm more worried about japanese devs who will most likely keep moving toward mobile
Contracting market with small install bases and rising budgets vs mobile. Why are you worried?
SlipperySlope
Banned
Many Japanese studios don't really need the power. There's the chance they could go from PS3 to mobile if forced to stop PS3 development. Sony isn't in a position to try to force somebody out of a console audience in hopes of them providing content for their new, much smaller, console audience.
Hellsing321
Member
Consoles are dead and going to stay that way in Japan. You'll see bumps when software people actually want to play is released but then they'll just come crashing back down.