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[Zomba13]

I was expecting this would happen after hearing about another online game shutting their servers off to conserve power. I'm glad they are doing it too. Nice of them not to charge during April too (for FFXI, FFXIV is still F2P).
I was planning on getting some FFXI related stuff done this week but honestly don't care. Japan needs it's power used for more important things than servers for video games.

 

[Cyborg]

Who cares.....those people have real problems.

 

[enzo_gt]

But it was, this being the first post trying to kill the discussion straight out the gates :



BTW, I think we need a thread title change as the topic no longer covers it.

Also pertaining to your most recent reply too:

You read "I think we should not talk about video games and we should talk about the quake because it is more important."

I read "Square's priorities at the moment are centered on the current disaster at hand and are currently more important than the upkeep of their servers during a time when electricity conservation is encouraged."

Your reading into what you want to hear I'm thinking, probably because of threads people shit up in the past. Your view on his post is not objective, it's subjective, and you shouldn't pass on assumptions of what he meant as facts because frankly you don't know he meant because he didn't elaborate on it, and my interpretation of what he meant is as feasible as yours so there is no merit to "he meant to say we can't discuss" being the objective truth. Unless lupinko trolled in previous threads.

And just who in the hell is actually doing that? Until you find someone that is, a stfu is in order. This is like the 3rd thread you guys have ambushed with your guilt tripping BS. Noone anywhere is being an asshole about it.

Never pointed fingers, just laid out what i thought was acceptable grounds for discussion. Doesn't stop people from slinging insults around as I can see here. Never been to any of said threads, so don't classify me under "you guys" off the basis of assumptions, please and thank you.

Dude what are you talking about? There were no others, just lupinko. He came in here BEFORE ANYONE ELSE, and told basically everyone that would come in that the earthquake situation is more important than anything else right now.

True to a point, but how can you tell us not to talk about the FFXIV servers going down in a topic specifically for them on a message board? I'm sure someone here is playing these games and would like to know that!

The situations and "arguements" and blah blah that you stated don't even exist here. Come on.

Yeah I'm still not seeing this bit where he "basically" yet explicity said you guys weren't allowed to talk about the implications on gamers. I still think you guys are paraphrasing by providing your own context, see my examples of what I read above.

 

[BocoDragon]

I picture all the FFXI players going out for the first time in ages and playing outside...

Set to this music.

 

[BishopLamont]

I think at this point there are more important matters than videogames.

This is a videogames forum, people die everyday, doesn't mean the world stops. Get over it.

self-righteous crap

yes yes, you're a knight in shining armor, want a cookie?

 

[confused]

Also pertaining to your most recent reply too:

You read "I think we should not talk about video games and we should talk about the quake because it is more important."

I read "Square's priorities at the moment are centered on the current disaster at hand and are currently more important than the upkeep of their servers during a time when electricity conservation is encouraged."
Your reading into what you want to hear I'm thinking, probably because of threads people shit up in the past. Your view on his post is not objective, it's subjective, and you shouldn't pass on assumptions of what he meant as facts because frankly you don't know he meant because he didn't elaborate on it, and my interpretation of what he meant is as feasible as yours so there is no merit to "he meant to say we can't discuss" being the objective truth. Unless lupinko trolled in previous threads.


Never pointed fingers, just laid out what i thought was acceptable grounds for discussion. Doesn't stop people from slinging insults around as I can see here. Never been to any of said threads, so don't classify me under "you guys" off the basis of assumptions, please and thank you.



Yeah I'm still not seeing this bit where he "basically" yet explicity said you guys weren't allowed to talk about the implications on gamers. I still think you guys are paraphrasing by providing your own context, see my examples of what I read above.

He gave a general blanket statement that at this point there are more important things going on in the world than videogames. Isn't that the truth everyday ? Why did he feel the need to mention it today and not last week ?

What was his reason for coming into this thread to post that ? What does it add to the discussion at hand? It was a troll at best.

 

[Cosmic Dreams]

Exactly. I guess we're all supposed to gather our shit and move to the Earthquake thread to sing campfire songs and unite.

He looks like a righteous douchebag posting that shit at the beginning of this thread. Like no one can discuss anything until this blows over.

GTFO.

I can't tell if you're on confused's side or not, but you sound like an asshole.

 

[daffy]

Also pertaining to your most recent reply too:

You read "I think we should not talk about video games and we should talk about the quake because it is more important."

I read "Square's priorities at the moment are centered on the current disaster at hand and are currently more important than the upkeep of their servers during a time when electricity conservation is encouraged."

Your reading into what you want to hear I'm thinking, probably because of threads people shit up in the past. Your view on his post is not objective, it's subjective, and you shouldn't pass on assumptions of what he meant as facts because frankly you don't know he meant because he didn't elaborate on it, and my interpretation of what he meant is as feasible as yours so there is no merit to "he meant to say we can't discuss" being the objective truth. Unless lupinko trolled in previous threads.


Never pointed fingers, just laid out what i thought was acceptable grounds for discussion. Doesn't stop people from slinging insults around as I can see here. Never been to any of said threads, so don't classify me under "you guys" off the basis of assumptions, please and thank you.



Yeah I'm still not seeing this bit where he "basically" yet explicity said you guys weren't allowed to talk about the implications on gamers. I still think you guys are paraphrasing by providing your own context, see my examples of what I read above.

He didn't state it explicitly, just by making the first post in the thread and not contributing anything to the topic was statement enough. Also the fact that he hasn't made another post here yet.

I'm done here, I just thought it was dumb to make a first post like that and I said something, I won't continue to derail this thread any longer.

 

[confused]

I can't tell if you're on confused's side or not, but you sound like an asshole.

FTH is on my side of the discussion and made some decent points.

 

[BishopLamont]

I can't tell if you're on confused's side or not, but you sound like an asshole.

It's better to be an asshole than an ignorant fool.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I was just getting back into leveling my NIN too.

Oh well. That hardly matters after this. Here's hoping everyone working on the games is given enough time to attend to whatever they need after such a tragic disaster. Hopefully the XIV community understands having to see a week or more delay in the patches and updates.

 

[enzo_gt]

He gave a general blanket statement that at this point there are more important things going on in the world than videogames. Isn't that the truth everyday ? Why did he feel the need to mention it today and not last week ?

What was his reason for coming into this thread to post that ? What does it add to the discussion at hand? It was a troll at best.

It may not have added much to the discussion I agree, but yes there are more important things going on but specifically in the past two days: a natural disaster of grand proportions.

I don't know what more I can say to prove to you it's a matter of perspective, you say it's a troll, yet my explanation of how the server maintenance could be taking a backseat to conserving power usage in the national effort to keep reactors cooled is still 100% a feasible extrapolation of his brief post in the same way your explanation of his post is, with different contexts. Whose is right? Neither. Only lupinko knows and he's MIA.

A very vague 12 word sentence being extrapolated into a plea for silence for all the discussions on the implications of the quake on gaming, and being out for blood because of it just seems a bit much to me considering the large amount of uncertainty that's what he actually meant, and the large amount of assumption that that IS what he actually meant.

 

[Cetra]

Typical of SE only looking out for their own kind. They sure as hell didn't shut down servers when Katrina hit.

Wow... You can't possibly be serious. I mean... Really?!

 

[BishopLamont]

It may not have added much to the discussion I agree, but yes there are more important things going on but specifically in the past two days: a natural disaster of grand proportions.

I don't know what more I can say to prove to you it's a matter of perspective, you say it's a troll, yet my explanation of how the server maintenance could be taking a backseat to conserving power usage in the national effort to keep reactors cooled is still 100% a feasible extrapolation of his brief post in the same way your explanation of his post is, with different contexts. Whose is right? Neither. Only lupinko knows and he's MIA.

A very vague 12 word sentence being extrapolated into a plea for silence for all the discussions on the implications of the quake on gaming, and being out for blood because of it just seems a bit much to me considering the large amount of uncertainty that's what he actually meant, and the large amount of assumption that that IS what he actually meant.

How bout you and your buddies stop invading GAMING THREADS with your guilt trip bs?

 

[zerokoolpsx]

I think at this point there are more important matters than videogames.

Yep x1000.

 

[Cedille]

Understable as it is, some players living outside of Japan wouldn't be convinced, and that's part of why they should've separated serves by languages or regions. They should charge less monthly fee April instead.

If not so much complaints are delivered, perhaps that's mostly because many people no longer care about XI nor XIV anymore.

EDIT: I missed the announcement and just knew they wouldn't charge April's fee.

 

[Forbiden]

It may not have added much to the discussion I agree, but yes there are more important things going on but specifically in the past two days: a natural disaster of grand proportions.

And there is a thread dedicated specifically for that in the off topic section. This is the gaming section for a reason, see: to talk about gaming related news and not about other shit.

Either way, the official news from SE say that they'll suspend for at least a week, but given the fact that they are not going to charge through April, it seems likely that the games will be down for more than one week, and perhaps more than one month.

 

[enzo_gt]

How bout you and your buddies stop invading GAMING THREADS with your guilt trip bs?

Hey! Looks like you missed the part about us discussing the legitimacy of discussing the impact of the earthquake on GAMES, and somehow only managed to read the bit containing my alternate explanation for what lupinko could have meant. How unfortunate. Perhaps you should go back as read the rest of the post, and the rest of everyones posts? While your at it, you should look up what a guilt trip is too because it appears you do not know what the term means, as there is no induction of such to be seen here.

I don't care if any of you don't care about implications of the quake in real life, or don't want to discuss it on this board. Just acknowledge that the implications from the quake do affect more than just the gaming industry, and as a result, implications on say the electrical infrastructure can cascade to affect the gaming industry. And do acknowledge that this is a possibility instead of everyone who talks about the quake in gaming being someone who is a troll or on a mission to stop gamers from talking about gaming on a topic that involves more than just gaming anyways.

And there is a thread dedicated specifically for that in the off topic section. This is the gaming section for a reason, see: to talk about gaming related news and not about other shit.

Either way, the official news from SE say that they'll suspend for at least a week, but given the fact that they are not going to charge through April, it seems likely that the games will be down for more than one week, and perhaps more than one month.

I didn't know "other shit" was the earthquake in Japan, and that we weren't allowed to discuss it's relation to the shutdown of gaming servers in a thread entitled "Japan Quake to possibly affect Square-Enix servers."

 

[Haunted]

I think at this point there are more important matters than videogames.

Thanks for trying to shut down discussion on related events?

Or were you trying to play Captain Obvious?

Or were you trying to give everyone a sense of perspective (coming off as incredibly condescending)?


Honestly not sure what your post was supposed to accomplish. The backlash is deserved.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Typical of SE only looking out for their own kind. They sure as hell didn't shut down servers when Katrina hit.

Hand on forehead compilation jpg. Why even post this, no relation at all. South Louisiana had no SE servers or big gaming dev houses that I'm aware of. Stores did shut down, Saints did move, etc though.

 

[BocoDragon]

Innocent people biting the troll bait, I see.

 

[Grinchy]

If only Square could have thought to cast Float on Japan...

 

[BocoDragon]

If only Square could have thought to cast Float on Japan...

OMG....

Nuclear Reactor: Vanish + X-Zone!!

...anyone tried that??

 

[The Faceless Master]

I think at this point there are more important matters than videogames.

AS USUAL, FIRST REPLY NAILS IT!

GO NEOGAF!

 

[iconoclast]

If only Square could have thought to cast Float on Japan...

You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch.

 

[confused]

Hand on forehead compilation jpg. Why even post this, no relation at all. South Louisiana had no SE servers or big gaming dev houses that I'm aware of. Stores did shut down, Saints did move, etc though.

Facepalm compilation for not seeing the joke, even though it was explained, in this very thread.

AS USUAL, FIRST REPLY NAILS IT!

GO NEOGAF!

There are always more important things than videogames. GTFO please.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

If only Square could have thought to c.................apan...

Guys let's stop for a second and regather ourselves. Start this whole thread over. We don't need jokes about Japan, or any of these facebook like posts. We also don't need to feel that we can't talk about how the earthquake is effecting more than Japan even if it's just entertainment, electronic products, or whatever and not lives. Japan contributes a lot to the world and them having to restructure will effect it in some ways, and we should be able to talk about it or be informed on it.

Yes there are more important things going on and we may know about them already, and maybe we don't yet (the news is focused on Japan now, no idea if some other event happened lately. Civil war in Egypt?).

I hope Japan pulls through this, and it's good that everyone there is doing their part to conserve energy. It's the worst season there to be without power.

Edit: About not seeing the jokes. I had a clue that he may have been joking but it's not really something to laugh at still. Like the cast float person, would people feel it's ok to joke about the trade center and planes crashing just days after 9/11? Let's not be like that. It's not funny, it just makes you look like a jerk. Which is why people probably don't hesitate to remove facebook friends after jokes on this topic. It's just ugly.

 

[Cyborg]

Who cares about a server when lifes are lost? Some amazing nerds you have here. Get a life.

 

[confused]

Who cares about a server when lifes are lost? Some amazing nerds you have here. Get a life.

Who cares about lives lost when a server is shut down ? Your priorities are straight fucked up dude.

Seriously, people die everyday. Should that mean we can never talk about games again ?

The thing is, most people on this board aren't immediately affected by the earthquake. Yet a couple of thousand people will be directly affected by the closing of these servers and they deserve to be informed.

Edit : First line is sarcasm for those unable to detect it.

 

[Seraphis Cain]

Who cares about a server when lifes are lost? Some amazing nerds you have here. Get a life.

So no more posting about anything Japanese gaming related until the crisis is officially over?

Time to shut down the Gaming side of the forum, I guess.

 

[BocoDragon]

I feel like we have the makings of a new post-9/11 era in terms of how sensitive and censor-y people are.....

I think most people on GAF are pretty worried about the Japan situation. Let them enjoy their games, dayum.

 

[Zomba13]

Who cares about a server when lifes are lost? Some amazing nerds you have here. Get a life.

Correct me if I'm wrong but is there anyone in this thread saying this isn't a good thing? From what I've seen all the FFXI players that have posted here understand why this is happening and can see that the power used to maintain the servers is better used for more important things right now.
No need to call people names.

Also, lives are lost everyday. Lives that could have easily been saved if they had more aid, water or food. Should we not discuss anything then? Yes it's a tragedy what has happened but we can't do much (most of us anyway) apart from donate to relief efforts. Should we all just stop what we normally do until Japan is back to being 100%?

 

[Baloonatic]

Is it alright to talk about games that don't come from Japan? I just want to be clear on the rules.

Also, what's the exact amount of time allowed to pass before we can talk about anything other than the disaster? I thought a week at first but that seems a bit disrespectful. A month is far too long, though. Two weeks? 17 days? Please, be exact. I wouldn't want to upset anyone.

 

[Lost Fragment]

I don't see how discussing gaming-related implications of the earthquake is in any way disrespectful. Unless people are being like "waaaaah Square Enix are assholes for shutting down the servers because of the earthquake!" and acting like spoiled prats about it in general. And that hasn't really happened in this thread.

Things are going to be affected by the earthquake and those issues are pertinent to this forum. That's all there is to it. I think the issue here is that some people are just fishing for things to be offended by.

 

[Cyborg]

Correct me if I'm wrong but is there anyone in this thread saying this isn't a good thing? From what I've seen all the FFXI players that have posted here understand why this is happening and can see that the power used to maintain the servers is better used for more important things right now.
No need to call people names.

Also, lives are lost everyday. Lives that could have easily been saved if they had more aid, water or food. Should we not discuss anything then? Yes it's a tragedy what has happened but we can't do much (most of us anyway) apart from donate to relief efforts. Should we all just stop what we normally do until Japan is back to being 100%?

No you should be playing games........and then bitch about it when something like this happens to your country.
I didnt say to stop playing games, and I do understand de FF players, but show some respect.

 

[BocoDragon]

Is it alright to talk about games that don't come from Japan? I just want to be clear on the rules.

Also, what's the exact amount of time allowed to pass before we can talk about anything other than the disaster? I thought a week at first but that seems a bit disrespectful. A month is far too long, though. Two weeks? 17 days? Please, be exact. I wouldn't want to upset anyone.

Talk about Mass Effect.

For gods sake... talk about Mass Effect!!!

 

[confused]

No you should be playing games........and then bitch about it when something like this happens to your country.
I didnt say to stop playing games, and I do understand de FF players, but show some respect.

Who's not showing respect ? Even the FF players understand what's going on. We all do.You're just being an uptight dick. Nobody's blaming Japan or Se for shutting down the servers.

 

[Seraphis Cain]

No you should be playing games........and then bitch about it when something like this happens to your country.
I didnt say to stop playing games, and I do understand de FF players, but show some respect.

Explain to me how anything in this thread is being disrespectful (save for the obvious troll posts)? Square-Enix made an official announcement regarding FFXI/FFXIV's servers. That announcement was posted here so people would be aware. Who's being disrespectful?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

This thread sure went to shit. A lot of people will probably get banned and they deserved it, because wow.

Anyways, yes the servers were all shut down. The datacenter that Squenix locates it's servers in asked all clients to bring down all non-"mission critical" servers to conserve power. That datacenter also hosts a great deal of NTT infrastructure, for example, which was not shut down. Also some parts of Japan have been starting to get "rolling blackouts" not unlike the ones seen in California during the infamous Enron-caused energy crisis which destroyed Gray Davis's political career. A number of power plants in Japan remain offline, including the two nuclear power plants in Fukushima which are overheating and still in danger.

 

[DrXym]

I think SE have made a bold decision. Nobody likes turning off servers because of the uncertainty of what happens when you turn them back on. Given the circumstances it's the morally right thing to do.

 

[IonicSnake]

I fully support their decision, until Japan can get back on its feets I can wait.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I think SE have made a bold decision. Nobody likes turning off servers because of the uncertainty of what happens when you turn them back on.

Do servers get up on the wrong side of the bed?

 

[BocoDragon]

The worst thing is that this is going to ruin FFXIV's good reputation...

 

[Ploid 3.0]

The worst thing is that this is going to ruin FFXIV's good reputation...

I think this will help it in the end. While everything is down and FFXi is down, everyone can focus on making FFXIV great, or try to. When it's back up it will most likely be launched with new content, fixes, and whatever they need to add. The patches everyone was waiting on should be ready by then.

 

[coldvein]

hahahaha @ this thread. thanks guys.

 

[Gravijah]

The very fact that we as humans spend money on video games at all while people in other countries are suffering, starving and dying is a messed up thing. But that's another discussion entirely.

 

[dak1dsk1]

This is an outrage! I paid for a service!

Edit. surely it's the "morally right" thing to do... but still will the consumers understand?

 

[Dega]

I played FFXIV a lot and this doesnt bother me at all. They have more important things to deal with at the moment.

 

[Cmagus]

I played FFXIV a lot and this doesnt bother me at all. They have more important things to deal with at the moment.

Same, they gotta conserve energy to get through the crisis I am fine with giving up the game for awhile till they get things sorted over there. Maybe I will go outside now ... maybe. Best wishes to Japan and the J-gaffers here.

 

[Dega]

Same, they gotta conserve energy to get through the crisis I am fine with giving up the game for awhile till they get things sorted over there. Maybe I will go outside now ... maybe. Best wishes to Japan and the J-gaffers here.

wtf is this shit?! Lets not do anything drastic now.