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[krypt0nian]

If they are negative about PS3, they must be ready to plunge a sword into their bellies over X360. Right now, the X360 is not worth the shelf space it is taking up in Japan and it does not look any better. So, if developers are "meh on PS3", not doing anything for X360, where do they expect to make money? Conclusion: I find these polls to be short on worth and long on excrement.

The NA market awaits the brave.

 

[jarrod]

Also, don't forget VF5, DMC4, RE5, SH5, ND Jungle, Assassins Creed, GTA5, Bioshock, Heavenly Sword, GT5..etc.
Then there are the likely suprises, WipEout, C&C3, Killzone, Obsidian rpg, Getaway and so on.

Outside VF5 (on a pretty limited scale) I don't see any of those really driving JP sales... thank goodness there's also the promise of FFXIII.

Speaking of which, I wonder what Square Enix's cutoff point is for deciding which platform gets DQIX? End of 2007?

 

[Hunter D]

What if MGS4 was a worldwide launch... So much power in Kojima's hands, he could single-handedly stop the entire world.

That would mean next years combination of Halo 3 and the Halo movie will stop the entire universe.

Halo 2 crushed every game except GTA in sales. If the Halo movie does half the box office that the spiderman movies do nintendo and sony would be in some serious trouble.

 

[jon61586]

Also, don't forget VF5, DMC4, RE5, SH5, ND Jungle, Assassins Creed, GTA5, Bioshock, Heavenly Sword, GT5..etc.
Then there are the likely suprises, WipEout, C&C3, Killzone, Obsidian rpg, Getaway and so on.

The last 4 games aren't exactly selling titles in Japan but outside of Japan that's a different story.

 

[Wollan]

Plus ZOE3, FFXIII, GOW3....

I would bet those are 2008+ titles though.

 

[jon61586]

Also what's the deal with Bioshock I haven' t heard anything about a PS3 version other than PSM but nowhere else. Can someone fill me in.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Also, don't forget VF5, DMC4, RE5, SH5, ND Jungle, Assassins Creed, GTA5, Bioshock, Heavenly Sword, GT5..etc.
Then there are the likely suprises, WipEout, C&C3, Killzone, Obsidian rpg, Getaway and so on.

That list is like XMAS and I am 10 years old again. Now, if I can just get my parents to buy my PS3 for me...:lol Seriously, the list of games for PS3 is just filled with tremendous potential. When the price drops, I will be spending a lot of money methinks.

 

[WalkMan]

That would mean next years combination of Halo 3 and the Halo movie will stop the entire universe.

Halo 2 crushed every game except GTA in sales. If the Halo movie does half the box office that the spiderman movies do nintendo and sony would be in some serious trouble.

Yes because a Halo movie could destroy the entire game industry!

 

[-Damien-]

That would mean next years combination of Halo 3 and the Halo movie will stop the entire universe.

Halo 2 crushed every game except GTA in sales. If the Halo movie does half the box office that the spiderman movies do nintendo and sony would be in some serious trouble.

:lol :lol :lol Halo Movie :lol :lol :lol

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Yes because a Halo movie could destroy the entire game industry!

The Halo novel coming out soon will destroy some game releases sales this year. The movie, the game, the multiplayer. The ultimate gaming franchise. But this is off topic and not relevant to the PS3 developers' reaction to PS3. Unless of course, they see the Halo franchise as something to shoot for on PS3.

 

[medrew]

That would mean next years combination of Halo 3 and the Halo movie will stop the entire universe.

Halo 2 crushed every game except GTA in sales. If the Halo movie does half the box office that the spiderman movies do nintendo and sony would be in some serious trouble.

:lol
Tomb Raider did a third of the gross of Spiderman and look where that ended up.

 

[Wollan]

That would mean next years combination of Halo 3 and the Halo movie will stop the entire universe.

Halo 2 crushed every game except GTA in sales. If the Halo movie does half the box office that the spiderman movies do nintendo and sony would be in some serious trouble.

Halo 2 sold 7mill while MGS sell ~5mill.
Also, GTA wasn't the best seller(unless you combine all titles), GT3 sold ~15mill.
I don't see how the Halo movie could change this at all. Last time I heard, a half-hearted Del Toro was assigned to it.

 

[bud]

Outside VF5 (on a pretty limited scale) I don't see any of those really driving JP sales... thank goodness there's also the promise of FFXIII.

Speaking of which, I wonder what Square Enix's cutoff point is for deciding which platform gets DQIX? End of 2007?

first gt on ps3 won't drive sales?

lolz

 

[jarrod]

first gt on ps3 won't drive sales?

lolz

Not if it's Gran Turismo HD.

I missed GT5 though, that should be huge whenever it hits. Mingol 5 will be big in Japan too, probably PS3's 1st JP million seller. Looking at Japan, the biggest announced games are (with any chance of moving 1m+ units)...

-Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix)
-Final Fantasy Vs XIII (Square Enix)
-Gran Turismo HD (SCEI)
-Minna no Golf 5 (SCEI)
-Monster Hunter 3 (Capcom)

...beyond that though, there's some solid stuff (VF5, RR7, Biohazard 5, DMC4, MGS4, etc) but the success of that stuff rides more on PS3's performance than the reverse imo.

 

[Konnjuta]

Halo 2 crushed every game except GTA in sales.

:lol :lol :lol

Yes. Now explain why halo2 is at the bottom of this list.

Super Mario BrosNESNintendo 40.24
Pokemon Red / Blue / GreenGBNintendo 31.37
TetrisGBNintendo 30.26
Duck HuntNESNintendo 28.31
Pokemon Gold / SilverGBNintendo 23.10
Super Mario WorldSNESNintendo 20.61
Super Mario LandGBNintendo 18.14
Super Mario Bros 3NESNintendo 17.28
The SimsPCEA 16.08
Pokemon Ruby / SapphireGBANintendo 14.74
Pokemon YellowGBNintendo 14.64
Gran Turismo 3 A-SpecPS2Sony 14.36
Grand Theft Auto: Vice CityPS2Take 2 13.63
Grand Theft Auto: San AndreasPS2Take 2 13.44
Super Mario 64N64Nintendo 11.89
Grand Theft Auto 3PS2Take 2 11.42
Super Mario Land 2GBNintendo 11.18
Gran TurismoPSSony 10.84
Super Mario AllstarsSNESNintendo 10.55
Mario Kart 64N64Nintendo 9.87
Final Fantasy VIIPSSquare 9.72
Gran Turismo 2PSSony 9.34
Donkey Kong CountrySNESNintendo 9.30
Pokemon Fire Red / Leaf GreenGBANintendo 9.12
Super Mario KartSNESNintendo 8.76
GoldenEye 007N64Nintendo 8.09
Final Fantasy XPS2Square 7.93
Final Fantasy VIIIPSSquare 7.86
MystPCBroderbund 7.79
Halo 2XBXMicrosoft 7.75


A bit deluded aren't we?

:lol :lol :lol

http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php

 

[Wollan]

Mingol is Everybodys Golf right? That's a launch game from last time I heard.

 

[Jokeropia]

GT is not quite as huge in Japan as it is in the West. GT3 sold 1.89 million which of course is still respectable, but a pretty small part of the 14.36 million worldwide.

I'm not really a fan of GT so I don't know the story behind it, but GT4 apparently did a lot worse with "only" 6.58 million sold worldwide. (1.09 million in Japan.) Can anyone explain why that is?

 

[Wollan]

Delays, delays, delays. And more of the same on the same hardware.
GT5 will easily go over 10mill again.

 

[jon61586]

GT is not quite as huge in Japan as it is in the West. GT3 sold 1.89 million which of course is still respectable, but a pretty small part of the 14.36 million worldwide.

I'm not really a fan of GT so I don't know the story behind it, but GT4 apparently did a lot worse with "only" 6.58 million sold worldwide. (1.09 million in Japan.) Can anyone explain why that is?

GT3 took over 5 years to reach that amount GT4 was released last year and it sold 6.5 million.

 

[SolidSnakex]

GT is not quite as huge in Japan as it is in the West. GT3 sold 1.89 million which of course is still respectable, but a pretty small part of the 14.36 million worldwide.

I'm not really a fan of GT so I don't know the story behind it, but GT4 apparently did a lot worse with "only" 6.58 million sold worldwide. (1.09 million in Japan.) Can anyone explain why that is?

So an instead million seller doesn't qualify as huge in Japan? When its the only racing series that's able to consistantly do that number i'd say it is.

 

[Konnjuta]

And more of the same on the same hardware.

Thats pretty much it. I mean GT4 is awesome but its really not worth the full price $50US if you already have GT3 - Some fanatics might think it is . Hell even I don't want to buy it at the platinum price that they have it now. But GT5 ... hehehehe

 

[djkimothy]

Arstechnica has been posting a lot of FUD PS3 articles lately. And their Sony bias is a little telling.


Japanese developers' reaction to the PS3: meh
Analyst: PS3's hardware complexity could hinder production
Sony boss: Microsoft copies everything we do
PS3 too expensive," 88 percent say, as Wii dominates Japan

They even link to a story originated by *GASP* The inquirer *GASP* in the second link.

Biased maybe? And this doesn't include their favouritism with HD-DVD over Blu-Ray.

BTW jarrod, GT HD will never see the light of day, the next GT that will be released will be the true GT5.

 

[Ranger X]

So, according to GAF, the whole freaking world is giving a big "meh" to the PS3...
I don't know what this all really represent but i sure must not be alone in the "meh" crowd.

 

[Chiggs]

Biased maybe? And this doesn't include their favouritism with HD-DVD over Blu-Ray.

Arstechnica has always been one of the most fair tech sites on the net. A news item that contains negative elements about Sony, Blu-Ray and/or the PS3, is not necessarily FUD...

Spoiler

...unless you're a PS3 fanboy.

 

[djkimothy]

Arstechnica has always been one of the most fair tech sites on the net. The only story that is truly questionable is the second one.

Typically they do. But ever since the HD-DVD incident i tend to be more skeptical with their articles. It's almost as if they want Sony to fail. I really don't care, but makes for shoddy journalism.

Their forums though are unwelcoming to even the casualist of Playstation gamers.

 

[Chiggs]

Their forums though are unwelcoming to even the casualist of Playstation gamers.

Argh! You caught my pre-edit post!

Anyway, I did not know that about their forums. Interesting.

 

[djkimothy]

Argh! You caught my pre-edit post!

Anyway, I did not know that about their forums. Interesting.

LOL, my net ninja skills are not to underestimated. :lol

But yah, I agree with your edit.

 

[iapetus]

67% of Japanese developers aren't less confident about the PS3 after the E3 showing?

Those crazy Japanese...

 

[jarrod]

Mingol is Everybodys Golf right? That's a launch game from last time I heard.

Yeah, I missed it before. Next gen Q3/Q4 2006 in Japan is currently looking like...

PlayStation 3
-Fatal Inertia (Koei)
-Hitsuji Mura (Success)
-Mahjong Takai (Koei)
-Minna no Golf 5 (SCEI)
-Ridge Racer 7 (Namco Bandai)
-Sonic the Hedgehog (SEGA)

Wii
-Cadeucus Neo (Atlus)
-Dragon Ball Z Sparkling! NEO (Namco Bandai)
-Dragon Quest Sword: Kamen no Joou to Kagami no Tou (Square Enix)
-Elebits (Konami)
-Excite Truck (Nintendo)
-Made in Wario (Nintendo)
-Necronesia (Spike)
-Sukatto Golf Pangya (Tecmo)
-Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz (SEGA)
-Wii Music (Nintendo)
-Wii Sports (Nintendo)
-Zelda no Densetsu: Tasogare no Himegimi (Nintendo)

Xbox 360
-AquaZone (Frontier)
-A-reisha de Ikou X (ArtDink)
-Armored Core 4 (From Software)
-Blue Dragon (MGSJ)
-Bomberman Act: Zero (Hudson)
-Bullet Witch (AQ Interactive)
-Chikyuu Boueigun X (D3 Publisher)
-Chrome Hounds (SEGA)
-Condemned: Psycho Crime (SEGA)
-Culdcept Saga (Namco Bandai)
-Dead or Alive Xtreme 2 (Tecmo)
-Dead Rising (Capcom)
-Full Auto (SEGA)
-Gears of War (MGSJ)
-Kengo Zero (Genki)
-Kidou Sensei Gundam: Operation Troy (Namco Bandai)
-KOF Maximum Impact 2.5 (SNK Playmore)
-Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Capcom)
-Major League Baseball 2K6 (Spike)
-Oneechanbara X (D3 Publisher)
-Operation Darkness (Success)
-Phantasy Star Universe (SEGA)
-Project Sylph (Square Enix)
-Samurai Dou Online (Spike)
-Sengoku Musou 2 (Koei)
-Senko no Rondo Rev.X (G.rev)
-Shutoko Battle X (Genki)
-Sonic the Hedgehog (SEGA)
-Tenchu (From Software)
-Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advance War Fighter (Ubisoft)
-Top Spin 2 (MGSJ)
-Trusty Bell: Chopin no Yume (Namco Bandai)
-Vampire's Rain (AQ Interactive)
-Viva Piñata (MGSJ)
-Winning Eleven: Pro Evolution Soccer 2007 (Konami)
-Zegapain XOR (Namco Bandai)
-Zoo Keeper (Success)

...I expect we'll get a better picture at TGS though. That PS3 list has *got* to fill out some, no?

 

[DenogginizerOS]

How about we see what happens after the Tokyo Game Show? If developers are still "meh", I'd say there may be a little cause for concern for Sony. However, I don't think this will be the case.

 

[jarrod]

So an instead million seller doesn't qualify as huge in Japan? When its the only racing series that's able to consistantly do that number i'd say it is.

It's also the only million selling racing series to ever appear on platforms with a 10m+ base. We'll see what happens when GT PSP releases (if it ever releases)... as is, it's nice to know Mario Kart's reclaimed it's crown.

 

[Treo360]

:lol :lol :lol

Yes. Now explain why halo2 is at the bottom of this list.


Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec PS2 Sony 14.36
Grand Theft Auto: Vice CityPS2Take 2 13.63
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas PS2 Take 2 13.44
Grand Theft Auto 3 PS2 Take 2 11.42
Gran Turismo 2 PS Sony 9.34
Final Fantasy X PS2 Square 7.93
Halo 2XBXMicrosoft 7.75
Halo XBX Microsoft 6.61
Metal Gear Solid 2 PS2 Konami 5.59

A bit deluded aren't we?

:lol :lol :lol

http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php

Fixed for clarity
I guess you neglected to yank out older generation games, also handheld/pc games (as the original poster was making a reference to MGS/Halo games)

So in the end, at the bottom of the list it's the MGS series and not the Halo series.

And yes the op is a bit delusional in saying that H2 destroyed the competition.

 

[Mandoric]

That would mean next years combination of Halo 3 and the Halo movie will stop the entire universe.

Halo 2 crushed every game except GTA in sales. If the Halo movie does half the box office that the spiderman movies do nintendo and sony would be in some serious trouble.

Halo 2 didn't even beat FF10 worldwide, dooder. And the idea that the movie's producing studio raking in moderate dough would have any effect on actual gaming is laughable.

Edit: And on-topic and less late, it's plainly obvious that PS3 isn't what the Japanese developer base necessarily wants, but is what they're gonna have to work with; Wii doesn't have the horsepower to take Sony's market even though it's likely to carve out a huge one of its own, and X360 isn't even living up to XBox. Nintendo will definitely gain, but it's a bit of a two-pillar situation at best for them.

 

[Terrell]

That would mean next years combination of Halo 3 and the Halo movie will stop the entire universe.

Halo 2 crushed every game except GTA in sales. If the Halo movie does half the box office that the spiderman movies do nintendo and sony would be in some serious trouble.

Jeez... a game, a book, a movie... all it needs is a cartoon show and a breakfast cereal, and I'd swear that marketers are still trying to sell my generation products in the same way they did when I was 5. What's worse, it seems to still be working.

 

[Razoric]

Halo 2 didn't even beat FF10 worldwide, dooder. And the idea that the movie's producing studio raking in moderate dough would have any effect on actual gaming is laughable.

Edit: And on-topic and less late, it's plainly obvious that PS3 isn't what the Japanese developer base necessarily wants, but is what they're gonna have to work with; Wii doesn't have the horsepower to take Sony's market even though it's likely to carve out a huge one of its own, and X360 isn't even living up to XBox. Nintendo will definitely gain, but it's a bit of a two-pillar situation at best for them.

That's pretty much what I see happening. Wii is going to absolutely storm Japan but not necessarily at the PS3's expense. I can see it taking some of the hype away from PS3 though, if not, completely due to it's runaway success (kinda like the DS).

 

[Warm Machine]

PS3 best third party support??? Where have you been and who have you been listening to over the last 9 months because I know it isn't people in the development community.

 

[jarrod]

That's pretty much what I see happening. Wii is going to absolutely storm Japan but not necessarily at the PS3's expense. I can see it taking some of the hype away from PS3 though, if not, completely due to it's runaway success (kinda like the DS).

What if Wii gets DQ9? Then the market leading, system selling RPGs would all be on different machines (Pokemon on DS, FF on PS3, DQ on Wii).

 

[SolidSnakex]

PS3 best third party support??? Where have you been and who have you been listening to over the last 9 months because I know it isn't people in the development community.

You can just look at the lineups, they speak for themself.

 

[jett]

That'd be nice if it weren't for the fact that 99% of third party games on post-SNES Nintendo consoles dance to the rhythm of la bomba.

 

[kenta]

Also, don't forget VF5, DMC4, RE5, SH5, ND Jungle, Assassins Creed, GTA5, Bioshock, Heavenly Sword, GT5..etc.
Then there are the likely suprises, WipEout, C&C3, Killzone, Obsidian rpg, Getaway and so on.

This post made my mouth water

 

[Jokeropia]

So an instead million seller doesn't qualify as huge in Japan? When its the only racing series that's able to consistantly do that number i'd say it is.

Did you read my post? I did state that GT's Japan sales were respectable. My comment regarding GT4 was more of a question than anything else as I really don't know what made it sell that much less than GT3. Sure, it hasn't been out for as long but does it really sell so much currently that it might eventually match GT3's figures?

I suppose the "more of the same" explanation could work.

 

[jon61586]

When was Command & Conquer 3 announced for anything but the PC?

 

[jarrod]

That'd be nice if it weren't for the fact that 99% of third party games on post-SNES Nintendo consoles dance to the rhythm of la bomba.

Who said anything about consoles?

 

[Terrell]

You can just look at the lineups, they speak for themself.

You mean the tentative lineups that are completely and utterly subject to change? Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[Brofist]

Who said anything about consoles?

enough freakin DS talk already, we are talking about real next gen in here

 

[SolidSnakex]

You mean the tentative lineups that are completely and utterly subject to change? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Umm yah obviously, that's all you can judge at the moment.

 

[jarrod]

enough freakin DS talk already, we are talking about real next gen in here

We're talking about where Japan needs to head. Right now, DS looks like the best bet for their investments, by a gigantic margin.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

You can just look at the lineups, they speak for themself.

This to me is where the PS3 is still the strongest overall. And as I have stated, software is what matters most. As a matter of fact, Kojima recently stated that he thought the PS3 will be the system to have come 2007 and 2008 because of the strong lineup (his game included )

 

[Brofist]

We're talking about where Japan needs to head. Right now, DS looks like the best bet for their investments, by a gigantic margin.

making black and white games with stick figures as characters might be the best way for Japan to head but it doesn't mean I want to play them. The day DS is the lead platform for developers is the day I stop gaming.

 

[jarrod]

making black and white games with stick figures as characters might be the best way for Japan to head but it doesn't mean I want to play them. The day DS is the lead platform for developers is the day I stop gaming.

Get ready to find a new hobby... unless you like bald space marines by chance?