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Jeb! Bush on Gun Violence: "Stuff Happens"

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I love that we already went past the double-down or walk-back phase.

Saving everyone time!
 
Is it freaking anyone else out how Donald Trump is actually the most likeable candidate from the GOP hopefuls?

I mean I don't agree with most of the things he says, but I never feel the same animosity towards him as I do the other candidates.
 
Marty Chinn said:
He's not wrong to a degree. Having a knee jerk reaction to an event is likely the wrong thing to do. So on that level, he's right. Where he's wrong is that not having a knee jerk reaction doesn't mean you don't take any action and that's where they all fail.
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Sometimes it takes a crisis to get things rolling. If we choose to take the "hey, stuff happens, lets just wait it out and not be rash" route every time a mass shooting happens, nothing will change.

After the outrage and sorry over the shooting dies down, what is the impetus for change? Maybe a knee jerk reaction is needed here.
 
captive said:
except that in Australia they had a kneejerk reaction to this exact type of event, and guess what hasn't happened in Australia since then?
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I'm not saying Australia had great results from their reaction. I'm just saying I don't disagree that a knee jerk response is probably not the best course of action. That doesn't mean the choice made will always be bad, just you are likely to not make a good choice. Again, knee jerk reactions aren't the wisest course, but that doesn't mean we don't take any action. The problem is all the people shouting don't jump to a response is they don't follow up with an actual well thought out response.

Interfectum said:
Sometimes it takes a crisis to get things rolling. If we choose to take the "hey, stuff happens, lets just wait it out and not be rash" route every time a mass shooting happens, nothing will change.

After the outrage and sorry over the shooting dies down, what is the impetus for change? Maybe a knee jerk reaction is needed here.
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Again, I'm not saying don't take any action. I'm saying, don't rush through in a week to push something through. Get the ball rolling for sure, but make sure it's a well thought out plan.
 
Thank you for not getting political, Jeb, unlike a certain other president.

Sans sarcasm: Unlike Obama's, Jeb's statement is incredibly dehumanizing and nihilistic.
 
The Benghazi committee got together to say "stuff happens." Then they had 8 different panel investigate, 30 public hearings, hundreds of witnesses, and years of investigations.
 
Marty Chinn said:
I'm not saying Australia had great results from their reaction. I'm just saying I don't disagree that a knee jerk response is probably not the best course of action. That doesn't mean the choice made will always be bad, just you are likely to not make a good choice. Again, knee jerk reactions aren't the wisest course, but that doesn't mean we don't take any action. The problem is all the people shouting don't jump to a response is they don't follow up with an actual well thought out response.
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I sort of agree with this (I used to a lot more) but I also think that we're well past the point that any response can be considered "knee jerk". This has been going on for a long time.
 
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"Stuff happens"
 
You can't have a kneejerk reaction to something that happens every week. At that point, if you don't do something, maybe check with the doctor since your nerves are shot.
 
The Technomancer said:
I sort of agree with this (I used to a lot more) but I also think that we're well past the point that any response can be considered "knee jerk". This has been going on for a long time.
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I actually agree with you. It does feel like we are well past the point because we keep letting it slide and don't make even the slightest progress of trying to fix or change anything. I was just speaking in general principle.
 
"No, it wasn't a mistake. I said exactly what I said. Why would you explain to me what I said wrong? Things happen all the time—things—is that better?"
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Things happen. Definitely better than stuff happening.
 
ezrarh said:
You can't have a kneejerk reaction to something that happens every week. At that point, if you don't do something, maybe check with the doctor since your nerves are shot.
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Don't you know, the clock restarts after each shooting. It's always too soon to respond with action.
 
It truly takes talent to turn the generally reasonable statement of "overreaction is not the right course"* into the hilariously insulting and diminishing "stuff happens."

*Reasonable in general, not as applied to gun control.
 
This is exactly what his base thinks though. Tons of deaths happen all the time for a ton of various reasons. It doesn't mean we shouldn't regulate more heavily to try and reduce the amount "stuff happens" surrounding firearms, but more people will die in America this year due to accidental poisoning than gun related deaths per the CDC. So the gun nut who doesn't want any regulation falls back on this concept.

What saddens me is that even though "stuff happens" we really could reduce the amount of times "stuff happens" in a given year around fire arms.

Most of the changes we would implement won't do much for these types of shootings though. Set aside all out bans on everything, which isn't going to happen. However, homicide is a smaller portion of gun death. Regulation would help reduce accidental death and such which is also a noble reason to seek reform and would have more impactl on overall gun related deaths. We don't get media coverage about accidental shootings as much as the shocking mass shooting though so it's generally out of people's minds.
 
I'm surprise he didn't just go with "Shit happens" instead.

But it's not he and his ilk care about lives, well other peoples anyways.
 
That should be the response when people bitch about anything liberals do.

I know you don't want gays getting married, but you know, stuff happens.
 
The NRA is deep up the Bush family's ass.

Ronald Reagan was open to some gun control but when George H.W. Bush became prez, he scrapped all progress made from any form of Gun Control legislation in progress.

You had to wait for Bill Clinton to become prez to actually pass the Brady Bill
 
Trident said:
It truly takes talent to turn the generally reasonable statement of "overreaction is not the right course"* into the hilariously insulting and diminishing "stuff happens."

*Reasonable in general, not as applied to gun control.
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Right. I might agree with the sentiment if someone was trying to push for ski reform after a skiing accident, but we're talking about frequent mass shootings, not sporting injuries. And even in the case of something like a skiing accident, summarizing it as "stuff happens" would feel overly cold and dismissive.
 
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