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Jeb! Bush on Gun Violence: "Stuff Happens"

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DrArchon said:
I wish this was the reason he was tanking in the polls, but we all know that's not the case.

I also morbidly wish that his brother had used this line after 9/11 and Katrina. Bet that'd go over well.
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"Helluva job, brownie" is probably the closest to this.
 
Metaphoreus said:
He did say something more meaningful than "stuff happens." He said "we need to reconnect ourselves with everyone else" and that the impulsive response to a crisis is not necessarily the right response.

This also isn't the first time Jeb responded to the shooting; shortly after the news broke yesterday, he posted to Twitter: "Praying for Umpqua Community College, the victims, and families impacted by this senseless tragedy." The response we're discussing came as an answer to a comment suggesting that increased religiosity might solve the problem--it isn't as if Bush was asked, "How do you respond to the shooting at a community college in Oregon yesterday?" and answered, "Stuff happens, bruh."



But that changes nothing--his point isn't affected by him using a new word. In fact, he used a new word in his original comment (changing from "stuff" to "crises") and it still didn't do him any good!

Like I said, this is a petty gotcha.
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The bar can't get too low, can it.
 
Wonder if he would've said the same thing if the shooter was a Muslim, immigrant, or some minority where the majority of victims were white.

"Stuff happens"

They'd be tripping over themselves calling for the National Guard
 
DrArchon said:
I wish this was the reason he was tanking in the polls, but we all know that's not the case.

I also morbidly wish that his brother had used this line after 9/11 and Katrina. Bet that'd go over well.
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Saying stuff like this can still hurt his poll numbers. I could see supporters moving to Rubio or some other establishment candidate.
 
I understand the position he's trying to describe-even though I don't agree with it-but man is that a fucked up way to say it.
 
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With yesterday's comments, Obama offered some real passion and anger over his frustrations that he hasn't been able to do more to end gun violence in America.

Jeb Bush seems almost relieved to shirk the responsibility.
 
Wow, I think even GW would have handled that more eloquently. I can't wait until debates, no way this guy could win an election.
 
He really isn't trying. Even folks on the right would be disappointed by this response. Take a stand, point out how this could relate to policy. Gah!

Of course, Ben Carson seems to be the master of saying nothing of importance and that just seems to be helping him.
 
"There's always a crisis, and we shouldn't do something about it."

Seriously? I know this is the real position of these politicians, but I'm surprised that he didn't even bother to go with mental health or longer sentencing or some other crap that has nothing to do with guns like they usually do.

Apparently we've gotten to the point where Republicans can just flat out go with the government doing nothing as their policy position.
 
AJLma said:
Wow, I think even GW would have handled that more eloquently. I can't wait until debates, no way this guy could win an election.
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There's been two debates already. Jeb did as poorly as you'd assume. His numbers have been steadily dropping since.
 
This story is trending on Facebook now. #StuffHappens
 
It's only "stuff happens" and "things happen" when it's young white males from middle class families doing horrible shit(which interestingly enough, one of the news stations made it a point that most school shootings ARE done by teen-20-something, white, middle class males). When it's minorities, time to crack down, oppress and ship them the fuck out of this country!!!
 
Stuff happens, there's always a crisis. There's an impulse to do something. And in my brother's case, he was $100% right to jump into that impulse with a full head of steam.

But, you know, any other time, it's wrong.
 
Bush said "We're in a difficult time in our country and I don't think more government is necessarliy the answer to this. I think we need to reconnect ourselves with everyone else. It's very sad to see."

"But I resist the notion—and I had this challenege as governor—because we had—look, stuff happens, there's always a crisis. And the impulse is always to do something and it's not necessarily the right thing to do."
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There's certainly quite a tendency to react to tragedies by doing something--anything--to look like things are under control and actively being corrected. Even if those changes are completely ineffective and/or stupid. That's how America ended up with mistakes like a pair of costly failed wars, and TSA agents stopping you to take your shoes off in the airport.

US gun laws are weak. They're so bad that they even places with stricter gun laws, like Mexico and Canada, end up dealing with illegal American guns. These laws absolutely need to be fixed at the national level.

Even then, though. He's right that the problem isn't just guns. The guns have been around for ages, but mass-shootings have only been on the rise recently. Gun ownership has somewhat decreased, mass shootings are up, total shootings are down. That's a social change.

I guess what I'm saying is that I would hope we could at least put together thoughtful critiques, rather than just slamming him for his conclusion. At the very least, perhaps having intelligent discussions will help educate about specifically what gun laws are needed and why.
 
cdyhybrid said:
How was this guy ever considered the favorite to win anything? Just because of his last name?
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There is a good argument that his name and Florida tenure got him to "pass" the typical vetting process. Now all of the billions have been spent on superpacs and his campaign.
 
Does Jeb...? have anything going for him whatsoever? I mean he's got the Bush name, he's proven that he really isn't "the smart one", and he doesn't even have any of the charisma of his brother Dubya. Good lord if he's really the best the Republicans can come up with and ends up getting the nomination.... yeesh.
 
Basically the same as the cowards that try to concern troll the issue by saying that it's too early to talk about "politics" after a tragedy despite this shit happening more often than a full moon now.
 
He sounds like my 9 y/o.

I try to teach him that there is an answer for every problem, you just have to think through the problem and work toward a solution and ask for help when you need help. Jeb I can teach you too.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Jeb! applies "stuff happens" theory to children drowning:

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He's a master with words.
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It's the stuff like this which always make me wonder how much these guys believe their own bullshit. It's simply not a valid comparison. The problem here isn't one child falling into a pool, but a regular stream of incidents of mass drownings.
 
A few people die a year to terrorist attacks. FUCK YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. PRIVACY BREEDS TERRORISM. 10k die a year to gun violence. DON'T YOU DARE IMPINGE ON MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
 
Log4Girlz said:
A few people die a year to terrorist attacks. FUCK YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. PRIVACY BREEDS TERRORISM. 10k die a year to gun violence. DON'T YOU DARE IMPINGE ON MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
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That's not fair since 9/11 was on a scale far larger than a typical shooting. But the underlying point is solid.
 
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