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Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours

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ntropy said:
Gotta make up the hours

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People like to talk about Obama but Bush couldn't be bothered to care about his job or country. This is proof right here. He hardly even aged in the near decade he squatted in the whitehouse due to a stress free lifestyle.

Now watch this drive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCm9788Tb5g
 
xtrasauce said:
That's the kind of thinking that gave us 8 years of W Bush.
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It really sucks to hear this from people over 18. I probably would have said something like "I'd give my left nut to vote for Kerry" had anyone asked me when I was 17, but I didn't get to vote until 2008 (thanks Obama). Now my 21 year old brother blankly states it doesn't matter if Hillary loses to a Republican (they're all batshit crazy this go around).

Late millenials suck.
 
I probably can't weigh in too much on this since I don't actually work full time but instead work two part time jobs which generally amount to around 38-42 hours a week, though it doesn't amount to much since I get paid just a little above minimum wage at each.

I do take whatever extra hours I can get so I can maybe make just a little more, but am always looking for other work.

I'd honestly love to have a full-time job so I could actually make some kind of living and save up for the future. I think I actually do feel like I fall into that whole concept of a moocher since I'm still living at home even though I realize that's hardly uncommon in this day and age.

But my parents both worked jobs when I was younger that had them doing a lot of overtime all the time and they were either exhausted or stressed out much of the time when not at work so I don't think working longer hours is the solution at all.
 
bounchfx said:
I'm really surprised by how many are complaining that 40 is too much. Like.. I agree, ideally we would work less, maybe 6 hours a day, or 8 hour days for 4 days, and have 3 off, etc.

but god daaaaaaamn, I would fucking love to only work 40 hours! I think on average I've worked between 60-80. 40 sounds great.

but what he is saying is ridiculous and he has a total disconnect from what people are living. There are many people that work longer and probably far harder than I do that can barely get by.

Also, what happened to machines doing most of the work and letting humans relax/live life? we work longer and harder than ever, and the answer is most certainly not a blanket statement like 'work more'. how about we stop exploiting citizens of the country in favor of corporations that already make money hand over fist. bleh
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The problem is with an 8-10 hour workday, there really isn't much time to do anything except get ready for work and prepare for dinner and bed. A ~6 hour workday would allow you at least a few hours each day to just relax, even when you add in commute times, gym, cooking meals, cleaning up, etc.

And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if productivity stayed the same or even increased with a 6 hour workday. People might be happier even if the work week was 6 days under this
 
Voror said:
I probably can't weigh in too much on this since I don't actually work full time but instead work two part time jobs which generally amount to around 38-42 hours a week, though it doesn't amount to much since I get paid just a little above minimum wage at each.

I do take whatever extra hours I can get so I can maybe make just a little more, but am always looking for other work.

I'd honestly love to have a full-time job so I could actually make some kind of living and save up for the future. I think I actually do feel like I fall into that whole concept of a moocher since I'm still living at home even though I realize that's hardly uncommon in this day and age.

But my parents both worked jobs when I was younger that had them doing a lot of overtime all the time and they were either exhausted or stressed out much of the time when not at work so I don't think working longer hours is the solution at all.
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Seriously man/woman, get out there and take it. You have no idea how many incompetent people are straight up faking it for $100k a year. Maybe I'm jaded given my industry (healthcare IT and prior to that fly by night programming and running data centers) but you can totally learn a vocation and capitalize. The people who don't realize this are largely the ones struggling. Make that scrilla. Over sell yourself. Leap from job to job until you find the right fit. But please don't keep being a wage slave.
 
mgs2master2 said:
I already work 40-60 hour work weeks, sometimes 80 when short staffed. So I propose Jeb go fuck himself.
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The only way 80 hours a week isn't the worst hell and a horrible life is if you truly love what you do and have zero friends and family outside of that job. At that point you have to be your job and your job has to be your identity.

Jeb must be on the same strength of crack cocaine that his brother smoked back in the day...maybe even currently.
 
Nothing to see here, he was talking about people who were forced to take part time work , or given less hours so the business didn't have to provide healthcare.

Basically just wanting to get people "full time" hours.
 
Apt101 said:
Seriously man/woman, get out there and take it. You have no idea how many incompetent people are straight up faking it for $100k a year. Maybe I'm jaded given my industry (healthcare IT and prior to that fly by night programming and running data centers) but you can totally learn a vocation and capitalize. The people who don't realize this are largely the ones struggling. Make that scrilla. Over sell yourself. Leap from job to job until you find the right fit. But please don't keep being a wage slave.
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I'm trying. I sent out twelve applications today alone, though that probably isn't good enough. If there's some surefire thing I can learn then that'd be great, but I don't know what it would be. And overselling yourself seems a terrible idea to me that feels tantamount to lying to get a job, which is going to be a problem when they find you can't live up to that image. I'm trying to get out but I rarely even get rejection emails let alone interviews and I can't just up and quit my current jobs and just not have any income. I need to contribute to the household bills and make some attempt to pay off my college loans.
 
It's really too bad that he's already trying to backpedal on this.
Let the crazy flow through you, Jeb.
 
GaimeGuy said:
The problem is with an 8-10 hour workday, there really isn't much time to do anything except get ready for work and prepare for dinner and bed. A ~6 hour workday would allow you at least a few hours each day to just relax, even when you add in commute times, gym, cooking meals, cleaning up, etc.

And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if productivity stayed the same or even increased with a 6 hour workday. People might be happier even if the work week was 6 days under this
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honestly, I agree, I think productivity would probably remain somewhat consistent. It would vary between jobs/types of jobs but overall I can see that being the case.

an 8 hour workday though a bit much for some, I think really depends on how much you try to get sleep. If you shoot for 8 hours of sleep, that leaves 16 hours left being awake. If 8 of those are at work, you still have 8 for home. Problem is when stuff like commute/gym/kids/shopping/chores eats into it, let alone work is probably right in the middle of people's days. :\
 
speculawyer said:
I don't like either of them. Now George HW was OK. But his sons . . . meh. I think Jeb might be a little better than W . . . but then I remember the Schiavo fiasco. (A tag-team effort by the Bush boys.)
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I agree but not willing to take that chance. Especially after pulling a Kutaragi on us like this.

People running this country have no idea what they are doing and everyone else in it pays for their incompetence.
 
spazchicken said:
The only way 80 hours a week isn't the worst hell and a horrible life is if you truly love what you do and have zero friends and family outside of that job. At that point you have to be your job and your job has to be your identity.

Jeb must be on the same strength of crack cocaine that his brother smoked back in the day...maybe even currently.
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I do love what i do. Would i do 80 hours a week every single week though? Fuck no. Hell I rather just stay at 40. The 80 hours a week occurs for me whenever we are short staffed (other staff on vacation, quit, fired) and there is absolutely NO one available on my team to cover the hours. I have to pick up that slack or else it sets us back with our providers and the client's insurance service.

I somehow still have managed a social life, and have good friends. Like i said 80 hours is a thing that sometimes happens in my field of work, and it gets unbearable. That thing happens once in a while. I would not like to make this a daily basis thing.

as for Jeb, if this is what he wants from the common working man, he must be on some crack stronger than his brother ever was. that life style is no lifestyle at all.
 
adam387 said:
Actually, calling poor people lazy and lacking in work ethic is exactly the thing that Republicans believe. In their case, it's a feature not a bug.
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I got in a fb debate with someone the other day who was saying it's unfair to tax rich people just to "help someone working some minimum wage job." This person is employed as a restaurant server. It is astonishing how Americans think anything above minimum wage makes them "middle class".
 
Voror said:
I'm trying. I sent out twelve applications today alone, though that probably isn't good enough. If there's some surefire thing I can learn then that'd be great, but I don't know what it would be. And overselling yourself seems a terrible idea to me that feels tantamount to lying to get a job, which is going to be a problem when they find you can't live up to that image. I'm trying to get out but I rarely even get rejection emails let alone interviews and I can't just up and quit my current jobs and just not have any income. I need to contribute to the household bills and make some attempt to pay off my college loans.
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Believe in yourself. Can you grow into a position? I bet you can. Big deal if you fake it to make it. Get in there and grow. This is your future, get all the money you can while you can get it. Because I can assure you every candidate for the jobs you're gunning for are overselling the hell out of themselves. Welcome to the market - it's a meat grinder.

The thing one has to remember is that they have to put in the work and truly grow. I've seen many people land "their dream job", get comfortable, and then lose it a few years later to some girl or guy who is a tiny bit smarter and willing to work harder.

It's cut throat. Be harder and willing to sacrifice anyone. It's the difference between squeaking by at $45k a year and living comfortably at $100k+.
 
"a destruction of family values and absentee fathers is destroying america and its youth"

"people should all work more hours to 'raise productivity'"

?????????
 
It's funny because works will be less and less so the only way is restructuring welfare, divide jobs across more people
and encourage house sharing?
. I'd say people accepting longer hours because are part of the problem.
 
"Work harder, poor people" has never been an adequate solution to the struggling class.

But lo and behold, we continue to advocate bootstraps rather than smart economic planning.
 
Republicans def lost this election. Was a given 4 years ago, even more so now. Last Bush admin is still seen as one of the worst in American history, and yet the party is actually entertaining him running so soon after? I mean insane.

Jarmel said:
So Bush took at least an entire year off during his tenure?
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They claim Bush would still work when staying at his ranch. So most of his vacation time was at his own ranch vs being in other areas. So he argues it was working from home.

Either way, it's an insane amount of time. And totally laughable the media goes after Obama when past admins have been worse. It doesn't make modern president's free from criticism, but the criticism has to be consistent. So it's laughable to see party lines use this as criticism, when their own party has been worse.
 
Yeah, fuck him. Blaming the avg. American for not working hard enough and causing the last recession while ignoring the reality of who is actually at fault.
 
If anything people should work less and less. We need to improve upon quality of life in this country, which many people do not have.
 
Jarmel said:
So Bush took at least an entire year off during his tenure?
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yup..

To put it in perspective. That equates to roughly a little over 2 1/2 months every year.

Imagine if a regular salary employee would take that kind of vacation in the private sector. I get 12 days a year of vacation right now thats it.
 
mgs2master2 said:
I do love what i do. Would i do 80 hours a week every single week though? Fuck no. Hell I rather just stay at 40. The 80 hours a week occurs for me whenever we are short staffed (other staff on vacation, quit, fired) and there is absolutely NO one available on my team to cover the hours. I have to pick up that slack or else it sets us back with our providers and the client's insurance service.

I somehow still have managed a social life, and have good friends. Like i said 80 hours is a thing that sometimes happens in my field of work, and it gets unbearable. That thing happens once in a while. I would not like to make this a daily basis thing.

as for Jeb, if this is what he wants from the common working man, he must be on some crack stronger than his brother ever was. that life style is no lifestyle at all.
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I wasn't talking about you personally. I picked up on the fact that you sounded like you do it when you have no other choice. I know it sucks. I'm sure you feel the same when I say that I'm not comfortable spending the majority of my one life here on Earth toiling away making someone else rich.

Thanks, but no thanks Jeb.
 
Those that were born rich, or had so many opportunities others don't -- always seem quick to tell others that they need to just work harder or longer.

The complete lack of empathy is disgusting.
 
Yeah, I already get 47 hour weeks normally and 60 hour weeks every other week. Pretty much only live, dream, and think about work as is.
 
Jarmel said:
So Bush took at least an entire year off during his tenure?
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Also keep in mind that W was on vacation in his Crawford ranch when George Tenet (CIA chief) knew about the early stages of 9/11 planning, but was not able to brief W.
The revelation came this morning, when CIA Director George Tenet was on the stand. Timothy Roemer, a former Democratic congressman, asked him when he first found out about the report from the FBI's Minnesota field office that Zacarias Moussaoui, an Islamic jihadist, had been taking lessons on how to fly a 747. Tenet replied that he was briefed about the case on Aug. 23 or 24, 2001.

Roemer then asked Tenet if he mentioned Moussaoui to President Bush at one of their frequent morning briefings. Tenet replied, "I was not in briefings at this time." Bush, he noted, "was on vacation." He added that he didn't see the president at all in August 2001. During the entire month, Bush was at his ranch in Texas. "You never talked with him?" Roemer asked. "No," Tenet replied. By the way, for much of August, Tenet too was, as he put it, "on leave."
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And there is more
Throughout that summer, we now well know, Tenet, Richard Clarke, and several other officials were running around with their "hair on fire," warning that al-Qaida was about to unleash a monumental attack. On Aug. 6, Bush was given the now-famous President's Daily Brief (by one of Tenet's underlings), warning that this attack might take place "inside the United States." For the previous few years—as Philip Zelikow, the commission's staff director, revealed this morning—the CIA had issued several warnings that terrorists might fly commercial airplanes into buildings or cities.

And now, we learn today, at this peak moment, Tenet hears about Moussaoui. Someone might have added 2 + 2 + 2 and possibly busted up the conspiracy. But the president was down on the ranch, taking it easy. Tenet wasn't with him. Tenet never talked with him. Rice—as she has testified—wasn't with Bush, either. He was on his own and, willfully, out of touch.

A USA Today story, written right before Bush took off, reported that the vacation—scheduled to last from Aug. 3 to Sept. 3—would tie one of Richard Nixon's as the longest that any president had ever taken. A week before he left, Bush made a videotaped message for the Boy Scouts of America. On the tape, he said, "I'll be going to my ranch in Crawford, where I'll work and take a little time off. I think it is so important for the president to spend some time away from Washington, in the heartland of America."
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