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Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours

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The fact that this guy and others like him have supporters out there is the kind of thing that fills me with despair and hopelessness for the human race. Gotta remind myself that the loudest of the stupid people do not represent the majority of the world.
 
AndyD said:
Nah. If there was a legitimate defense of his positions, then the discussion would take place just fine. I have yet to see anything that would resemble a legitimate defense though, because it simply does not add up.

Increasing productivity of current workers means less need to hire, so it's the opposite of encouraging more jobs and improving participation rate. And a small boost in income for those working is unlikely to improve demand to a level that would require significantly more production and more hiring.
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It's trickle down economics. It's the same bullshit they've been spewing for years that's why it doesn't add up.
 
I already work 10 hour shifts with an hour commute each way.
So he can go fuck himself. Turn sideways and fuck himself again.

I'd switch positions with him and he'll be asking to reduce work time in a week.
 
ntropy said:
Gotta make up the hours

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It's absurd watching the Daily Show month of Zen stream. Bush vacations are a regular topic of discussion in the older episodes. Also Republican presidents appear to be lazy bastards, how is that for ironic?
 
Tom_Cody said:
I don't think it's that hard to undestand what he meant. From the same article:

"According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are currently 6.5 million individuals working in part-time jobs who would prefer full-time employment, while 19 million Americans work in part-time jobs for non-economic reasons."

"Partial employment" is a major problem in our economy. Granted, he didn't convincingly address how he is going to solve the problem, but I think it is pretty clear that he was trying to knowledge that this problem exists and not victim blame.
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If that's what he meant, he could have easily said "People need to be able to have meaningful employment" or "People need to have the opportunity to work" or "We need to create more jobs so that people can find full time jobs" or "Employers need to feel confident in hiring more full time employees, and that's something we need to work towards". There are numerous ways in which he could have conveyed this if that's what he meant.

That's not what he said. That's not what he meant.

He's not evil, he's just out of touch. Born with a silver spoon; no idea what life is like for the average American.
 
Jeb tweeted a clarification.

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CharlieDigital said:
If that's what he meant, he could have easily said "People need to be able to have meaningful employment" or "People need to have the opportunity to work" or "We need to create more jobs so that people can find full time jobs" or "Employers need to feel confident in hiring more full time employees, and that's something we need to work towards". There are numerous ways in which he could have conveyed this if that's what he meant.

That's not what he said. That's not what he meant.

He's not evil, he's just out of touch. Born with a silver spoon; no idea what life is like for the average American.
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Or it could be that you're rushing to take what he said out of context.
teruterubozu said:
So? What's the difference? He's still politicking.

Even if he was misrepresented (which I highly doubt) he's got to play the game right. It's a soundbyte culture today. oh boo-hoo, I got taken out of context. Get used to it, it's only the beginning.
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Tom_Cody said:
Jeb tweeted a clarification.

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Or it could be that you're rushing to take what he said out of context.Etc.
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Jeb is an idiot. People who work part time work more hours than full time employees because they have multiple jobs and work weekends too. These people want full time jobs to work less hours and get better pay
 
Sorry, but nothing was taken out of context. What he said was pretty damn clear and is a regular talking point of the republican party. His ideas aren't anything new and in fact he's already been beaten to the punch by Scott Walker whose administration uses the exact same language as a means to rally the rich and middle class against the poor.
 
I get his point but he said it poorly. He also said it in a stereotypical republican way that puts the onus on working people to "work more hours" instead of on businesses to hire more full-time positions. Even considering that he "misspoke" I still don't like the tone and perspective which is consistent across the Republican party. They blame poor people for being poor and Jeb is no different.
 
watershed said:
I get his point but he said it poorly. He also said it in a stereotypical republican way that puts the onus on working people to "work more hours" instead of on businesses to hire more full-time positions. Even considering that he "misspoke" I still don't like the tone and perspective which is consistent across the Republican party. They blame poor people for being poor and Jeb is no different.
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As a general rule, people who are conservative are very big on personal responsibility across the board. If you don't get educated, don't blame your upbringing, blame yourself for not working hard in school. If you don't have a good job, don't blame the system, blame yourself for not going out and working hard to find a better job. If you're poor, don't complain about widespread bias or racism or other prejudice, figure out how to fix it yourself. If you are fat, don't blame modern society, blame yourself for eating like a slob, and so forth.

I am not saying I agree with this position, I'm only pointing out that conservative people are often pretty consistent about it; they believe very much that you are in charge of your own life, and as a consequence, your failures are yours first and foremost.
 
Opiate said:
As a general rule, people who are conservative are very big on personal responsibility across the board. If you don't get educated, don't blame your upbringing, blame yourself for not working hard in school. If you don't have a good job, don't blame the system, blame yourself for not going out and working hard to find a better job. If you're poor, don't complain about widespread bias or racism or other prejudice, figure out how to fix it yourself. If you are fat, don't blame modern society, blame yourself for eating like a slob, and so forth.

I am not saying I agree with this position, I'm only pointing out that conservative people are often pretty consistent about it; they believe very much that you are in charge of your own life, and as a consequence, your failures are yours first and foremost.
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And distressingly, they often live in a world where that kind of thinking and that kind of effort works. So, they can barely even imagine a world where personal strength isn't enough to get you fit, healthy, rich, and happy.
 
Toting personal responsibility is perfectly fine, but it's sad that the Republicans (and typically more often conservatives) take it to a whole nother level.

It's that whole "Fuck you I got mine/I did it you can do it stop being lazy" mentality.
 
Yes, I think it's generally true that it's far more pleasing to imagine that you're in control of your life when things are going your way. Given that the Republican party is disproportionately white and disproportionately male, it is reasonable to say that things have disproportionately gone their way.

Of course, the converse is also true; it's easier to imagine that the world is outside your control when things are going poorly, and that it's not your fault that you are failing.
 
Opiate said:
Yes, I think it's generally true that it's far more pleasing to imagine that you're in control of your life when things are going your way. Given that the Republican party is disproportionately white and disproportionately male, it is reasonable to say that things have disproportionately gone their way.

Of course, the converse is also true; it's easier to imagine that the world is outside your control when things are going poorly, and that it's not your fault that you are failing.
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Personal accountability is a real thing. There are plenty of people who blame the system when it's their own failings that caused them to languish and rot away in life.

However what angers me about this byline is that it discounts even the POSSIBILITY of systemic barriers in place for certain groups to advance. Which is why this country has such a big racism problem. How can something be a problem that needs fixing if we don't even acknowledge it exists?

Jeb in general I think is out of touch, but there should be a clear, demarcated difference between saying personal accountability is important, and say that it's the ONLY thing causing failure.

I realize that you're not saying anything resembling the party line and merely bringing
to attention that this is the view of most GoP candidates but it's something I felt needed to be said.
 
Yeah, how bout get fucked ya Silver Spoon bitch. I work my ass for very little money as is. My life was not meant to just work, that's not living man.
 
Tom_Cody said:
Jeb tweeted a clarification.

Or it could be that you're rushing to take what he said out of context.Etc.
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No one's rushing.

I've read it ten times over and I don't see how you can read it as anything but.

Jeb also had to tweet a "clarification" on his thoughts on the Iraq war knowing what we know today.

Seems like a pattern with him.
 
Tom_Cody said:
Jeb tweeted a clarification.

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That's not a clarification, it confuses the issue even more. Part-time workers already put in more hours in more jobs than full-time workers because that's how they have to make ends meet. So how is "work more hours" a solution for upgrading part-time employees to full-time employees?

(It isn't. "Work more hours" means exactly what it looks like on paper, as it has as part of the Republican platform for decades.)
 
Tom_Cody said:
Jeb tweeted a clarification.

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Or it could be that you're rushing to take what he said out of context.Etc.
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Spoken like a true idiot. Part time workers don't say "Gee willikers, I wish I can work few more hours at taco bell!" Instead they wish they could work less for more pay, hence the push for minimum wage increase.
 
Was Clinton a golfer? I recall he used to jog one block to the mcdonalds on 17th street a couple of times a week.
 
Opiate said:
As a general rule, people who are conservative are very big on personal responsibility across the board. If you don't get educated, don't blame your upbringing, blame yourself for not working hard in school. If you don't have a good job, don't blame the system, blame yourself for not going out and working hard to find a better job. If you're poor, don't complain about widespread bias or racism or other prejudice, figure out how to fix it yourself. If you are fat, don't blame modern society, blame yourself for eating like a slob, and so forth.

I am not saying I agree with this position, I'm only pointing out that conservative people are often pretty consistent about it; they believe very much that you are in charge of your own life, and as a consequence, your failures are yours first and foremost.
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Isn't that kinda contradictory considering that the vast majority of them also believe in an omnipotent, omniscient God that controls everything?
 
A_Gorilla said:
Isn't that kinda contradictory considering that the vast majority of them also believe in an omnipotent, omniscient God that controls everything?
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It's also an incoherent message they project because they reject anything that doesn't confirm their belief system. Baby Boomers are the worst. They got everything handed to them by a society that was truly great and progressive. Now they refuse to acknowledge that fact, and strive to strip all others of any benefits because of bizarre shit said on Fox News and talk radio. They're just not realistic.
 
I haven't considered Jeb "smart Bush" since 2005 with the whole Terri Schiavo mess and the nut jobs it brought to the forefront that I'm willing to wager make up a good number of tea party members.
 
DeadlyVirus said:
I already work 10 hour shifts with an hour commute each way.
So he can go fuck himself. Turn sideways and fuck himself again.

I'd switch positions with him and he'll be asking to reduce work time in a week.
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I recently had a job like this but it was 12 hour shifts, $10 an hour, doing the amount of work 4 people used to do, with no benefits, not paid for lunch break either. So I was working 14 hour days, doing the job of 4 people for the pay of 1, with no benefits, getting paid for 11.5 hours of work.

I quit within a month. I just won't stand for that shit. This was a year ago and the company is still looking for people to fill the positions. Fucking greedy idiots, hope the entire company goes under.
 
Is this the ole trickle down economics talk sort of speak? Where the vast majority of us need to work more so that the top can enjoy their 'time' as they wish?

Shit is nonsense.
 
People like Jed?

Anyway not my country so whatever. But man have there been some verbal gaffes already as an outside observer.
 
The amount of hours we work (high as they are) aren't enough so our spouses have to work as well.

2x the goddamn hours + overtime because bosses love unpaid overtime because salary.
 
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