Exactly, and since she has less pull than let's say, the rock, she should get paid less.
I mean let's be honest, that's the only reason they get paid those insane salaries in the first place
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Jennifer Lawrence: Why do I make less than my male co-stars?
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I mean let's be honest, that's the only reason they get paid those insane salaries in the first place
Dice//
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Part of this sort of thing makes me sad.
I might be taking away from what you actually meant... but this sucks, women are often sidelined to supporting roles when honestly we see ourselves (or would like to) as the stars of our own lives in some ways and it's a small reality when media won't reflect that and even worse when you realize it in many ways reflects societal traditions/perspectives of women.
Meryl Streep spoke extremely well on this; certainly one way to help the disparity is to create better/more roles for females in general than supporting.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/2...ntertainment-i-wanted-be-tom-sawyer-not-becky
The Rock? What does he have to do with this? I don't understand. Do you think she's arguing she should be paid the same as every other male actor?
Her argument isn't about money, her argument just uses money as a symptom of an underlying issue.
Dice//
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You couldn't be bothered to read the letter, huh?
Sure - I completely agree with you. This has more to do with the type of roles that women are given.
It's like as if women were only allowed to be nurses and not doctors. Of course they won't get paid as much. The problem is they aren't allowed to be doctors, not that nurses don't get paid as much as doctors.
Orbis Tabula
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You go back there are sit on your computer, using your internet and relax. There are real people out there struggling to afford food.
And you never do anything about someone treating you unfairly, right? Not one complaint?
YesNOnoNOYes
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? so you never complain about any injustices ever cuz there's always someone worse off?
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edit: damn u kharvey16
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Yeah, she can go be a movie actress somewhere else!
Prototype Viktor
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Seeing as they get most the roles, yes technically
Gentleman Jack
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Discussing a problem with others is the first step in finding a better situation. You'd silence people at the very first step of them seeking an answer. Surely you see how stupid your advice is?
YesNOnoNOYes
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???? so you think it's only worthwhile to complain about gaming companies but when the injustices comes down to your career or something then it's ...... not worth wasting breath over?
it ... it cant possibly be that simple to you is it? 'find a better situation' or 'accept shitty condition'. is life that binary? cuz sometimes it's not that easy to 'find a better situation' for some people. like say, if you are born a woman, it's not that easy to 'find a better situation' with regards to income inequality.
Lawrence got paid more than people like Cruise in 2015 because she was in two major franchise movies, while Cruise was in one. She's not getting paid more per role.
And of course she should be making more than Jackie Chan, dude's barely been in movies much the past few years and it's likely most of his earnings are for endorsements.
And of course she should be making more than Jackie Chan, dude's barely been in movies much the past few years and it's likely most of his earnings are for endorsements.
YesNOnoNOYes
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well i dont think it's stupid :>
and i do think jennifer is contributing to the change she wishes to see in the world. so i think your first statement telling her to just go sit in her million dollar house and relax is actually running counter to ... uh your creed, so to speak. because just by speaking up, she's making it easier for other women to also speak up on the same issue. and that's a good change.
Spot on. So many of the posts in this thread reflect exactly the reaction that inspires women, so frequently, to settle for less than they're worth, just to avoid rocking the boat.
Doctor Doom
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Ok, you say nothing I'm saying makes sense. Let's take the last most sensible noncontroversial statement I made and expound it a bit
What exactly is nonsensical about it?
I'm not complaining about her being rich. Good for her. My complain is about using her paycheck to make a statement in a world where the welt is poorly distributed. She is smart, she can complain (as I wrote before) with other topics regarding her profession. And again, you make assumptions with out facts. Where do I sayed that this is not a topic worth arguing? And I'm not distracting anything I have the right of bringing my reality to the mix.
pants
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Has anyone in this thread figured out why Jackie Chan even made money in 2015?
Also I noticed this with Scarlett Johansson especially, she's always seemed to me to be a higher quality actress than many other making blockbusters but she always seemed to get peanuts in comparison. Would be interested to see what Charlize Theron makes.
Also I noticed this with Scarlett Johansson especially, she's always seemed to me to be a higher quality actress than many other making blockbusters but she always seemed to get peanuts in comparison. Would be interested to see what Charlize Theron makes.
That sounds like what the dictator of a communist country would say..
Yes? The list is not limited to Hollywood. Amitabh Bachchan is on it too and surely he didn't make that kind of money from American movies.
liliththepale
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Stop making it about the money. It's not about the money. Using her paycheck was just a simple illustration to expose an underlying problem. From the very beginning you've been trying to discredit her because she's discussing her salary, when that's really not what it's about.
pants
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He has one acting credit and two producer credits for 2015, none of the films look they made money either. Here I was hoping there was a slew of 2015 Jackie Chan movies I was yet to discover
He has one acting credit and two producer credits for 2015, none of the films look they made money either. Here I was hoping there was a slew of 2015 Jackie Chan movies I was yet to discover
The article talks about it. They suggest Dragon Blade, which was a hit in China and its' associated merchandise, as well as an endorsement with a theater chain he has.
You know something guy? You are absolutely 100% right. Your argumentation is flawless 0% biased. I better stop posting.
But I wonder if it is not about the money (for her) and is about the patriarchy and misogynistic world that doesn't give the same chances to women, why she is so focused on the money? Just a question.
She is an active leading actress with a superb résumé for her age with ton of colleagues struggling for a half decent role wishing they have a ¼ of her luck, talent and status. I hope that she with her celebrity status can and will help her colleagues and make a stand on the gender inequality issue.
I don't get people issue with how much Jackie Chan is earning. Putting aside his daredevil antics in his youth, an international star like Jackie Chan would cash in on the vibrant and fast growing entertainment scene in his homeland, China. This is a year where Chan would dethrone the previous holder of top earnings for an actor/actress , Fan Bingbing. And she's a woman.
liliththepale
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First of all, I'm not a guy. Thank you for flawlessly demonstrating your own patriarchal biases and flagrant misunderstanding.
Second of all, she isn't so focused on the money. It's about negotiation tactics, gender discrimination and social conditioning. Salary just happens to be one of the manifestations of those elements that's easy to quantify.
If you were earnestly interested in helping this issue, you wouldn't keep downplaying her message.
Doctor Doom
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The problem with dictactorships and communism is not that they're dictatorships or communism, it is corruption. That can easily be solved by simply having an incorruptible system and leadership.
Many have said that a benevolent monarchy is the best form of government. A large portion of the population is devoted to a supreme benevolent being they believe oversees their universe. The manifestation of true divine authority would indeed prove beneficial, and I believe many would embrace it.
I think it's fair that Cooper and Bale got paid more, seeing as they were the leads (and no less hot commodities than Jlaw), and also the lengths Bale went for the role. Renner got out weirdly lucky, but then Jlaw got overpaid on X-men, so that evens itself out a little. Some of the male actors someone mentioned like Chan and Diesel are also producers--that's how you make the real money. I don't think there are that many female actor-producers (if any at all). And that might tie into the negotiation skills, I think she's probably quite right there. I also experienced this myself, or at least with my wife. She got offered a job and didn't know what to ask for, maybe one scale higher (salary comes in scales here) than they had offered? So she asked a male coworker and he said naw, at least four scales higher. Which she asked and promptly got. That's a lot of money over the years. (I asked two scales higher during my salary negotiations and they said lol no, here's a worse deal than before. So it's not that men are categorically better at it fml.)
Jest Chillin
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The Bold... that's not how this works.. that's not how any of this works.
For the first bold, I wasn't saying that's how it works. For the second.. Why not?
The whole point is society has conditioned women to feel that negotiating for more or what they feel they're worth makes them look like brats or divas and that they shouldn't want to be seen as unlikeable.
Also, the calculator line is a joke. Pretty obvious.
Shuggananas
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She can't act for shit for one
She has no shame though, complaining about her salary
She has no shame though, complaining about her salary
Meh, Jennifer Lawrence should be happy with her 52 million. That's ridiculous considering the price/performance ratio. It's like paying heaps of money for a dyson vaccum cleaner when you can go down to your local pawn shop and get a $25 second hand vacuum that will do the same thing.
glassgannon
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yes its the gender for sure,
no way its got anything to do with your agent, your work, talent or crowd pull.
tom cruise also earns less than her because he's less of a man than she is.
no way its got anything to do with your agent, your work, talent or crowd pull.
tom cruise also earns less than her because he's less of a man than she is.
Jest Chillin
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The majority of actors who get Producer credits aren't Producers in the standard way. Sometimes it can be more of a title than anything else, sometimes it's negotiated in lieu of extra pay, and sometimes (like in the case of television) it's a title that you get due to working there for awhile. I haven't done the research into it but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the core cast of Fast and Furious getting some kind of producer credit at this point, as an example. But say if Vin is getting a Producer credit on F&F that's different than his Producer credit on Riddick.
Either way though.. plenty of Actresses get producer credit on projects and plenty of actresses actively and passively produce TV shows and movies.
I don't think she's genuinely complaining, and if she really got over 20 million for her role in DoFP there's also nothing wrong with her negotiation skills. I think she's just trying to be a role model here. Thousands of little girls follow her every move, and she's probably just trying to tell them it's good to negotiate and don't feel like you're not supposed to. Men don't, so neither should you. And I think that's a good message to send out.
I also agree she gets more praise than she deserves on the acting front.
But shes definitely a hot commodity in Hollywood and expects to get hers
Earthpainting
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It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. You can see a similar disparity in more regular jobs as well. Women tend to negotiate their salary less, and people just want to talk about it, and perhaps get to the bottom of why this is a thing. I assume the reasons may be similar to why assertiveness in women is often seen as "bossy" or "bitchy". It creates a dynamic where gals are dissuaded to try to get theirs.
I feel like some of the people complaining about millionaires are missing the point. I'm literally getting up in 4 hours to go beg the government to give me a little bit of grocery money since I've got about $32 to live on until my pay shows up, and yet I can totally empathize and understand the issue here. Don't see why this isn't so hard: it's "am I at a disadvantage because of who I am?" And... y'know, that's a topic worth discussing. Millions don't really enter into it.
I feel like the real question is why didn't you capitalize 'Renner."
All joking aside, I agree. Most things I've heard indicate that Hollywood doesn't really treat women as well, but women don't tend to negotiate for it either. Lawrence's own take on this and her resolution is pretty cool, though. She seems smart and level-headed.
I feel like the real question is why didn't you capitalize 'Renner."
All joking aside, I agree. Most things I've heard indicate that Hollywood doesn't really treat women as well, but women don't tend to negotiate for it either. Lawrence's own take on this and her resolution is pretty cool, though. She seems smart and level-headed.
She's the biggest star in one of the biggest franchises, her pay should eclipse her male simp costars from day 1, she shouldn't have to fight for it.
Classy post bro, really nailed the essence of the letter.
Classy post bro, really nailed the essence of the letter.
There are times when I feel like the feminist movement might be too militant. Then I see an out-of-hand dismissive post like this, and I think no, the feminist movement absolutely has every right to be militant because otherwise it's far too easy for people like you to wave them away and dismiss them.
Plus, y'know, if people want to talk about crowd pull....
Ghost Protocol ($694,713,380)
Catching Fire ($864,912,963)
You can use any pairing of Hunger Games vs Mission Impossible films you like.
Jennifer Lawrence demonstrably has more crowd pull than the majority of male stars. Certainly vastly more than someone like Renner. So in a hard-headed, purely commercial sense, J.Law should be able to negotiate a better cut than most male stars, and based on the Sony leaks, she hasn't. Commercially speaking, she is getting ripped off.
Shuggananas
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She makes more than most top hollywood actors/actresses and makes more with one movie than 95% of the world population will ever make in their lifetime, so excuse me if I find her complaints a bit crappy.
I dont get it if you are not ok with it dont do the job??
She accepted less and stop negotiating... i mean accepting a deal you are not ok with, selling yourself for less, stopping negotiating and taking the money but later complaining to the world how you got less when you actually yourself stopped negotiation and accepted it instead of saying NO makes me not really care about her problem at all.
No reason to accept something you are not ok with... well i guess the couple of millions she gets was still enough reason to not hold herself up to her own standard.
She accepted less and stop negotiating... i mean accepting a deal you are not ok with, selling yourself for less, stopping negotiating and taking the money but later complaining to the world how you got less when you actually yourself stopped negotiation and accepted it instead of saying NO makes me not really care about her problem at all.
No reason to accept something you are not ok with... well i guess the couple of millions she gets was still enough reason to not hold herself up to her own standard.
Whether she can act or not isn't really relevant as much as can she fill seats. I mean Vin Diesel and Adam Sandler are in the top earners after all. And she can. She was, for instance, heavily featured in the promotion for American Hustle despite a small amount of screen time not just by random chance, but because, gasp, the marketing team thought she was marketable.
She already implied she was happy with her pay, just disappointed at the gender disparity which was only revealed after the Sony hack.
He has one acting credit and two producer credits for 2015, none of the films look they made money either. Here I was hoping there was a slew of 2015 Jackie Chan movies I was yet to discover
$120 million is definitely not "none of the films look they made money".
You should not see the movie though. By all indications it's crap.
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