Uhh.. no.
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Jeremy Lin: Asian American, Harvard Grad... NBA great?
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Uhh.. no.
Vermillion
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Look, if you guys are going to consider this racism, we're going to have to actually make a subsection called "good racism." Your choice 
Certainly isn't harmful racism.
Certainly isn't harmful racism.
If you knew you would be drafted by an NBA team, why the fuck would you stay in college?
CommonSense
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So wait.....you counter racism by being....racist? Interesting.
I like this kid, hope he carves out a nice career in the league. Good on him.
Vermillion
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Does your name start with an "N", perchance?
Imagine Lin actually winning a nobel prize in Physics. Outside of the court, he has been doing a bit of Physics as a hobby.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I can't believe the hype over this unproven kid. People make fun of Tebow and then jump on this hype train full steam.
He can actually pass.
Think I'll patent this joke since I'm clearly the first person to make this joke just now.
Hey-oh. This is fantastic.
But do they consistently get jobs that earn that amount of money? More than doctors, pharmacists, nurses and physician assistants?
GuyIncognito
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when they graduate from harvard they do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0oaqWMLdwk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA-uNq-N9hY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNDTjqVLVEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jASZKxSMhcM
The dude is legit... he probably won't keep scoring 20+ a game but he's a great PG.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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And he's played in games other than those 4. Why doesn't anyone talk about those games? He's good but he's not the greatness people are elevating him to, he has a lot to get better about.
Because he's only ever played in garbage time? The only game before this one where he had significant minutes was against the Rockets where he had like 9 points and 6 assists in 20 minutes.
Sounds like he is intelligent because he is intelligent. Don't know if the "is it because he is Asian?" piece comes into it.
This is the thing. He's on a tear, and people are excited for him. Players can ride a streak all the time, but he also gets assists, about 4-5 rebounds, a few steals as well. No one is seriously saying he is going to be the MVP or that he's another Isiah Thomas or Chris Paul. I think he can be a solid starter or at least on a rotation. He is a legit PG, and as an Asian American, just that alone makes me excited.
He obviously has been good for awhile, being California player of the year from high school and a Wooden finalist in college. Yet people still doubt him. I'm sure any Asians who play pick up ball and get picked last the majority of the time got a taste of that feeling. And so it is sweet vindication that he's been schooling All Star PGs, and #1 draft picks.
And seriously, people are now hating on his 3.1 GPA and econ degree? Don't be like Floyd Mayweather with crazy off-base hatin'.
http://jeffincredible85.hubpages.com/hub/Floyd-Mayweather-Accused-Jeremy-Lin-of-Steroid-Use
If he flames out and is sent to the D-League by the end of the season, I'll happily eat crow, but I think he's a legit PG.
Compared to doctors? I don't think that's true. And im pretty sure a historian getting a degree from havard would have better job opportunities than normal.
There are no doctors graduating with a bachelor's degree anywhere in the US.
Dreams-Visions
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flavor of the month.
I wish him great success, though. NYC needs someone or something to talk about. Carmelo and Amari have been...boring, to be quite frank. Lin will be a genuinely interesting storyline until...well probably until the end of the season. Even if his production drops by half, the crowd will go nuts when he comes into games at MSG.
Plus, playing in that Dantoni system...he'll have plenty of looks. And he creates a lot of his own shots, which is a big deal and is rare. The question is how will he play with Carmelo. Or, how Carmelo will play with Knicks 2.0 that got significantly better in his absence.
Unfortunately, this thread started off wrong. With the very title, "great". It's one thing to be "the next big thing", or a "budding star"...but an "NBA great" is a very specific class of player. It's rare air reserved for the top 100 players the game has ever seen.
So asking if guy on a nice 4-5-game run in his rookie season may be destined to become an "NBA great" sets him and the thread up for biting off much more than can be reasonably asked or chewed.
He needs the rest of the season just to see if he can develop the consistency needed to even be a starter in the NBA. Much less a "star". and we'd need a decade of work to decide if he is on a short list to become a "great".
you were talking about undergraduate majors. the link about earnings was about undergraduate degree-holders.
No one was talking about a bachelor's degree buddy. Job prospects for an economist major.
This is, what, his third or fourth team?
I'm surprised his previous coaches didn't see enough talent in practice to keep him.
MilesWebber
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But how's his driving?
Dreams-Visions
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right to the hoop, dunking on fools.
What is an economist major?
Why are you comparing job prospects of a bachelor degree in economics with jobs that require multiple degrees?
The point was you can't compare a 4 year degree to a 4 year degree + 3+ years of post grad work. Obviously the second will have more earning potential.
You can major in something at any level. And the conversation was for job prospects? Even a phd level economist would still not have the same out look as a doctor. Nurses still have better security i might add. EDIT: And are paid well.
I think the idea of a "major" is usually relegated to bachelors and below. Because you are believed to be taking other interdisciplinary courses, and you're "majoring" in one specific field. I don't ever see people use the word "major" in masters or doctorate programs--specialty, perhaps, but not major.
I agree, if anyone is trumpeting this guy as an MVP they need to chill the eff out.
His left hand needs work, he needs to get his legs if he is to be a regular starter, because MDA plays his teams like NBA2k with the fatigue turned off (Amare's poor knees!). But at the same time its crazy that this streak is going on with Lin, Fields, Novak, Jeffries, Walker getting major minutes and their contracts are all less than $1 million.
I will slightly disagree in that he's a little more than a flavor of the month, at least with us Asians. Even if he flames out spectacularly, at least I will remember the 5 game or so stretch where an Asian American PG was the talk of the league. When I was in high school, I seriously never thought I'd see an Asian in the league. Now we see Yao's career and Lin budding into a legit PG. There's nothing wrong with being prideful of your race.
Google graduate majors. You can major in any thing, What do you think a specialty is? If i'm in a graduate chemistry course i can major in analytical chemisty and minor in pharmaceutics, if in psychology i can major in Public health and minor in education.
EDIT: Anyway, i might derail this topic so let get back to LIN mania. I've been skeptical about him lately in nba-gaf but the way he performed against LA put to rest some of my doubts. Pretty good story all in all. I wan't to see how he performs against teams like heat and chicago.
Dreams-Visions
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Genuine excitement from Asian fans, sure. Flavor of the month for everyone else.
And Yao and Lin are certainly not the only recent Asian players who've done well.
I've been following him since he was playing for Harvard but he's been overlooked for a while now. He lead his high school team to a state title and was named first-team all state but he couldn't get a normal Division I scholarship. Coaches have regretted not recruiting him after seeing what he did at Harvard.
I think what's happening to the last week is great for him but I never expected him to be doing this well. It'd be foolish to suddenly claim he's going to be an all star or MVP at this point in time but I'm enjoying the ride while I can.
Adam Blade
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Alas, Lin won't be the first Asian to have an NBA championship ring.
I hope Lin gets his eventually (hopefully not in NY though, come at me h3ro.)
I hope Lin gets his eventually (hopefully not in NY though, come at me h3ro.)
Daryl Morey (Rockets GM) has already admitted to screwing up his handling of Lin. Donnie Nelson (Mavs GM) was the guy who game him a shot in the first place. The Mavs really liked him, but they were kinda "stacked" at the pg, if you call JJ Barea and Jason Kidd at the time stacked. They didn't offer him the 2 years that Golden State did. Right now he's in a perfect environment though, D'Antoni's system is making him look like Nash out there. Remember Nash would sometime have the bad kind of trouble doubles also with 10 or more turnovers.
I don't think he was ever released because he sucks or something. He was a cheap expendable unproven point guard that his two previous teams released to sign or try to sign someone else.
On one hand, one should want to be cautiously optimistic just as a rational way of protecting oneself from overburgeoning expectations.
On the other hand... reading through some of the articles posted, I'm genuinely excited and really hope this one pulls through as legit.
Like... I haven't cared too much about b.ball for a long time, not since MJ retired... the first time.
It would be particularly awesome if he turned out to be as awesome as his initial entrance suggested. I.e. a possible GOAT! It would also make basket ball the most watched sport in the world again. All those asians man.
On the other hand... reading through some of the articles posted, I'm genuinely excited and really hope this one pulls through as legit.
Like... I haven't cared too much about b.ball for a long time, not since MJ retired... the first time.
It would be particularly awesome if he turned out to be as awesome as his initial entrance suggested. I.e. a possible GOAT! It would also make basket ball the most watched sport in the world again. All those asians man.
Dreams-Visions
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no reason to expect that he'll ever have a Championship ring in the first place, so why even bring it up?
The talent pool in college is no where near as good because there are so many colleges. Even the best colleges have at most 5 guys that could make an NBA team. By making an NBA team I mean a guy that could possibly be an end of the bench player. College also has zone defense with no illegal defense. Because of these things good coaching is very important. Duke in the mid 90's up until they got Elton Brand didn't have a lot of talent. I think Coach K was sick at one point, I can't remember. The point is that they still were a top team even though they had a really short pg in Woj leading them and lacked athletic players. Most teams are usually very team focused instead of player focused, unless they have a guy who is NBA ready and is a head of the curve. Kevin Durant and Michael Beasley for example were to guys that were obvious NBA players that were a head of the learning curve in college so they were isolation scores that could tear up the college zone.
In the NBA the talent pool is much better. Instead of 100's of teams like in college you have 30 teams. Players in the NBA are too good to be stopped by zone defense for a full game. Even the medicore players in the NBA can drive against zones cause problems. So players that fit certain roles become more important. Man to man defenders and tall players that know what they are doing become more important on defense because teams need to combat all the isolation players.
Adam Blade
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Because Asians have gotten NBA rings before? Is that concept difficult to visualize for you?
He said what... wow... that can't be real.
Wrong. Many fans I know, myself included, aren't Asian or Asian-American at all and they love the kid's story. Everyone loves an underdog. I'm sure fans of the Knicks and New Yorkers in general aren't going to see this kid as a flavor of the month and, as a New Yorker this kid has the entire city on fire, making Knicks basketball exciting to watch again for the first time in a long time, and bringing an excitement to the city that we haven't had in the sport in a while.
So at what point are you going to give the guy the benefit of a doubt? Would you eat a serving of crow over this haterade?
D'Antoni will never get a ring. He is a regular season coach, not a playoff coach.
freenudemacusers
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"As soon as they come off vacation, Theyre going to cook that little yellow chump. They aint worried about that. So they aint gotta worry about playing against a midget. Once they kick the midget ass, I dont want you all to jump on their dick. So you all better get on the bandwagon now. Once they stomp the midget, Theyll make that mother f make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice".
The fuck.
... assuming this means that Lin can't play in the playoffs because of that, why would that stop him from switching teams/coaches at a later stage in his career?
He's saying that the dude will never get a championship ring, which is to strongly imply that he's just another average or mediocre player (because even as a very good player, he'd stand a good chance of getting onto a championship team).
People said the same thing about Carlisle.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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What does this post have to do with what he said at all?
When we've seen more than 5 games? After 5 games you're already claiming he's destined for a championship?
Dreams-Visions
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LOL. there's avast chasm between "hater" and "I acknowledge him as an NBA star". It's not a one or the other proposition. can you understand that? Your commentary suggests I don't like the kid, when I've offered no comment to that end [1] [2]. No, I just apply to him the same expectations I apply to anyone who wants to start or that could be a "budding star" and am not interested in crowning him before we have a full body of work with which to assess where he is and where he can or can't go.
Like any player, he needs to show he can be consistent in order to be a starter: a hand full of games does not prove that. We need to see how he responds to adversity: He hasn't had to deal with that yet. We need to see how long his conditioning can carry him: A career of bench-warming to this point doesn't really prepare someone for the rigors of playing a lot of minutes as a starter. He has plenty to prove. Whether either of us hopes he does or not has no impact or bearing on his future success or failure. He'll have to go out there night in and night out and prove that he deserves the title "starter". Then he'll have to prove with all of those minutes that he's a "budding star".
Take baby steps. and NBA season is a marathon, not a sprint. They won't be handing out trophies at the end of February, though he may win a nice Player of the Week award.
no, it's just an irrelevant point to make and completely out of the blue, so the point itself is questioned. what was the relevance to any discussion currently going on in this thread? Oh, none? Right.
lol. he's the flavor of the month. there's nothing else you can call this level of excitement for a player who's only had a couple of good games. there are no shortage of underdog stories in the NBA and sports in general.
Maybe he'll be the flavor of the next few months for NYC.
and lol at the hyperbole.
LaserBuddha
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Someone buy this man a tongue scraper.
Except Carlisle was always known for toughness and discipline.
That Pacers team was a heartbreak of a play away from controlling that series against Detroit.
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