I've realized that on this forum, for some people anyway, that something doesn't need to be true for them to try to mock it or claim it. lolThis is straight up false.
Of course they should, why would you ever assume that money men care about anything but sales? I guess if all you play is COD, FIFA and assassins creed I understand your position.So basically XBOX owners should be excited about a game that Sony passed on and then Google passed on for Stadia, which is desperate for an exclusive content?
What a weird thing to say. If his pitch was shit then why would they say yes?Imagine saying no to Kojima. And then thinking you are still fit to be head of playstation.
mayyybe potential profit isn't the only indicator of a games worth?Devils advocate, If Sony rejected it and google rejected it, mayyybe it’s just not a good idea for a project?
Imagine saying no to Kojima. And then thinking you are still fit to be head of playstation.
Not the only indicator, but the biggest one for sure.mayyybe potential profit isn't the only indicator of a games worth?
Xbox fans like to cosplay as Sony fans to bash Sony, you can see that with Jon Neu in the LoU2 threads cosplaying as a Naught Dog fan, or longdi and Men_in_Boxes cosplaying as concerned Sony fans.
The most important question:
Did Death Standing make a profit for Sony?
Jesus Christ, this is why the industry is creatively bankrupt, even the consumers think like corporate suits.Not the only indicator, but the biggest one for sure.
So what you want is companies to spend money making games that don’t sell well? You want more examples like Sega? Profitability leads to more games. It’s not rocket science.Jesus Christ, this is why the industry is creatively bankrupt, even the consumers think like corporate suits.
Imagine saying no to Kojima. And then thinking you are still fit to be head of playstation.
The most important question:
Did Death Standing make a profit for Sony?
The most profitable games are COD, FIFA, Remakes and Sequels, If all you seek is profit this is all you will receive. It doesn't matter if you receive more games when they are all creatively bankrupt. The real legacy of any developer or publisher isn't how high the stock ticker went or where they placed on a sales chart, its how good were the games they made. This complete upside down flipping of values is not something I would have expected so many consumers to adopt.So what you want is companies to spend money making games that don’t sell well? You want more examples like Sega? Profitability leads to more games. It’s not rocket science.
Sony shareholders after a bad decline: We made a big mistake....again.Sony shareholders: Sack him!
I hate to point this out, but its not Ryan's job to greenlight projects. He's way above that in the corporate hierarchy, and appoints people to make these decisions on his behalf because he's got other things to do, like running the entire division!
So anyone asserting this, really needs some concrete evidence of why the literal head of Playstation would want to involve himself.
Imagine saying no to Kojima. And then thinking you are still fit to be head of playstation.
I know Sony didn't make it but it's a timed exclusive but aren't Sony fanboys creaming over FF7 remake episode 1 of whatever? And the FF7 Remake DLC?Probably because its (rumored to be) episodic? Did Sony ever make an episodic game?
That's my experience as well..I've not heard a single person I'm friends with on psn freak out about anything. Literally nobody owns an Xbox or even talks about it. It might as well not exist.
I'm ranked in the top 10 in my country for warzone wins so naturally I've added a shit ton of people and play with a lot of different people on warzone. On the very rare occasion we have to enable cross play because somebody's friend is on Xbox we're always like how can you play warzone on Xbox because they're forced to use cross play which means games ruined by pc hackers. And they're like yeah I'm going to get a Ps5 why they become easier to get. Xbox is dead in Europe.
Isn't it the board of directors who approve contracts unless delegated to some officer?
It doesn't matter, its about gaining hardcore gamers onto GP. Kojima is one of the best known game developers and he has a devote fan base. Phil knows this and I would be very surprised if this isn't a done deal already.Devils advocate, If Sony rejected it and google rejected it, mayyybe it’s just not a good idea for a project?
All of his MGS games were big sellers (and most importantly: system sellers) and The Phantom Pain should be sitting at 10M+ by now.
The reason why Death Stranding sales kind of tanked was because those last two months of marketing prior to launch, with those dreadful TGS gameplay demos, killed the hype for pretty much anyone who wasn't a hardcore Hideo Kojima fan. The terribly cut launch trailer and those CG TV spots didn't help at all when the time came to market the game to mainstream audiences.
Not if you're a platform holder. If you're a platform holder what you want are games that build hype for your platform and that convince people sitting on the fence to buy into your ecosystem instead of the other guy's. You'll more than make up the couple million you lose on Kojima's next boondoggle if your untouchable mindshare means you're the console of choice for every mouthbreathing idiot who drops $1000 a month on GTA shark cards.Not the only indicator, but the biggest one for sure.
It's gonna bite him on the ass big time, Kojima's new game day 1 on GP, will drive subs like bees to honey. Jim Ryan has got 1 or 2 years before he's gone, and it won't be his doing either.Imagine saying no to Kojima. And then thinking you are still fit to be head of playstation.
It doesn't matter, its about gaining hardcore gamers onto GP. Kojima is one of the best known game developers and he has a devote fan base. Phil knows this and I would be very surprised if this isn't a done deal already.
Nvm
That does make me wonder. Then again, just the very idea that it’s strongly rumored that Kojima went over to XBOX with an exclusive which could eventually turn into something bigger for Microsoft. Hey you guys rejected my game. Death Stranding 2, ZOE 3 and Policenauts 2 exclusive to 3 XBOX.So basically XBOX owners should be excited about a game that Sony passed on and then Google passed on for Stadia, which is desperate for an exclusive content?
Konami holds the rights to Zone of the Enders and Policenauts though.That does make me wonder. Then again, just the very idea that it’s strongly rumored that Kojima went over to XBOX with an exclusive which could eventually turn into something bigger for Microsoft. Hey you guys rejected my game. Death Stranding 2, ZOE 3 and Policenauts 2 exclusive to 3 XBOX.
unfortunately thats how these cunts run companies. ''what we made $1b? lets make $10b, release 30 the last of us''Sony shareholders after a bad decline: We made a big mistake....again.
Yep. I remember some reviewers and people saying, it’s only a boring walking simulator.......oh.....wait, I think I picked up a stun gun or something a little later, but all you do is walk in it. Ironically, I think Death Stranding ended up having more weapons and vehicles than most other games on the market.It's crazy because you can tell who didn't play DS because most of them didn't even know you could get guns...let alone the numerous upgrades that make traversal of terrain and delivery significantly quicker and easier.
Yeah, I was just using those for examples for some reason. Again, I still think letting Kojima walk can lead into yet another mistake for Sony.Konami holds the rights to Zone of the Enders and Policenauts though.
This entire thread is based on a rumor from a RetardEra Xbox podcaster? So funny how everyone is taking this as true. Does him doing an impression of the CEO make it more believable?Shpeshel_Ed reveals that he knew that PlayStation had passed on Kojimas next project (14 minute mark - With Jim Ryan impersonation)
Elsewhere in the interview he mentions a "big project" that recently fell through, which is separate from the next Kojima productions project that he mentions they are preparing for after DS. We know that the Stadia project was a big project, being not just a single game but an episodic release. It is entirely likely that Sony was offered a chance at the episodic one and turned it down. At any rate we know Kojima is working on multiple projects. So even if this rumor is correct, the next Kojima game could still come out on PlayStation."We surpassed the amount we needed to make a profit, so I think it sold well enough to be called a 'success,' recoupment of development costs included," said Kojima in an interview with LiveDoor News, translated by Gematsu. "We'll release the PC version soon and have already secured enough profit to prepare for what’s next, so there’s no need to worry."
Hideo Kojima says Death Stranding was profitable, laments recent 'big project' that fell through
Stand and Deliver Hideo Kojima has spoken about the financial return on his most recent release, Death Stranding. The strange...www.destructoid.com
Yep. I remember some reviewers and people saying, it’s only a boring walking simulator.......oh.....wait, I think I picked up a stun gun or something a little later, but all you do is walk in it. Ironically, I think Death Stranding ended up having more weapons and vehicles than most other games on the market.
Funny you say that when this rumour is talking about kojima who is number one in the world for Hollywood names in games.Btw, I wonder if Sony learned that most gamers don't really care about Hollywood superstars being present in their games...
And there you have it, and so it makes sense.
Sony is not a charity.
If Kojima created a tactical shooter game it would have been better received
Yet Phil Spencer said yes.We aren't in 2000s anymore, there is only so far Kojima's weirdness can get him.
Sometimes people just want to kill stuff in their games, without some added meaning to it.
Also, Ryan is a businessman, and those tend not to waste money on experimental crap.
I would like to see some of you guys trying to run a company as big as Sony based on feelings
"The sales of our 5 year investment didnt cover costs? Oh, but that wasn't the point"
Beautiful thing to say during a conference with fans. But totally devoided of any reality.
The cost of AAA productions are as high as ever. Sony will play safe more and more.
Death Stranding didnt sell that well nor was amazingly reviewed. Same thing with Until Dawn, a game that I love dearly, but wont get a sequel, understandably so. OrTheOrder.
Phil Spencer says a lot of things.Yet Phil Spencer said yes.