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Jimquisition (August 11) - EA Access ... Denied

Burt said:
It's just a shit deal, period. $30 a year to buy into their ecosystem for the sake of a bunch of games that've finished selling through and whose sole purpose is to act as DLC platforms, including a year-old long-broken shooter, a couple of outdated sports games, and... Peggle.

10% off on EA digital purchases? By golly, that means that after purchasing 5 EA games at full price in a single year, I'm practically STEALING money from them! I might just do it all via DLC!

The shame of it is that EA actually has a spectacular catalog of games through its long history of development and acquisitions. But, bringing those games over and making the "Vault" be anything more than a sham seems beyond them.
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It's not a shit deal at all. What if you wanted to try Madden, FIFA, and Battlefield but didn't want to buy them full price? What if you go digital-only and the 10% is actually pretty good for you?

Just because it's a shit deal for you doesn't make it a shit deal for everyone. But, like I said, buy it for the now.
 
Good video Jim! This is pretty much the DLC Season pass but with Videogames. As in you'll probably spend more money on games that you didn't want instead of getting a good deal on a game or two you'd actually like.

Would be interesting to compare a year of EA subscription($60) to the content provided by $60 during a Steam Winter Sale.
 
Echoenigma said:
You mean 2008?
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They went in the shitter 10 years before that.

Echoenigma said:
I dont understand why people are giving EA the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this. What have they done to earn that level of trust? What changed?
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It's not reakky benefit of the doubt it's blind hope that they won't get fucked. A bit delusional if you ask me. I think some people have gone in too deep in the hobby and have bought the bleeding heart bullshit from developers and publishers. First world problems.
 
Einbroch said:
It's not a shit deal at all. What if you wanted to try Madden, FIFA, and Battlefield but didn't want to buy them full price? What if you go digital-only and the 10% is actually pretty good for you?

Just because it's a shit deal for you doesn't make it a shit deal for everyone. But, like I said, buy it for the now.
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inb4 *i want it now.gif*
 
While I generally like the Jimquisition this one didn't do anything for me. Mostly because its speculation and that its getting harder to get shook by anything that publishers/developers do.

If something turns out to be shit, don't subscribe and if it ends up making their other products shit don't buy them. Even if every major publisher goes to some sort of super evil subscribe and pay 60 dollars for a game model their will always be smaller publishers/developers putting out new content with out the bullshit and a ton of older games already available without it as well.
 
I feel like he's certainly got a point. Gaming via subscription is not something I'd like to see be the future of video games.

MMOs get a pass because it is one individual game and that has been their model for ages.
 
Echoenigma said:
Are you not bothered by the notion of exclusive content or whatever other tactics they'll use to turn people to the service?
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In theory, yes it does bother me. But I don't see how that's any different from the BS that publishers are already pulling with exclusive pre-order bonuses and platform exclusive content.

I honestly don't see it happening with these services because it would splinter the market for each game too much. Plus, by the time games are released on EA Access, it's probably going to be at least 6-8 months into the game's life cycle.
 
Einbroch said:
It's not a shit deal at all. What if you wanted to try Madden, FIFA, and Battlefield but didn't want to buy them full price? What if you go digital-only and the 10% is actually pretty good for you?

Just because it's a shit deal for you doesn't make it a shit deal for everyone. But, like I said, buy it for the now.
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Going digital-only is basically purposely pissing away money with the price differences between digital and retail, especially if you have the far superior service that is GCU. You are actively choosing to burn money by going digital-only at this point.

Shit deal is shit.
 
EA Access could be alright, but it's currently launching in a half-assed fashion. If I were to pay $4.99 a month, I'd want more than a handful of games there. EA has something like twenty years of gaming history to its name; it should provide back-catalogue access to old titles that are hard to come by nowadays alongside the newer titles.
 
I will not give EA any money and do not trust them. And i give just like jim the benefit from the doubt because this can get only worse.
 
backflip10019 said:
In theory, yes it does bother me. But I don't see how that's any different from the BS that publishers are already pulling with exclusive pre-order bonuses and platform exclusive content.

I honestly don't see it happening with these services because it would splinter the market for each game too much. Plus, by the time games are released on EA Access, it's probably going to be at least 6-8 months into the game's life cycle.
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The different is that : you pre-order ? you pay 60$ for a game and get a cool extra.
With this you pay 60$ for a game + 30$ for a subscription to get a map pack that you will need if you want to play multiplayer. Get it ?
 
plop said:
If it were that simple, why not just discount the digital versions of their games?
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Because free games will get more people interested. Both in buying games digitally, and in game series they otherwise wouldn't have looked in. And by doing it with games that aren't bought to any larger extent anymore, it doesn't really cost them anything.
 
SeanTSC said:
Going digital-only is basically purposely pissing away money with the price differences between digital and retail, especially if you have the far superior service that is GCU. You are actively choosing to burn money by going digital-only at this point.

Shit deal is shit.
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There are people out there who don't want the disks. They don't want the clutter. Am I one of them? In a way.

I pay $11 a month for two games a month from GameFly, getting games release day and sending them back for less than $5 a game. But would I say that everyone who buys retail games is getting ripped off? No. Some like to own the game. Some like having something physical. That's why I don't make broad statements like "x is shit" or "y is the best thing ever" because each person is unique in what they're looking for.
 
Einbroch said:
It's not a shit deal at all. What if you wanted to try Madden, FIFA, and Battlefield but didn't want to buy them full price? What if you go digital-only and the 10% is actually pretty good for you?

Just because it's a shit deal for you doesn't make it a shit deal for everyone. But, like I said, buy it for the now.
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Okay, let's say you wanted to try Madden, FIFA, and Battlefield before they came out.

Previously, you would've had access to a demo for free through the platforms' online services. Yeah, demos were awesome. After you played the demos, you could buy one of the games for $60, two for $120, or all three for $180.

Now, if you want those demos, you have to pay $30 for them. Let's say you like them all. No, you LOVE them all. So you buy all three of them for $54 a piece. With the $30 on top, that's $192. Of course, if you didn't like one of them and only bought two, you'd be paying $138 for two games. And if Madden blew chunks and Battlefield *gasp* wasn't working during the early access so you're holding off and only buying FIFA? It's just $90! But hey, maybe you chalk that $30 up as EA giving you the privilege of knowing that their game was in a crap state and saving you a $60 purchase, in which case you just netted $30! That's cool too, I guess.

Now factor in the fact that it's near-impossible to not find a game for less than $60 if you do any searching at all.
 
ash321 said:
The different is that : you pre-order ? you pay 60$ for a game and get a cool extra.
With this you pay 60$ for a game + 30$ for a subscription to get a map pack that you will need if you want to play multiplayer. Get it ?
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Where are you getting this from? Are you just making it up?
 
It's funny, the people that scream "b-b-b-but it's good value!" Seem to have forgotten who they are dealing with. It's the start of a new generation. EA will do everything to try and get their hooks into people including offering some unique titles and good value"


It's only 1 or 2 years from now, when they have people desperate to suck on their teat that the bullshit starts.
 
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.
 
backflip10019 said:
Where are you getting this from? Are you just making it up?
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In the same conversation of you and the other poster ? The other guys ask if "you not bothered by the notion of exclusive content or whatever other tactics they'll use to turn people to the service?"
You answer

In theory, yes it does bother me. But I don't see how that's any different from the BS that publishers are already pulling with exclusive pre-order bonuses and platform exclusive content.
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I point out the different between the two. Is there something wrong ?
 
Jim Sterling said:
Eh, I hate your videos too.
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lmao <3

Love me some Jim Sterling!

Jim Sterling said:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.
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Amazing, isn't it!? :)
 
Jim Sterling said:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.
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The bug princess one is still uncanny
 
Jim Sterling said:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.
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Shake your positive magic 8 ball once in a while. It would be nice to get something positive for a change. :p
 
Jim Sterling said:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.
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You are the Lil B of video games.
 
ash321 said:
In the same conversation of you and the other poster ? The other guys ask if "you not bothered by the notion of exclusive content or whatever other tactics they'll use to turn people to the service?"
You answer

I point out the different. Is there something wrong ?
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Well, you made up that example. There's been nothing to suggest that they're going to require you to buy the vanilla version of the retail game at launch as well as subscribe to the service in order to be able to play multiplayer. There's no way this would happen. Perhaps they would offer an exclusive multiplayer map, but even EA isn't dumb enough to force users to subscribe to the service in order to play multiplayer out of the box. They would be putting the nails in their own coffin of many of their franchises if this was the case.
 
Jim Sterling said:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.
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Either that... or you're cheating. I don't even have a theory on how yet but I'm sticking with this accusation. :-p

Seriously though that timing is fantastic.
 
Burt said:
Okay, let's say you wanted to try Madden, FIFA, and Battlefield before they came out.

Previously, you would've had access to a demo for free through the platforms' online services. Yeah, demos were awesome. After you played the demos, you could buy one of the games for $60, two for $120, or all three for $180.

Now, if you want those demos, you have to pay $30 for them. Let's say you like them all. No, you LOVE them all. So you buy all three of them for $54 a piece. With the $30 on top, that's $192. Of course, if you didn't like one of them and only bought two, you'd be paying $138 for two games. And if Madden blew chunks and Battlefield *gasp* wasn't working during the early access so you're holding off and only buying FIFA? It's just $90! But hey, maybe you chalk that $30 up as EA giving you the privilege of knowing that their game was in a crap state and saving you a $60 purchase, in which case you just netted $30! That's cool too, I guess.

Now factor in the fact that it's near-impossible to not find a game for less than $60 if you do any searching at all.
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I'm not defending the practice of taking demos away. That's bad, I even made such a post in the other thread.

But you're not paying for just demos. If the four games out right now and the 10% discount on digital games are enough value for you, why would you not buy the service (removing all moral/integrity arguments). Forget everything else. Forget that they might not give out any more games in the next year or they may give out a hundred.

I think that if someone wants to go full digital that money isn't the number one concern. But if you can save money doing something you were already going to do, why not? There is a case for the service. There are people that will love this. You and I not may be a part of this group, but it exists. And for those people, they will want this service.
 
Jim Sterling said:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.
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Your the messiah jim!
 
backflip10019 said:
Well, you made up that example. There's been nothing to suggest that they're going to require you to buy the vanilla version of the retail game at launch as well as subscribe to the service in order to be able to play multiplayer. There's no way this would happen. Perhaps they would offer an exclusive multiplayer map, but even EA isn't dumb enough to force users to subscribe to the service in order to play multiplayer out of the box. They would be putting the nails in their own coffin of many of their franchises if this was the case.
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They are. They will try to pull off everything they can get away with.
 
Einbroch said:
There are people out there who don't want the disks. They don't want the clutter. Am I one of them? In a way.

I pay $11 a month for two games a month from GameFly, getting games release day and sending them back for less than $5 a game. But would I say that everyone who buys retail games is getting ripped off? No. Some like to own the game. Some like having something physical. That's why I don't make broad statements like "x is shit" or "y is the best thing ever" because each person is unique in what they're looking for.
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That's a great way of doing things if you like to rent, but I'm going to go ahead and assume that you're in the minority here. While this "could" be a good deal for a small, select group of people, overall EA Access is a shit deal for the majority of people who purchase video games. Especially so for the many who trade games in, since you can't do that with Digital. Even more so for people who take advantage of things such as price drops and sales (you can almost always get a game for less than retail somewhere), services like GCU, Canada's sweet 30% off on pre-orders, etc.

It's easier to just say "It's A Shit Deal" than go "It's A Shit Deal * Disclaimer: might not be shit for 4% of the game buying population."
 
backflip10019 said:
Well, you made up that example. There's been nothing to suggest that they're going to require you to buy the vanilla version of the retail game at launch as well as subscribe to the service in order to be able to play multiplayer. There's no way this would happen. Perhaps they would offer an exclusive multiplayer map, but even EA isn't dumb enough to force users to subscribe to the service in order to play multiplayer out of the box. They would be putting the nails in their own coffin of many of their franchises if this was the case.
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Hey i just jump in the conversation =)) Also it's what the other guy said when he said "exclusive map or feature to make it more attractive". It already happen they splitting multiplayer communities with map packs. They still churn out normal map, but they just need to make the subscription map better so everyone want to play on that map.
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
It was an " in addition to" kind of post.
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Eh. Fair point then :)
 
Hmmm, I remember that the sky was supposed to fall years ago for PC gamers when Ubisoft opened up Uplay and EA had Origin. The floodgates would open and every publisher would have their own storefront you would be required to go through...and that didn't happen.

It's not going to happen here either.
 
I agree with Jim on this. These subs will just add up together and soon they'll be more expensive then just buying games you want to play. Then someone will argue saying "Then just do that, no one is forcing you." And then the other problem comes into play. Gated off content. Subs would get exclusive content just to make them more enticing.
This is a huge problem that will come into play. I honestly don't want that.
 
Jim Sterling said:
I suggest Bug Princess could be a playable character in Hyrule Warriors - a few months later they announce Bug Princess as playable.

I make a joke that Capcom has been dropping the ball by not remaking Resident Evil for the new consoles like it always does - two days later, Capcom announces it's remaking Resident Evil for new consoles.

I make a Jimquisition about how EA Access will soon see EA gating off content it used to provide as standard - 47 MINUTES LATER, Electronic Arts announces it's gating off content it used to provide as standard.

I genuinely, truly, believe I am some sort of Holy Being.
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You predicted EA was going to try to screw over its customers. It's like predicting the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
 
Kintaro said:
Hmmm, I remember that the sky was supposed to fall years ago for PC gamers when Ubisoft opened up Uplay and EA had Origin. The floodgates would open and every publisher would have their own storefront you would be required to go through...and that didn't happen.

It's not going to happen here either.
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It's because Steam is strong. Uplay and Origin are shit. People are lazy (the fk with the "If it not on Steam am not going to buy it" shit). And every big publishers do have their store, try google it, hell some indie even have there own store.
 
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