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Jimquisition (August 11) - EA Access ... Denied
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Haahaa, not a chance in hell. Gamers have shown by and large a willingness to take whatever crap publishers thrust on them. XB1 DRM being one of the very few exceptions.
I guess God is starting to work around your schedule.
maniac-kun
Member
Maybe Ubisoft watched you video too. You gave them a bad idea.
Neuromancer
Member
We demand expiation
It doesn't matter .. It is optional and you don't know if demos would continue without it.
Also on consoles keeping up with multiple subscriptions is easy because they are attached to your main account.
It's a good reason why I like to play mmos on consoles.
The Escapist website that this video is hosted on certainly has autorenew, I got charged another year for their service only a couple of weeks ago.
Seems a little off complaining about services when your video is part of one really.
I think the difference is the structure, not the content or price, that is the issue here.
I pay for a sub as if it grants me access to games.
What it's more like, is that games are changed into some base state and i pay to access that, and then i can buy* dlc that completes the game. Now we see that a demo IS the base game in this case.
The sub isn't moving the line to give me content, it moved it to take it away. I am being asked to pay a subscription for the priviledge of buying* content.
If this were like netflix, i would pay for access of things where i knew the content, and i would get that access. i wouldn't buy* ornaments to my subscription.
*rent until subscription lapses
edit:
i assume the escapist sub works more like the method in which it grants you the access that you wanted in the first place.
Jim Sterling
Member
Not really.
A) I don't sell my videos for $60 per episode.
B) I am not complaining about the very idea of subscription services, just certain implementations of them.
C) I have complaints about the Escapist's service and have voiced those too, so it's not like I've given even my own contractees a free pass here.
RicoTheMad
Banned
I never visit this website because it is utter garbage on a mobile phone, and I refuse to pay extra for providing users a good experience. I'd say this practice is more atrocious than EA putting a demo behind some paywall which otherwise seems like not a horrible deal if you don't already own the games.
Figure out another way to monetize your content, if game developers need to do it, you sure as hell need to get on the wagon too.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
That´s not what i meant. Subs like Netflix, PS+, Live and all the other paid service have auto renewal. I don´t mind auto renewal on a free service, since it is free.
So... can you list about 6 numbers between 1 and 75? No real reason
Also, I may have missed it, but did you ever say anything about the retailer specific HW costumes?
Yeah, everytime I see these threads I think "oh that sounds interesting, will watch". Then I remember the site has Html5 behind a paywall and laugh. Access denied indeed.
Uno Venova
Banned
People were apparently outraged that Sony put a stint on the growth of this publisher sub trend but congratulations people,
IT'S HAPPENING!
JesseEwiak
Member
So, you're telling me that in a few years, instead of waiting for a Steam Sale to play Assassin's Creed 12 or Mass Effect 8, I'll only have to pay $5 or $10/month? And you're telling me that's a horrible thing? Nah.
HocusPocus
Member
Ea access I get 4 games for 30 dollars. What's not to like? I will definitely get dragon age 3 for 10 percent off and early access. I laugh at the hate this is getting.
You can buy the demos, that's all we've confirmed here.
licktheenvelope
Member
I'm still confused as to what the service gives you exactly. From what I can tell you get access to downloadable older games (though it doesn't specify how old... and doesn't specify DLC, though I would guess there's no chance of that); 10% off downloadable purchases; and 5 days of early access to download new games... that i'm assuming you pay full price for.
Considering almost every EA games i've looked at getting in the last couple years has horrendously failed at launch I hope they are joking.
Considering almost every EA games i've looked at getting in the last couple years has horrendously failed at launch I hope they are joking.
Unknown One
Member
EA has demos behind a paywall. I'm guessing they'll have betas behind it in the future. What is to stop them from having -2 day release date to one up Activision behind it.
I think the most sane response to this whole thing, and any other similar service is "wait and see". You aren't going to miss out on a lot in the first year. I think that's the biggest argument Jim was making with this video. You shouldn't trust EA because they seem to be offering something nice, they should earn your trust by proving they can offer something nice and keep it up.
NullPointer
Member
He's right, and he didn't even bring up the subtle and not so subtle content extortion angle. Since you have to keep your membership going to have access to the games and perks it becomes easier over time for any of these service providers to simply raise the price or shuffle features around to higher priced tiers. If you don't follow along you'll lose all access. So at the very least any of the pricing should be taken as introductory and audience building. The screws come later.
Also, I'm not sure of all of the details but does the EA sub require players to be online to access their games, even offline modes? If so I wonder how different this is from any plans EA might have had pre Xbone 180s.
Also, I'm not sure of all of the details but does the EA sub require players to be online to access their games, even offline modes? If so I wonder how different this is from any plans EA might have had pre Xbone 180s.
Great as always, thanks for lighting up my monday evening...
Our Pope has forsaken us!
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
No it won't.
There are some gamers that haven't bought any of those games believe it or not. I'm one.
This is why folks were speculating that there was collusion going on and EA threw Microsoft under the bus post reveal the other year.
My money hasn't gone to EA through origin in years
ShinMaruku
Member
I'd argue that's not speculation. The only people would benefit from the pre 180 thing was the publishers
panda-zebra
Member
"It's what they do".
yep.
yep.
Fuz
Banned
Exactly this.
Gamers are stupid and let companies get away with way too much as soon as they see terrible copypasted AAA shinies.
This is a good representation:
Don't forget Gamestop, and whoever else Microsoft picks for used games
In lieu of hard evidence, I thought the appropriate choice of words was speculation. This would be in spite of these actions being a sort of confirmation of intent.
I dont know Jim...
out of the three subscriptions I presently keep on consoles, ea access was the only one that was not forced on me.
(and yes, I did not have a plus subscription before it was required, even though I had -and still have- a ps3)
ea access is not required to play online or anything.
frankly, it just seemed a good deal.
and especially if one has even one game on disk, just by selling it he gets that one plus three more for free, plus whatever else they'll do for an entire year.
and if he aint happy after 12 months, no more money to ea access.
how come you dont see this as something more than ..bait?
sometimes its better to take things for what they are, and not for what they could become if a hundred "ifs" happen.
out of the three subscriptions I presently keep on consoles, ea access was the only one that was not forced on me.
(and yes, I did not have a plus subscription before it was required, even though I had -and still have- a ps3)
ea access is not required to play online or anything.
frankly, it just seemed a good deal.
and especially if one has even one game on disk, just by selling it he gets that one plus three more for free, plus whatever else they'll do for an entire year.
and if he aint happy after 12 months, no more money to ea access.
how come you dont see this as something more than ..bait?
sometimes its better to take things for what they are, and not for what they could become if a hundred "ifs" happen.
It already has become bait in case you missed the news. So he was right. Watch it get worse from here if people actually use it.
You're not really buying a demo here though. This is more like how PS+ sometimes offered full game trials, however the trial period here is 5 days rather than the fairly pointless 1 hour. Now, would it be better if there was a free demo as well? Sure. However it's a bit early to credit EA Access as being the reason why the demo doesn't exist. Madden 25 and NHL 14 didn't have X1 or PS4 demos last year either, and there's been a growing trend away from demos for all publishers in general, not just those with a subscription service. MS removed the mandatory demos that used to be part of XBLA (whilst dropping the XBLA designation with it), mainly because developers/publishers often didn't want to create them. I wouldn't be surprised to see far fewer demos this time around, regardless of is the publisher has a subscription to sell or not.
I decided to check this for you. The answer is yes.
I guess the main (obvious) difference here is that you can buy an Xbox One, and not subscribe to EA Access.
See above. That news isn't quite as new as people think.
correct me if I am wrong, but the news you refer to is that the next nfl-whatever will not have a demo released prior to game launch?
now, you would have a case if the demo was available to ea access only.
but from what i read that is not the case.
and even then, that would still be kind of reasonable.
we are nine months in. how many games have offered you a demo beforehand?
edit:
now, about this:
ideally i would want this fixed. games should work online and offline for the duration of my subscription.
"mr good guy ea" should fix this, to keep the title.
Yeah, I was speaking flippantly, but I mean to point out that people are saying "I can pay to try the game early" when it's also true that "Now I have to pay to try the game early"
Yea, I get what you mean. I'm really not liking the lack of demos for this gen (having to trial Strider on 360 at 30fps due to there being no next-gen demo sucked). I don't think your post really applies to what that poster was saying however. He seemed to be talking about how often when there's a game that has your interest, but you're not willing to buy it at a standard price (very common with short games that you don't expect to replay), people will often wait for it to appear in a Steam sale for sub-$10 before grabbing it. In this case, for something like BF4, you can simply try it once it hits the vault, which if the offerings continue to have a similar lead time, will be long before they're likely to hit a similar price range on Steam.
Portugeezer
Member
Jim seems upset about the idea of companies making a profit.
I don't think EA Access is a good deal in the long run, it's okay for now, you could pay $5 and play all those games for a month, then be done with them, or $30 and play them for a year; hard to find a better deal. In the future you know it's going to be mostly games of which sales have slowed to a crawl or of which they can make more money off of by putting it on their EA Access service.
I'm more worried about the future implications of such a service, which Jim alludes to.
I don't think EA Access is a good deal in the long run, it's okay for now, you could pay $5 and play all those games for a month, then be done with them, or $30 and play them for a year; hard to find a better deal. In the future you know it's going to be mostly games of which sales have slowed to a crawl or of which they can make more money off of by putting it on their EA Access service.
I'm more worried about the future implications of such a service, which Jim alludes to.
Even if they resist the temptation to keep certain titles behind a pay-wall and there are no other major "subscriber exclusives" like the DLC you mention it will still effect everybody.
With more people subscribing you change the supply and demand of physical copies, the publishers will print fewer discs so they'll end up holding their price for longer and in some cases will become hard to find.
Without physical copies filling bargain bins there'll be less need for them to reduce digital prices too.
So there's a good chance that if you ignore the subscription services they'll still end up costing you money.
CambriaRising
Member
Amazing video as always.
It's the first video of Jim I'm watching since the whole X1 DRM drama, that was quite interesting.
If you are reading this, Jim: I HAVE FAITH IN YOU NOW!
Seriously though, I gotta watch more of your stuff, loving it so far.
Another point is that game companies will probably eventually use these services to promote exclusive games that will only be available through these services. Making them 100% controlled by the publisher, having all right to withdraw it from your hands whenever they want to, making you repay no matter how many times you will want to play in the future. Being a physical media enthusiast, it's really not a route I'm willing to take. :/
The profit they will make with that shit will be gigantic, long-term wise. I'm sure many people will probably pay even more for this service over the years than what they'll pay to play the games they would play by buying them, some being new and some being used.
That is, if things work out good for them, which probably will.
If you are reading this, Jim: I HAVE FAITH IN YOU NOW!
Seriously though, I gotta watch more of your stuff, loving it so far.
Another point is that game companies will probably eventually use these services to promote exclusive games that will only be available through these services. Making them 100% controlled by the publisher, having all right to withdraw it from your hands whenever they want to, making you repay no matter how many times you will want to play in the future. Being a physical media enthusiast, it's really not a route I'm willing to take. :/
The profit they will make with that shit will be gigantic, long-term wise. I'm sure many people will probably pay even more for this service over the years than what they'll pay to play the games they would play by buying them, some being new and some being used.
That is, if things work out good for them, which probably will.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Jim is our watchful protector.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
There's two kinds of people on the "haters" comment on this: people capable of pattern recognition and those jealous of that ability.
And he's assuredly a better rapper, too.