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Johnny Depp Vs Amber Heard Defamation trial live

Yoboman

Member
Mainstream media outlets still batting for Amber. Fuck them all, taking side of an abuser just because she is a woman, indeed proving what Amber said- 'see who will believe you'.

I am sick of going to Google News and seeing headlines like 'The pain in Amber heard's testimony' and 'Why Amber must be believed for the sake of all women' on WaPo and all.

Fuck you rags. As if I didn't hate the left liberal idea's of 'suppression hierarchy' and following it blindly enough.
It's cause they are absolutely 2-3 years behind public sentiment

They were late on MeToo when it was legitimate monsters like Weinstein and it wasn't a media outlet uncovering even though they all knew. People were outraged and the journalists were clueless

Now when public sentiment swings towards a man in the case of a false accusation of Depp they are clueless again
 
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SpongebobSquaredance

Unconfirmed Member
Mainstream media outlets still batting for Amber. Fuck them all, taking side of an abuser just because she is a woman, indeed proving what Amber said- 'see who will believe you'.

I am sick of going to Google News and seeing headlines like 'The pain in Amber heard's testimony' and 'Why Amber must be believed for the sake of all women' on WaPo and all.

Fuck you rags. As if I didn't hate the left liberal idea's of 'suppression hierarchy' and following it blindly enough.
Interesting enough, when I go on google news I have headlines like...
Johnny Depp and Amber Heard are both losers in their bitter courtroom battle – here's why
Johnny Depp & Amber Heard: Nach Prozess-Ende lässt er sich feiern wie ein Held (After the end of the process, he lets himself be celebrated.)

What the Depp v Heard trial tells us about modern Hollywood
Johnny Depp v Amber Heard: The key points from six weeks of evidence in US libel trial
Is It Okay To Laugh At The Johnny Depp Vs Amber Heard Trial?
Johnny Depp lässt sich vor Gerichtsgebäude feiern – Amber Heard kassiert Buhrufe (Johnny Depp celebrates in front of the courthouse – Amber Heard receives boos)

Depp-Heard-Prozess: Johnny zieht größtes Ass zum Schluss - Überraschende Zeugin könnte Prozess entscheiden (Depp Heard process: Johnny pulls the biggest ace at the end – surprising witness could decide the process)

10 pages in this was the closest I could find in the vain of 'The pain in Amber heard's testimony' and 'Why Amber must be believed for the sake of all women'...

Johnny Depp: Wendet sich seine Familie jetzt von ihm ab? (Johnny Depp: Is his family turning their backs on him now?)

Why do people blindly support Johnny Depp? I’ll tell you why

Johnny Depp fans are waging a sinister war against Amber
 
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jonnyp

Member
Rocky and her ex husband were there for the break-up incident and aftermath. And both claimed that Amber had strike marks on her face and that the house was all torn up. Which police refute. But they stuck to that story. Wouldn't now, when ur no longer friends with Amber....be the perfect time to be like NAH it was all a ruse. To get back at her. But they are both sticking to the story that ambers recollection of the police call incident are true

Yeah, the two freeloading best friends came after the alleged assault. They didn't witness him be violent with her, ever. That's their testimony.

Again, they stuck to the story they made up that night to avoid perjury charges. Why on earth would they risk criminal charges "to get back at her"? Of course they are sticking to the story, to protect themselves, not her.

It's obvious what happened that night. 4 officers saw no property damage, no injuries on her. After the officers leave, they then staged damage and spilled wine and took photos for later use in her divorce negotiations. Bodycam from the second set of officers confirm it. No 3rd party witness saw any injuries on her the next day or the next day or the next day etc.

How you can even begin to believe her and her freeloading friends' BS is utterly beyond me.
 
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Lord Panda

The Sea is Always Right
This article sums up the state of our national broadcaster in Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/johnny-depp-amber-heard-domestic-violence/101093294

Again, none of these pieces actually address the actual evidence and testimony against Heard. They also label Depp supporters as rabid ‘fans’ ... at best that's a huge failure to read the room, and at worse disingenuous. Let's continue to ignore all the women, and professionals, and enforcement who were not paid but still went on to testify that Heard was essentially lying through her teeth. This shit thing is that if Depp loses this, it further emboldens these fuckers to push their blind mantra of believe all women without question even further. It also emboldens all the crazy female psychos with the knowledge that they can easily get away with this shit.

I can already picture some of the headlines:

'Heard's stunning victory for all women.'
'Justice for Amber and all survivors.'

:rolleyes:

What I'd love to see is this:

'Depp Defeats Duplicitous Defecating Damsel'
'Depp Donates (not Pledges) Defamation Winnings to Charities'
 
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IFireflyl

Gold Member
This article sums up the state of our national broadcaster in Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/johnny-depp-amber-heard-domestic-violence/101093294

Around 25 per cent of women and nearly 10 per cent of men in the United States say they have experienced intimate-partner violence, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That includes physical or sexual violence, as well as stalking and psychological aggression.

While many survivors of sexual assault don't report it, the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC) estimates only between two and 10 per cent of allegations are fabricated.

"In general, we need to know that when victims come forward, they're mostly telling the truth," said Katie Hood, the CEO of One Love Foundation, a nonprofit focused on respectful relationships.

"We need to really gut-check that with ourselves, and support people when they come forward."

First of all, the estimated 2%-10% of people reporting sexual assault being liars is a huge number of people being falsely accused each year. In the U.S. alone there are an average of about 465,000 sexual assaults per year. That means that with this estimate there are between 9,300 to 46,500 people falsely accused of sexual assault per year in the U.S. alone based on this study, and that number should scare people.

Even if someone finds those numbers to be reasonable (which is nuts), the study itself is stupid because their estimate is based on 136 sexual assault cases reported at a single university over a 10-year period. That's a terrible source for these estimates.

The idiocy of the #MeToo movement is that it is saying men should be guilty until proven innocent. How do you prove you didn't abuse someone? This is why in the U.S. we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Then the burden of proof is on the accuser, not on the accused. It should be (and I'm not saying this is always the case) easier to prove someone assaulted you than it is to prove that you didn't assault someone.

What we really need is for girls and young women to be coached towards reporting anyone who assaults them as soon as possible after the assault occurs. And I don't mean that they should be coached as a one-off situation where a parent or counselor says it and then everyone moves on, but rather it should be a repeated reiteration of that message several times per year. Women who are assaulted shouldn't need to be afraid to speak up immediately following the abuse, but the biggest problem with proving sexual abuse is time. Once your wounds have healed then it becomes more of a he-said-she-said, and then the abuser is more likely to get away with it.

Honestly, I hope this trial DOES upset the #MeToo movement. I don't say that because I want women to be oppressed, but because the pendulum needs to move back to a position of balance. I fully understand that powerful men have abused their power to the detriment of women. But that doesn't mean that we need to punish all men for all time. The #MeToo movement presupposes that the accused men are guilty. That is a terrible way for society to function.
 
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Sony

Nintendo
He definitely has the public on his side. Even on Era they hope he wins.

No. I would hardly call Era an entity that is pro Depp. There is a vocal minority on Era that is pro Depp. It's the same group of users that keeps coming back. The moderation is biased and unfair and most users appear to stay out of the thread in general. If the genders were reversed, you'd see much more users flocking to the thread.
 

Sony

Nintendo
What I was wondering, trial related, is how it's allowed to present such a vastly different scope of judgment to the judges in the closing statements.
Depps counsil told the judges that it's their job to:
- Establish wether the op-ed was about Depp
- Wether there was malicious intent
- Wether it's more likely than not that Heard abused Depp

Heard's counsil basically said:
- Well if you believe that Depp touched Heard just once then you can rule in favor of Heard.

Uhm, these could be two separate cases. They're told two different things. I think it's up to the judge to step in and protect a jury that is being influenced with confusion.

By the way, how is that even true? Believing that Depp touched Heard once and the defamatory nature of the Op-ed aren't mutually exclusive.
 
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SpongebobSquaredance

Unconfirmed Member
No. I would hardly call Era an entity that is pro Depp. There is a vocal minority on Era that is pro Depp. It's the same group of users that keeps coming back. The moderation is biased and unfair and most users appear to stay out of the thread in general. If the genders were reversed, you'd see much more users flocking to the thread.
The vast majority of the 200-plus page-long thread about the subject is pro Depp. The moderation may be biased, but they don't seem to be biased towards Heard, otherwise, you would see bans left and right. Most users also aren't in on the case on GAF, which is understandable, as most users are here for gaming-centered discussion. The users that want to be part of the discussion are here though and those that are here are pro Depp. The bolded is probably true though, which is sad.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
First of all, the estimated 2%-10% of people reporting sexual assault being liars is a huge number of people being falsely accused each year. In the U.S. alone there are an average of about 465,000 sexual assaults per year. That means that with this estimate there are between 9,300 to 46,500 people falsely accused of sexual assault per year in the U.S. alone based on this study, and that number should scare people.

Even if someone finds those numbers to be reasonable (which is nuts), the study itself is stupid because their estimate is based on 136 sexual assault cases reported at a single university over a 10-year period. That's a terrible source for these estimates.

The idiocy of the #MeToo movement is that it is saying men should be guilty until proven innocent. How do you prove you didn't abuse someone? This is why in the U.S. we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Then the burden of proof is on the accuser, not on the accused. It should be (and I'm not saying this is always the case) easier to prove someone assaulted you than it is to prove that you didn't assault someone.

What we really need is for girls and young women to be coached towards reporting anyone who assaults them as soon as possible after the assault occurs. And I don't mean that they should be coached as a one-off situation where a parent or counselor says it and then everyone moves on, but rather it should be a repeated reiteration of that message several times per year. Women who are assaulted shouldn't need to be afraid to speak up immediately following the abuse, but the biggest problem with proving sexual abuse is time. Once your wounds have healed then it becomes more of a he-said-she-said, and then the abuser is more likely to get away with it.

Honestly, I hope this trial DOES upset the #MeToo movement. I don't say that because I want women to be oppressed, but because the pendulum needs to move back to a position of balance. I fully understand that powerful men have abused their power to the detriment of women. But that doesn't mean that we need to punish all men for all time. The #MeToo movement presupposes that the accused men are guilty. That is a terrible way for society to function.
The reason why something like Metoo and social media ragging on certain groups of people first is because in life typically the down and outers get some leeway to vent. Whether it's true or not, you kind of let them get their way for a bit in hopes they exhaust themselves making themselves feel better.

And most of the time, big time whiners know false claims go unpunished. So you might as well make a bold claim and hope it wins. If it doesn't, nothing happens.

It's like big brother and small brother. Small brother tells mom and dad big bro hit him. Might be true. Might not be true. If parents find out it's a lie, nobody gives a shit and nothing happens. Gives opportunity for small bro to make that claim again hoping it sticks.

Now if small bro knows a false accusation will lead to mom and dad kicking him in the ass, small bro knows to shut his mouth. But the family allows crybaby small bro to make claims and say dumb shit because they know he's a dumb ass.
 
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Yeah, the two freeloading best friends came after the alleged assault. They didn't witness him be violent with her, ever. That's their testimony.

Again, they stuck to the story they made up that night to avoid perjury charges. Why on earth would they risk criminal charges "to get back at her"? Of course they are sticking to the story, to protect themselves, not her.

It's obvious what happened that night. 4 officers saw no property damage, no injuries on her. After the officers leave, they then staged damage and spilled wine and took photos for later use in her divorce negotiations. Bodycam from the second set of officers confirm it. No 3rd party witness saw any injuries on her the next day or the next day or the next day etc.

How you can even begin to believe her and her freeloading friends' BS is utterly beyond me.
but this would be the perjury. Sticking to this story. Who cares about the UK shit...they don't live there and its not like they are gonna get extradited for that. They just lied in Virginia no less. For what?
 

jufonuk

not tag worthy
He definitely has the public on his side. Even on Era they hope he wins.
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Sony

Nintendo
The vast majority of the 200-plus page-long thread about the subject is pro Depp. The moderation may be biased, but they don't seem to be biased towards Heard, otherwise, you would see bans left and right. Most users also aren't in on the case on GAF, which is understandable, as most users are here for gaming-centered discussion. The users that want to be part of the discussion are here though and those that are here are pro Depp. The bolded is probably true though, which is sad.

I know the thread is pro Depp. What I'm saying is that it's a vocal minority, meaning the 200 pages are filled by a handful of people. And they starting moderating the thread after they were called out of their moderation bias and double standards.
 
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SpongebobSquaredance

Unconfirmed Member
I know the thread is pro Depp. What I'm saying is that it's a vocal minority, meaning the 200 pages are filled by a handful of people. And they starting moderating the thread after they were called out of their moderation bias and double standards.
I'm not sure if that's a fair assessment. Obviously there won't be the entirety of Era in the thread. As said, many only visit these types of forums for gaming-centered discussion. Those that are invested in the case though and wanna discuss it over there are pro Depp and I think that's definitely a positive. Whether it is a vocal minority, idk, and I'm not interested in looking through all the pages to see how many users actually are in the thread.
 

jonnyp

Member
but this would be the perjury. Sticking to this story. Who cares about the UK shit...they don't live there and its not like they are gonna get extradited for that. They just lied in Virginia no less. For what?

Is it really that hard to understand? If they admit they lied in their previous depositions and trial testimony then that is definite perjury. By sticking to their story in this civil trial they will not face any charges. It's up to the jury to decide for AH or JD but they will not face any consequences for sticking with their stories here. And I think most people would try to avoid being under perjury charges in another country, come on now. The British commonwealth is rather large still too.
 
She's fucking done in Hollywood and might want to consider the porn industry. They welcome white trash like her.
James Deen as James Franco.

Good fit
I realized seeing this on the news for the past few weeks that I'm weak and I'd be all over it.
Nah. Surely bad chemistry unless you're turned on by problems and self centered'ness.

I'm not pro-depp tbh, I think it's clear from what I've seen that they both abused the other and needed to feel in control somewhat. They're just different in the way they did and one went out of their way first to screw the other going through all means necessary and hence is getting shut down now. Which is certainly a form of karma, but by no means a full acquittal for the other guy. It's all very grey.

They're mentos vs coca cola, am I am a fan of neither. At most I could say one is less bad than the other, but I honestly don't know which depends of how much of what the other claims they did, they did.

Don't forget Depp is friends with Marylin Manson and how we know Marylin Manson life was a few years back, I'm sure he was keen on what is going on (hell, Marylin Manson would brag to people he didn't know about stuff like having a rape room...), Depp is no "women rights advocator" per see, lots of misogynistic hints here and there which shows how he was brought up and how he thinks. Funny that he would pick a crazy self entitled feminist to mate with in the first place, but probably not the first.

They're both, quite honestly crap. But one is an A-star with undeniable charisma, the other is decidedly C/B-tier and yet thinks she can act it all for the pity of others. So once the first blows wore out the more she was at a disadvantage in that regard as well.

This was a shit show though, literally. People were busy with all kinds of noise instead of focusing on facts, and weirdly that strategy came out stronger on the supposedly abused person. Which is weird. But both didn't want to get at length with what actually happened, just that they wouldn't do that based on something else.
 
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I kind of feel sorry for Ms. Turd. I don't think she wrote the Op Ed to hurt Johnny. I think she was just trying to further her career. And was forced to back it up which has now blown spectacularly in her face.
she tried to pull a Zoe Quinn, ride the metoo thing by playing the victim with no regard for the other.

I'm sure their relationship was toxic, but she's half of the toxic equation. She felt like she could clean her image by trashing the other. The other felt she was equaly bad or even worse than him, but I don't think he's admitting everything, I dunno if he even remembers some of the stances.

Also, I'm sure she didn't write de Op Ed, she told someone what she wanted to be in it, outsourced it and then undersigned it.

Very poor decision making. If she was the one writing it perhaps she could have sidestepped the direct attack in any way shape or form, by withholding information or making it not to be about her, which is admittedly hard for her but impossible for someone writing something as if she was someone else. They've admitted as much. She's not very bright.

I'm sure she suffers from some serious personality disorder - anyway, that doesn't mean everything she said should be disregarded for it. But undermines her credibility.
If Johnny wins how would she even pay him? She made a measly 2 Million from Aquaman 2. Can she file bankruptcy to avoid?

Also if Johnny wins can he possibly use this to reopen the UK case? It makes the judge there look like an utter fool for not letting a ton evidence into trial.
She'll appeal, and if all comes to this she'll either enter a plea bargain with depps team, admitting she lied or something (like they came to an agreement the first time around with the "our relationship was intense and volatile at times, but full of love" shit; or she'll claim insolvency and pay what she can (probably, I'm not sure of this)

This is not a trial about money, what Depp wants is to be uncancelled while cancelling the other. And right now it seems like he could do that without even winning the trial.
 
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6502

Member
she tried to pull a Zoe Quinn, ride the metoo thing by playing the victim with no regard for the other.

I'm sure their relationship was toxic, but she's half of the toxic equation. She felt like she could clean her image by trashing the other. The other felt she was equaly bad or even worse than him, but I don't think he's admitting everything, I dunno if he even remembers some of the stances.

Also, I'm sure she didn't write de Op Ed, she told someone what she wanted to be in it, outsourced it and then undersigned it.

Very poor decision making. If she was the one writing it perhaps she could have sidestepped the direct attack in any way shape or form, by withholding information or making it not to be about her, which is admittedly hard for her but impossible for someone writing something as if she was someone else. They've admitted as much. She's not very bright.

I'm sure she suffers from some serious personality disorder - anyway, that doesn't mean everything she said should be disregarded for it. But undermines her credibility.

She'll appeal, and if all comes to this she'll either enter a plea bargain with depps team, admitting she lied or something (like they came to an agreement the first time around with the "our relationship was intense and volatile at times, but full of love" shit; or she'll claim insolvency and pay what she can (probably, I'm not sure of this)

This is not a trial about money, what Depp wants is to be uncancelled while cancelling the other. And right now it seems like he could do that without even winning the trial.
Are you allowed to just appeal for a second bite of the cherry or do you first have to prove a legal flaw with the judge / process? (Not from USA).
 

itsgreen

Member
Are you allowed to just appeal for a second bite of the cherry or do you first have to prove a legal flaw with the judge / process? (Not from USA).

I believe you can appeal, not sure on the circumstances, but that's why all denied things were read to be inserted in the record.

They can redo the entire thing if there is a hung jury. That seems a bit unlikely though, the redo thing.
 

DJ12

Member
I believe you can appeal, not sure on the circumstances, but that's why all denied things were read to be inserted in the record.

They can redo the entire thing if there is a hung jury. That seems a bit unlikely though, the redo thing.
There needs to be grounds for appeal anywhere in the world, some youtube lawyer thought that's why she was letting stuff in from ambers team that might not normally be allowed so there would be no appeal if she lost.
 

Sony

Nintendo
I kind of feel sorry for Ms. Turd. I don't think she wrote the Op Ed to hurt Johnny. I think she was just trying to further her career. And was forced to back it up which has now blown spectacularly in her face.

What exactly do you feel sorry for?
- The fact that she was the abusive one during the relationship?
- The fact that she faked her injuries?
- The fact that she took photos of Depp with the goal of framing him?
- The fact that she did frame him, destroying his career
- The fact that she lied about it under oath in a trial?
- The fact that the media is still defending her over Depp despite all the evidence?
 

Sony

Nintendo
Oh snap, so either Depp gets 50, Heard gets 100, or neither gets anything?

95% no one gets anything I imagine.

No, either one of them winning their case doesn't mean they get all the money. It's up to the jury to decide what is a reasonable amount.
 
Are you allowed to just appeal for a second bite of the cherry or do you first have to prove a legal flaw with the judge / process? (Not from USA).
I'm not sure as I'm not from US either. Law is usually logic though so I'm assuming it works a bit like it does here.

From what I've seen when it's big companies in litigation they can appeal but if they were ordered to pay something then they have to pay then appeal, if you can't pay they'll either set a more realistic sum they thing actually reflects the damages or they'll do a payment plan with that in mind.

I doubt they'll award depp 50 million in damages from heard even if he wins. But like I said, I don't really understand their system. They have to all agree though, and I think that's hard to agree on.

I understand you can always appeal, unless it's been appealed for before or it has reached a decision in supreme court (the last stance where they can take such a case). I'm not sure this case could go all the way until supreme court though.
 
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BeardGawd

Banned
What exactly do you feel sorry for?
- The fact that she was the abusive one during the relationship?
- The fact that she faked her injuries?
- The fact that she took photos of Depp with the goal of framing him?
- The fact that she did frame him, destroying his career
- The fact that she lied about it under oath in a trial?
- The fact that the media is still defending her over Depp despite all the evidence?
I'm just an empathetic person. You can feel sorry for someone's plight even if self inflicted. The bright side is this shows false accusations do exist and we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Like Joe Rogan said WB should just cast them both in the next PotC. Hype would be insane.
 

Mr Moose

Member
I'm just an empathetic person. You can feel sorry for someone's plight even if self inflicted. The bright side is this shows false accusations do exist and we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Like Joe Rogan said WB should just cast them both in the next PotC. Hype would be insane.
Why would Warner Bros. make a Pirates of the Caribbean?
 
Like Joe Rogan said WB should just cast them both in the next PotC. Hype would be insane.
Not really doable.

Both wouldn't accept it (thankfully). And Disney always throws people under the bus to be on the "right side of history" every time something is remotely polemic and that way avoid a rehash by seemingly stand by someone they have a working relation with (it's always: "aha! not anymore"), they're also doing content for a percentile and horrified of being cancelled themselves. I mean, just look what they did to star wars.

They're not actually concerned with whatever people do unless they get caught. They're hypocritical cowards.
 
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LegendOfKage

Gold Member
What exactly do you feel sorry for?
- The fact that she was the abusive one during the relationship?
- The fact that she faked her injuries?
- The fact that she took photos of Depp with the goal of framing him?
- The fact that she did frame him, destroying his career
- The fact that she lied about it under oath in a trial?
- The fact that the media is still defending her over Depp despite all the evidence?
How about the fact that if she does have borderline personality disorder, she could have a fear of abandonment so strong that it has warped her perception of reality to the point where the level of emotional pain and distress in her mind justifies her actions. I still absolutely think Johnny should win this case, of course. This video did a lot to change my view of the situation. It's understandable that people would hate Amber for the pain she's caused, but if literal mental illness is driving her to these actions, she needs help. And if she doesn't get that help, she's going to ruin the rest of her life, and many other friendships and relationships as well.

If she does have borderline personality disorder, the good news is that it can be treated.

 

DJ12

Member
How about the fact that if she does have borderline personality disorder, she could have a fear of abandonment so strong that it has warped her perception of reality to the point where the level of emotional pain and distress in her mind justifies her actions. I still absolutely think Johnny should win this case, of course. This video did a lot to change my view of the situation. It's understandable that people would hate Amber for the pain she's caused, but if literal mental illness is driving her to these actions, she needs help. And if she doesn't get that help, she's going to ruin the rest of her life, and many other friendships and relationships as well.

If she does have borderline personality disorder, the good news is that it can be treated.


Her having a mental illness doesn't excuse fabricating evidence for these stories.

She needs help for sure, but she won't seek it.
 
What are the chances of Depp winning this?

We all know Amber looks the most suspect just based on the overwhelming amount of evidence but I heard it takes only 1 juror to side with Amber for her to win this which I mean is highly unlikely since the evidence presented against her is so damning.
 
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Konnor

Member
What are the chances of Depp winning this?

We all know Amber looks the most suspect just based on the overwhelming amount of evidence but I heard it takes only 1 juror to side with Amber for her to win this which I mean is highly unlikely since the evidence presented against her is so damning.


Defamation cases are extremely hard to win, his chances are low.
 
Defamation cases are extremely hard to win, his chances are low.
But how?

She's been proven to have lied under oath in court on a quite a few things. How is this not damning for her?

EDIT: Oh well, the court of public opinion is very much on Depp's side and not the turd. If they keep that sack of shit in Aquaman 2 I'm not going to see it.
 
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