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[enzo_gt]

Jon Stewart is literally one of the most sane and funny men alive.

Knocks yet another one out of the park. Every single one of the O'Reilly vs. Stewart discussions have been incredible to watch.

I'm still in shock and awe at how poorly Fox did their research, framing fucking COMMON of all people as a cop killer advocate.

COMMON GODDAMNIT.

Oh and saying Common is controversial all day long should be an impeachable offense.

 

[Hawkian]

He really handled the PR job masterfully. This should have killed his career, but he made one statement about it, said he'd never talk about it again, and 7 years later it's nothing more than a footnote.

So true. Damn. Can you imagine if Jon Stewart had allegations of this kind leveled at him tomorrow? Sill think he'd have his show on Comedy Central every night at 11:00?

It's remarkable that his career not only survived but managed to flourish in the years after that. Good old Roger Ailes.

You know what went beyond making a well-intentioned-but-factually-unsupported point into straight-up lunatic territory? The whole "so he's got Reverend Wright, he's got Bill Ayers, now there's Common" bit of the interview. First of all, pretty good candidates for "three Americans who have as little to do with each other as possible" right there. Secondly- and Jon was trying to make this point but it got drowned a bit- why, why the fuck, would you think as a news-gathering organization that our president's former pastor, the guy who owned the house his campaign for Senate was announced from, and a rapper invited to a poetry jam at the White House... would be the three individuals most influential on the president?

 

[overcast]

Stewart comes out the winner in this argument.

 

[beelzebozo]

He's joking. That's a bit. They do it every time they interview each other. Jon is the intellectual elitist and Bill is the common man.

wait, that's actually funny then. nevermind. haha.

 

[Kai Dracon]

I can't believe people are still using "Jon Stewart is just a librul shill!" without giving recognition to one, tiny, teeny fact in the Daily Show vs Fox News.

The Daily Show is a joke.

Fox News is supposed to be for real.

Jon Stewart doesn't HAVE TO BE a good debater or interviewer to do his job. He needs to be a comedian, and anything else is a bonus.

Fox personalities on the other hand, are supposed to be actual "newsmen", thinkers, analysts, and serious hosts for serious issues.

The really salient point for the last, oh, ten years, has been that the comedy show is the leading source of countering one of the biggest legitimate news sources in America.

As for specific claims about Jon Stewart in this thread, it is disingenuous to claim he has worse manners than O'Reily in interviewing. In point of fact, Stewart is an amateur, though perhaps a talented one. He makes mistakes, such as sometimes - sometimes - talking over the other person a bit too long when he feels they're not getting what he's saying. Putting Stewart's errors in the same league as the stereotypical Fox host though? Those guys are built on affecting personas of ultimate self righteous arrogance, bleeding cartoonish patriotism, and shouting with anger at anyone who dares to utter BadFact in their presence. They behave like cavemen in a glass factory with regards to standards of dialog between rational people.

 

[Monocle]

I think John was on point in this interview. And more generally, I really enjoy the dynamic he has with Bill. They complement each other so well.

 

[Drewsky]

Is this video loading really slow for anyone else?

Edit: Got it working, he's destroying him.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Goddamn he ethered O'Reilly by bringing up Bono. You could tell by the look on Bill's face it just blew him away

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

You do realize that you are typing out something rational in response to a joke about the ICP, right? Right?

Nope.

Did you listen to the interview? He actually articulates O'Reilly's positions quite well, then explains why he disagrees.

I wasn't talking about this interview, I was just talking in general.

Respectfully, I disagree. The level of intensity matters greatly. You can't look at the two people in black and white terms. Bill O'Reily isn't disliked because he pushes his agenda, it's because he does it so aggressively, and isn't able to back much up.

You have to view everything in shades of grey. There's no such thing as perfection, especially in politics. Lesser of two evils, best of the worst, etc.

Cool

As for specific claims about Jon Stewart in this thread, it is disingenuous to claim he has worse manners than O'Reily in interviewing.

If you're referring to me I never said that.

 

[Hawkian]

I wasn't talking about this interview, I was just talking in general.

For what it's worth, that just means your argument was both wrong and irrelevant, as opposed to only wrong.

 

[Oblivion]

I'd just like to mention that Colbert did a fucking fantastic job with this dumbass tea party broad.

 

[overcast]

I actually really like when these 2 debate. Really fun to watch.

 

[Freshmaker]

Oh, so you're talking about having an opinion then? Cool. I don't just change my thoughts because several people disagree with me (although I will revise my opinion if their argument makes a lot of sense to me). For this stuff, though, it really is very opinion based.

Naturally it's opinion/agenda driven.

This makes it confusing when you say, "Don't listen to these people. They have agendas."

I also don't understand how you are capable of revising your opinion "if someone's argument makes sense" when you dismiss the stuff like the content of this interview out of hand. Doesn't sound like you're all that interested in diverging viewpoints from your own.

 

[Hawkian]

I'd just like to mention that Colbert did a fucking fantastic job with this dumbass tea party broad.

This will sound judgmental and contrived... but I was truly taken aback by how obviously stupid she was. That sounds horrible, but I honestly don't mean it in an insulting way. Some people are just not naturally intellectual and she is one of them. You could tell within minutes that she could barely grasp the basics of the policies she was supposedly passionate about; when Colbert offered her any hint of nuance she folded like a cheap card table. And she's not just a random Teabagger taken from the wings, she's... the spokesperson for one of their largest subgroups.

 

[neorej]

Naturally it's opinion/agenda driven.

This makes it confusing when you say, "Don't listen to these people. They have agendas."

I also don't understand how you are capable of revising your opinion "if someone's argument makes sense" when you dismiss the stuff like the content of this interview out of hand. Doesn't sound like you're all that interested in diverging viewpoints from your own.

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

Jon Stewart is literally one of the most sane and funny men alive.

Knocks yet another one out of the park. Every single one of the O'Reilly vs. Stewart discussions have been incredible to watch.

I'm still in shock and awe at how poorly Fox did their research, framing fucking COMMON of all people as a cop killer advocate.

COMMON GODDAMNIT.

Oh and saying Common is controversial all day long should be an impeachable offense.

They knew they were talking crap but they also knew it was crap their fan base would take to hart and ignore any corrections, so in a way the damage is done.

 

[Hawkian]

Damnit, I cannot stop watching 4:30-5:35. Some of the most satisfying audiovisual content I have ever seen.

Also,

 

[Sixfortyfive]

I could watch these two argue over barely-relevant minor culture war issues on a regular basis. Way more compelling than it should be.

 

[enzo_gt]

Damnit, I cannot stop watching 4:30-5:35. Some of the most satisfying audiovisual content I have ever seen.

Also,
http://i.imgur.com/GLrrP.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
BOO YAH

 

[Hawkian]

I could watch these two argue over barely-relevant minor culture war issues on a regular basis. Way more compelling than it should be.

Good god.

O'Reilly/Stewart

40 minutes a night, 4 nights a week. We'll be billionaires in 48 hours.

 

[Dyno]

I can't believe people are still using "Jon Stewart is just a librul shill!" without giving recognition to one, tiny, teeny fact in the Daily Show vs Fox News.

Yeah there's something the Bill/John equivelency force need to consider...

On his show Bill O'Reilly has sited magazines as sources... Magazines that later were proven NOT TO EXIST.

http://www.outfoxed.org/ (A great documentary that has a bunch of classic O'Reilly bits.)

When John gets caught making up his facts and their sources then we can put these two men in the same catagory. Until then, no, you're dead wrong. John still aspires to the truth, Bill has discarded it when necessary.

 

[y2dvd]

Great interview. Well, not so much an interview as much as it was arguing lol. Any other recommended vids to watch?

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

Great interview. Well, not so much an interview as much as it was arguing lol. Any other recommended vids to watch?

This isn't their first go at each other, the older vids should be online Dailyshow.com will have some.

 

[MisterNugNug]

He's a pretty sore loser, he can't and won't lose humbly. Which is no surprise and his justification is pretty bullshit.

 

[Zonar]

He's a pretty sore loser, he can't and won't lose humbly. Which is no surprise and his justification is pretty bullshit.

Wow

 

[Dreams-Visions]

The conspiracy. lol

 

[polyh3dron]

Jon Stewart is literally one of the most sane and funny men alive.

Knocks yet another one out of the park. Every single one of the O'Reilly vs. Stewart discussions have been incredible to watch.

I'm still in shock and awe at how poorly Fox did their research, framing fucking COMMON of all people as a cop killer advocate.

COMMON GODDAMNIT.

Oh and saying Common is controversial all day long should be an impeachable offense.

Fucking seriously.

These dumbfucks are talking about Common like he's Immortal Technique or some shit.

 

[Dyno]

He's a pretty sore loser, he can't and won't lose humbly. Which is no surprise and his justification is pretty bullshit.

You know John Stewart will have his fun with this. Watching tonight!

 

[Neuromancer]

"I like you as well. It saddens me to see you wasting your time"

LOLOLOLOL

 

[POWERSPHERE]

So funny. Man, ignorance is bliss hey.

 

[Neuromancer]

He's a pretty sore loser, he can't and won't lose humbly. Which is no surprise and his justification is pretty bullshit.

Well, you know, lots of folks think he won, Randy. But it's impossible to get an accurate tally, because some far-left Websites have intruded on our poll. I thought that might happen. It is entirely my fault. But the results are skewed. You know, they tell their Night of the Living Dead people -- uuggghhh, go -- you know, all of that.

For fuck's sake Bill, take it like a goddamn man

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Fucking seriously.

These dumbfucks are talking about Common like he's Immortal Technique or some shit.

I laughed when Stewart was like "He was in a RomCom with Queen Latifah...hes not the guy you think he is"

 

[tiff]

If a few far-left websites can manufacture a 58% swing with 72,000 voters then your fanbase kinda blows, Bill.

 

[Staccat0]

I think they have a good chemistry together

 

[tycoonheart]

I think they have a good chemistry together

Seriously.

I'm no fan of O'Reilly, but I'd love to see these two host a show together.

 

[(._.)]

Mad respect for both these guys. O'reily is hilarious sometimes. calls things how he sees them even if he is biased.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Seriously.

I'm no fan of O'Reilly, but I'd love to see these two host a show together.

uhhhhh no.

Mad respect for both these guys. O'reily is hilarious sometimes. calls things how he sees them even if he is biased.

why does O'Rilley get "respect"? For allowing someone on his show to call him on his bullshit?

Sorry, that's not deserving of respect. I'd respect him if he didn't spout bullshit in the first place.

 

[LosDaddie]

I'm no fan of O'Reilly, but I'd love to see these two host a show together.

Terrible idea. Doing so would automatically give credence to any position Bill O. would take, no matter how wrong it is (as is the case where with COMMON being a guest at the WH).

 

[Princess Carl]

uhhhhh no.


why does O'Rilley get "respect"? For allowing someone on his show to call him on his bullshit?

Sorry, that's not deserving of respect. I'd respect him if he didn't spout bullshit in the first place.

Yea thats not something O'Reiley gets "respect" for. The hell you talking about?

 

[Vilam]

Again with the false equivalency. Jon is nowhere near the level of pretty much anyone on Fox News.

lol right, your take on it isn't biased at all.

 

[Ken Masters]

such a snoozer of an interview

 

[Rentahamster]

I'm no fan of O'Reilly, but I'd love to see these two host a show together.

I'd rather not. Just do another interview once every two months or so.

 

[reilo]

I laughed when Stewart was like "He was in a RomCom with Queen Latifah...hes not the guy you think he is"

As an addendum to "where was the outrage over Bono?" point that Jon made, on the Daily Show he presented an even bigger "what the fuck assholes?" point. He pulled a video of Sean Hannity defending Ted Nugent after Nugent told Obama to "suck on the end of one of these" (referring to a rifle he had up on stage) and to "pull the trigger". Nugent didn't stop there: "Hillary, you should ride one of these you dumb bitch." You know what Sean Hannity's reply was, and how defended Nugent for what he said? "He's my friend."

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-11-2011/tone-def-poetry-jam---lyrics-controversy

 

[Hawkian]

He does actually reference Nugent in the interview. The hypocrisy comes from so many angles on this one it's hard to keep track.

Whoaaa... just saw the edited version as it appeared on the O'Reilly Factor. There is some pretty despicable and shady stuff here. The entire bit regarding Jon's use of "analogous" was cut, for example.

 

[Your Excellency]

He does actually reference Nugent in the interview. The hypocrisy comes from so many angles on this one it's hard to keep track.

Whoaaa... just saw the edited version as it appeared on the O'Reilly Factor. There is some pretty despicable and shady stuff here. The entire bit regarding Jon's use of "analogous" was cut, for example.

I checked, they left the evisceration in, so it's all good.

I absolutely loved this interview, and the Bono moment was magical. Disneyland shit.

 

[Hawkian]

I checked, they left the evisceration in, so it's all good.

I absolutely loved this interview, and the Bono moment was magical. Disneyland shit.

Well, without removing the interview they didn't have much choice there.

(from O'Reilly's own poll)

 

[Plumbob]

lol right, your take on it isn't biased at all.

I don't think it's truly appropriate to discuss bias in terms of left or right. If the facts agree with the conservative (or liberal) point of view, people like Stewart or news organizations shouldn't selectively present the facts in order to make it look like the two sides have equally valid points. Instead, bias should be measured by deliberate distortion or falsehood.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfD_oq7N5X4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K2pLo8JV5Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t05O3U_G_N4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XdiyggYgPM

I have yet to see the same systematic forwarding of falsehoods from Jon Stewart. He may have an opinion, but that doesn't make him in-credible.