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Phoenixazure
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Before I give my thoughts. I'd like to introduce myself a bit. Avid gamer and head to Neogaf for the news and stuff, but its most enjoyed when watching Raw and reading the reactions from everyone here, so I think it's only fair to start my neogaf career here. Hi!
Seeing CM Punk's promo really scratched the smark in me. Most importantly though, friends who I hang out with who never talk wrestling other than Randy Savage started talking a bit about CM Punk. I don't know what it'll do for punk in the long run, but it'll def. spike some interest in WWE itself in the short term.
Seeing CM Punk's promo really scratched the smark in me. Most importantly though, friends who I hang out with who never talk wrestling other than Randy Savage started talking a bit about CM Punk. I don't know what it'll do for punk in the long run, but it'll def. spike some interest in WWE itself in the short term.
JdFoX187 said:
Nope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap3jhJcOqmQ
They did do a similar storyline with Torrie and Tajiri though.
edit: Can't find the toyota bit. But it was part of the Kenzo loving the US arc and hey vintage Cena homosexual jokes. Someone contact GLAAD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rcZRZud7SY
Dork Knight
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Kyoufu said:
Did you listen to the podcast with former WWE writers? A lot of them are 100% convinced Punk is resigning based on the fact that there's no way they'd give him free reign to shit all over everyone in charge in the WWE if it didn't eventually lead to making money (outside a random PPV, of course).
Makes sense if you think about it that way.
So I believe Punk is trolling you. Haha!
Dork Knight said:
If he stays after MitB, then I'll be getting Punk'd.
I did listen to them, but others in the company have been allowed to do shoots before leaving.
CM Punk probably managed to convince Vince to let him say those things to sell MitB PPVs. That's it. Why would Punk re-sign when he's not in the main event of WM28? Why would he re-sign when Cena is going to be champion for an entire year? On the Colt Cabana podcast, he mentioned that Punk has been saying the same things for years and that he is clearly unhappy. Why stay?
edit: Also, I blame The Rock for all of this. If he hadn't have came back to promote himself in an industry he hasn't been in for 7 years, we wouldn't have had Vince's ass kissed so much that a TITLE match was booked for a whole fucking year. Jesus.
And they wonder why their PPV buys are at an all time low. lol
cartoon_soldier
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I still think Punk will leave, only the leaving is amicable and like Jericho leaving the first time he will come back at some point. There would be no other way that VKM would let him do what he is doing.
Maybe he just wants to take some time off.
Remember, from everything we have heard, Punk's main issues with contract renewal were rights to his name, he wanted to keep them WWE wanted otherwise.
Maybe he just wants to take some time off.
Remember, from everything we have heard, Punk's main issues with contract renewal were rights to his name, he wanted to keep them WWE wanted otherwise.
spindashing
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This.cartoon_soldier said:
Whatever the case may be, set yourself up for dissapointment. In reality fantasy booking can only go so far.
So what if he does resign a contract? I'm assuming you're a CM Punk fan and you eat your CM Punk cheerios in your CM Punk jammies. Cena and Punk will feud for awhile and then CM Punk will return to the mid card eventually. I think the same thing is happening to R-Truth. Then we'll complain about CM Punk's status. Then we'll complain about complaining about CM Punk's status. Then we'll complain about something else...
Edit: Jimmy Yang was the star of that match. Bentley did nothing and Low-Ki was only there to be the face that everyone likes. Outside of the Warriors Way and a few other moves he wasn't all that spectacular.
British Monsoon
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Awesome double team variation of the Canadian Destroyer from that K-DOJO main event I posted on the previous page;
Net_Wrecker
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RBH said:
So sick. That's a GREAT angle as well.
spindashing
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Bootaaay said:
x Power Pad Death Stomp x
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meppi said:
No way, brother. People want to see Abyss, he's like TNAs John Cena.
Seraphis Cain
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That Jimmy Yang dive over the top easily beats out anything Sin Cara has done thus far in WWE. Absolutely amazing. If TNA had even one match a week the caliber of that match, I'd watch. For real.
I read that in Hogan's voice. Then got depressed.
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
I read that in Hogan's voice. Then got depressed.
At least Punk makes the product enjoyable, to a certain degree. If he leaves, then that's just one less reason to watch Raw, and there's already very few anyway. I have no doubt Punk is "leaving" for a while, but more along the lines of Jericho's departure. He'll come back after he's rested. I imagine he's signed a contract by now, but part of that is going to involve giving him some time off.spindashing said:
Hopefully Alberto Del Rio can save us from Cena. He's our only savior.
At least TNA was smart and put a group of guys in the ring that could work well with each other and let them do their own thing. WWE tries to shoehorn all of its wrestlers into the same style and it fails miserably.Seraphis Cain said:
spindashing
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CM Punk has said nothing about taking a sabbatical or anything of the nature, though. While it would be good to think that he would be back after taking a vacation, we can't assume something like that just yet. He isn't Jericho.
I won't argue that CM Punk is not making things interesting. Hell, I have people who've stopped watching wrestling years ago on my facebook linking to the CM Punk promo saying things like, "This is the way to step up to management." I had to stop myself several times from hitting the "post" button to reply.
And lol, as far as TNA goes, only Kaval out of those 3 would get a contract due to the stipulation of that match. Bentley's out of form, and I'm not sure if TNA realizes Jimmy Yang is gold in the ring.
TNA's X-Division is usually solid. Things like that really make me miss the Cruiserweight division in the WWE, but alas, walking steroids are the way to go.
I would love TNA so much more if they didn't try so hard. From the more "realistic/dramatic" camera shots in promos backstage to the name change to Impact Wrestling...
I won't argue that CM Punk is not making things interesting. Hell, I have people who've stopped watching wrestling years ago on my facebook linking to the CM Punk promo saying things like, "This is the way to step up to management." I had to stop myself several times from hitting the "post" button to reply.
And lol, as far as TNA goes, only Kaval out of those 3 would get a contract due to the stipulation of that match. Bentley's out of form, and I'm not sure if TNA realizes Jimmy Yang is gold in the ring.
TNA's X-Division is usually solid. Things like that really make me miss the Cruiserweight division in the WWE, but alas, walking steroids are the way to go.
I would love TNA so much more if they didn't try so hard. From the more "realistic/dramatic" camera shots in promos backstage to the name change to Impact Wrestling...
Net_Wrecker
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spindashing said:
TNA is in the position to be the more in-ring based, spontaneous, grounded, fast paced, young, fresh company, but they insist on being WCW 2.0 and blowing their budget on crap. I'm baffled to how they consistently rely on guys like Sting, Hogan, Jarret, Bischoff, and Flair to move angles along when they've got a gold mine of young talent at their disposal and are in position to have guys come in on a free agent basis when needed.
Watching RAW right Now, Del Rio had a good match with r-truh and Mysterio
Also i was happy to see the Zack Ryder segment air on TV
Overall it was an enterteaining Raw, and i Hope Ryder and the major broski, go for the tag champions,
Its not over yet, theres still some Mcmahon-Cena Thing next
Also i was happy to see the Zack Ryder segment air on TV
Overall it was an enterteaining Raw, and i Hope Ryder and the major broski, go for the tag champions,
Its not over yet, theres still some Mcmahon-Cena Thing next
BoboBrazil
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WWE trademarked CM Punk's name for merchandise just a few days ago, so looks like he resigned.
spindashing
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Yikes. I hoped that CM Punk would get to keep his name himself. Doesn't look good if there is truly a fall out between WWE and CM Punk now or in the future. CM Punk not being called CM Punk is a travesty.BoboBrazil said:
From Chicago, Illinois ... PHIL BROOKS!
Tenay: Phil Brooks is a new star in TNA today, bringing a fighting style that we've never seen before! Muay Thai like kicks, Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu like grappling and the agility of a boxer! And get this Taz, he's Straight-Edge! That's right, he doesn't smoke, drink or do any sort of drugs!
Taz: LET THE PIGEONS LOOSE.
Tenay: ...
Taz: ...
Shadowlink
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They could always change his name to the Amazing Punk.spindashing said:
Kccitystar
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Bryan1321 said:
Is there a link somewhere?
spindashing
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All jokes aside, I can see them trademarking "Straight Edge Superstar." Or "Straight Edge Society."UberTag said:At least the WWE can't trademark "straight-edge".
Or can they?
Huh. That's odd. Or maybe it isn't; I'm not completely familiar with how trademarks work in that case.RBH said:
worldrunover
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spindashing said:
I have to take issue with this. The WWE, for all its faults, manages to find the next big superstars that really become their cash cows. If Punk can maintain the momentum he's built up for the next few weeks and really becomes the supervillian he's capable of, I think the WWE would recognize that and make him a marquee name. The WWE is more into the business of making money than anything else. If Punk can be a main draw, the WWE will keep him there.
And I know he wasn't properly booked for the past year or so, but in all honesty he has had very high profile feuds. He hasn't been a mid carder for years now. He just fought the second biggest face in the company at Wrestlemania.
spindashing
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I'm not arguing he hasn't been in high profile feuds. I'm actually happy about Punk's status over the last few months. I was more or less predicting how things will go down in the future in this thread and in the eyes of other "high brow" wrestling fans.worldrunover said:
As a business decision, it makes a lot of sense: If something is making you money, you should keep it. I'll withhold any opinions until I see things actually happen. Rampant speculation isn't something I honestly like.
worldrunover
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I think the WWE knows when they have someone who has "it". I think they can figure out the guy who will relate to the fans and really get them out there spending the cash. They think Miz has "it". Probably Del Rio too. I'm sure there are a few younger guys as well. I think despite themselves they realize Punk is one of those guys.
My point is I think IF Punk stays he will be treated as an "it" guy and get marketed as such. I don't think you'll see the SES / Nexus Punk we've come accustom to the last year or so.
My point is I think IF Punk stays he will be treated as an "it" guy and get marketed as such. I don't think you'll see the SES / Nexus Punk we've come accustom to the last year or so.
BoboBrazil
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WWE is too scared to actually let a guy get over now. They give a guy a push and then cut his wings off after a few months and job him out for months after in the midcard. It is a process designed for failure.
spindashing
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I'm going to have to agree with Bobo.worldrunover said:
Prime examples would be Del Rio and the Miz. Both stars were propelled to the moon but took a nose dive to the mid card. Wade Barrett suffered from this, and as stated before I fear R-Truth is going to go through the same thing if CM Punk vs. Cena happens.
We need more people at the main event scene.
worldrunover
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My uninformed opinion is that they try different strategies. Last year it was all about the young guys getting monster pushes: Sheamus, McIntyre, Swagger, Miz, Barrett, Del Rio, and Ziggler to some extent. Besides Sheamus and Del Rio none of them really caught on (I guess you could argue the Miz was successful as well), so they had to knock them back down and give them more seasoning.
This year it really seems they're making a concerted effort to get veterans into the scene to see if their experience and savvy can create the juice they're looking for. It starts with Kane winning the WHC last year and has really picked up this year with Christian, Truth, and Henry all getting big time pushes. Personally I think that strategy has been more successful. Maybe it's because they all changed their characters and became fresh to us for the first time in years.
This year it really seems they're making a concerted effort to get veterans into the scene to see if their experience and savvy can create the juice they're looking for. It starts with Kane winning the WHC last year and has really picked up this year with Christian, Truth, and Henry all getting big time pushes. Personally I think that strategy has been more successful. Maybe it's because they all changed their characters and became fresh to us for the first time in years.
BoboBrazil
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worldrunover said:
Henry and Christian are being used as job boys for Orton and for the fact that they have noone else to push on that brand. Truth got a push because Morrison was hurt and Cena needed a stop gap guy to job to him before Del Rio at Summerslam. Let's see where all of these guys are in a few months.
Net_Wrecker
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worldrunover said:
R-Truth, Mark Henry, CM Punk, and Christian being able create "juice" is from nothing the WWE has done, and THAT'S the problem. Those guys are already talented, and the only difference is that they've been handed the ball somewhat. We knew Christian was capable in 2005. We knew R-Truth was capable from his Ron Killings heel run. The audience had no idea, but listening to the podcasts, it's very clear that most people on the "inside" knew Mark Henry had this in him. And CM Punk has shown his cards since 2003. The WWE's problem is that the guys who need help and can't do it all on their own aren't put into positions that accentuate their strengths. They seem to have forgotten how to HELP get guys over, and are now just relying on people that can do it themselves.
That plus having no midcard feuds, and no tag division means that most guys flounder in meaningless matches until creatives decides to attempt something with them.
Jeff Albertson
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Can't wait to see Punk defend the WWE title against Necro Butcher at Rise of the Juggalos.
spindashing
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This made me laugh way more than it should have.Jeff Albertson said:
Black Republican
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anyone else feel christian's heel run is a little underwhelming? maybe orton wasnt the best person to help himself turn heel
Net_Wrecker
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Black Republican said:
Don't react so quickly, it's all part of a bigger storyline. Wait for that 6 month payoff.
At least we've gotten like three 4 Star Matches so far.
BoboBrazil
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Black Republican said:
Nobody wanted him as a heel. The face run with his best friend retiring should have lasted much longer and WWE goes and does what noone is asking for. Yet, John Cena, which people have been saying should go heel for the last two years, and gets Cena sucks chants at every event, does not get the heel turn. Another problem with WWE.
BoboBrazil said:
Christian was probably going to turn on Edge but him retiring quickly changed that whole angle to what it is today. While I would like Cena turning heel he would have to change it up because he can't do his old heel character in the new WWE atmosphere.
Also, he will never be a heel because the people that like him are childeren and women who buy up all his stuff. This in turns makes a heel turn unlikely to ever happen.
spindashing
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Snoop Dogg will be the ring announcer.RBH said:
BoboBrazil said:
When people chant Cena Sucks it is still essentially people chanting for Cena. How many times do you hear "Lets Go Cena, Cena Sucks" chants and not "Lets Go Cena, Lets Go Other Guy" chants? Only time I can think of it in recent history was Punk. When you basically have the whole arena chanting Cena's name and not the guy he's facing they think Cena's the only one over in the match.
BoboBrazil
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djsandman said:
He is the only one in the match most of the time, because people know he isn't going to lose. Why cheer for anyone facing him when they know he won't win? Also WWE needs to realize that things are only going to get worse putting on a PG product. Yeah, you might get Big Jimmy to buy Lil Jimmy a t-shirt, but they don't buy the ppvs for their kids as evidenced by the downward spiral of ppv buys. Watching those clips above makes me realize how much better they adult themed product was.
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