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Net_Wrecker said:
He doesn't need to be heel. He needs to be an angry bastard that beats people up and makes em tap like dey some bytches.

But of course they make him a nerd who doesn't watch birds in the park and doesn't eat squash or w/e.
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He doesn't even own a nerd, what a TV.
 
Even if the attitude era was cheesy, it was more enjoyable than the era we have today. I blame the WWE creative team for making it shit. I agree with those who say that we shouldn't blame it being PG, but we haven't had matches such as TLC, Street Fights in the parking lot. Should we blame the creative writing, or the WWE being PG? I'd blame Vince like usual, but I'm not too sure who decides what matches the wrestlers have.
 
sf2fanatic said:
That was freakin gross. I remember that....
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Damn thank god ive never seen that segment

But totally agree, stupid and pointless for a Wrestling Program

One thing is gettin Taker Buried one more time, but a hand... again DAMN
 
Kyoufu said:
Got a feeling CM Punk is going to GTS Vince tonight to set up the screwjob on Sunday.
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can it really be a true screwjob, though? The Montreal screwjob was a legitimate screwing over of Brett Hart by Vince. Punk will be in on everything going on......... i hope
 
goldlion054 said:
can it really be a true screwjob, though? The Montreal screwjob was a legitimate screwing over of Brett Hart by Vince. Punk will be in on everything going on......... i hope
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Of course he's in on everything. If this fantasy booking screwjob happens it won't truly be a screwjob.
 
DMczaf said:
It's weird that wwe.com isn't even promoting Raw tonight.
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All of a sudden those backstage stories of shows not being finalized until about 5 minutes before start time because Vince has indecision moments have lunged to mind.
 
Nocturnowl said:
All of a sudden those backstage stories of shows not being finalized until about 5 minutes before start time because Vince has indecision moments have lunged to mind.
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I honestly hope this is the case and that Punk's promo went over bigger than they expected. I mean if they know they're playing with dynamite it means there's a (slight) chance we'll get something better than "Cena wins lol"
 
Shadowlink said:
Even if the attitude era was cheesy, it was more enjoyable than the era we have today. I blame the WWE creative team for making it shit. I agree with those who say that we shouldn't blame it being PG, but we haven't had matches such as TLC, Street Fights in the parking lot. Should we blame the creative writing, or the WWE being PG? I'd blame Vince like usual, but I'm not too sure who decides what matches the wrestlers have.
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I've been a longtime wrestling fan, not as much anymore, but I'll tell you exactly why WWE is in the shape it is in right now. It's the complete lack of importance placed on ANYTHING that goes on. Nothing is built properly, so who cares what happens? It's a PG traveling tour. You plunk down your money or turn on the TV, see Cena do his thing, Rey do his thing, and call it a day. That's why I laugh at people getting upset at who 'goes over.' Who gives a shit? Whether this guy or that guy has the belt doesn't change anything, because nothing is important.

I'll break down the 4 reasons what makes wrestling exciting and give an example off the top of my head:

1) Big match feel - Basically irrelevant nowadays, because partially nothing except who Undertaker's Wrestlemania match has a big match feel in WWE anymore. And that's an auto big match feel on the basis of history and little else. 80's era WWF did this great, obviously. You mentioned the Attitude era, hell, it did it fairly great, even though it was a lot of weird matches - the undercard was given a lot of focus - undercard wrestlers has actual REAL plots and feuds. Not anymore. Paul Heyman was a MASTER of this in ECW. Practically every guy on the roster, even after constantly getting the roster depleted, he made seem important in their own way and want to see a match. And even though RVD got hurt and Taz eventually left, he was building to a supermatch between RVD and Taz for a long, long time. And when those guys weren't around, he made two random guys out of nowhere, Mike Awesome and Masato Tanaka, seem like an epic feud. In today's WWE, who gives a shit what happens in any match? None of it has any importance placed on it.

2) Out of ring buildup - This ties into what makes up a big match feel - having the sizzle to go along with the feud. There is no sizzle in any feud in WWE anymore. We get the same tired wash and repeat stuff of weekly shows with someone interfering and costing a match to their opponent and them talking about it. Wow, so entertaining. When's the last time, outside of Punk's recent promo, anything exciting you would remember happened outside of the ring for a building? Basically .. nothing. You can compare this to any era of wrestling that was good, obviously the Attitude era had a ton of out ring stuff, things like Austin throwing the IC title off the bridge, or doing random crap throughout that era, or even WWF era things like the Mega Powers colliding. The had something decent with the start of Nexus last year that quickly fizzled out, and it became nothing more than the typical interference/beatdown dog and pony show buildups now are today. Cena overcomes the odds one week, the next he gets beat up, then the PPV.

3) In ring buildup - Self explanatory, and doesn't happen much in today's WWE - where basically the strength of great matches carry a feud. Not many great wrestlers anymore and not many feuds over recent years I can even recall being an awesome in ring feud where you would want to watch the matches again.

4) Clash of personalities - Another major thing lacking in WWE - the personalities of 90% of the roster are horrible, generic crap - or some gimmick that was once thought funny, then ran into the ground over and over again until its for horribly unfunny attempt at humor segments. Who can really tell between guys like Ziggler, Kofi, Danielson, Bourne, Sheamus, etc? They're all generic personalities no one cares about because they've never been involved in anything interesting, so why should anyone care? It's basically like pre Attitude era WWF in the opposite direction. Instead of outlandish cartoon gimmicks you have generic create a wrestler type personalities. Maybe the biggest thing that separates the Attitude era and old school ECW - where everyone had a distinct personality - and you even rooted or cared about the low level guys of the organization, like the bWo or X-Pac, and stuff like the European title that went along with it.

There's my rant for the day. I listed the 4 things that make wrestling good, and WWE rarely hits on a single one of these in a feud all year long, that's why no one cares, why its boring, and why nothing matters.
 
Okay, I finally figured it out. I started watching wrestling sometime between In Your House 15: A Cold Day in Hell and Survivor Series 1997. So sometime between May and June 1997. Now I know when to watch the stream to try and catch the first episode of Raw I ever saw. Awesome. :D
 
Regarding the stream:

This is when the WWF started coming back. Bret returning to feud with Austin fanned the flames for the Attitude Era.
 
On a recent Observer radio Meltzer said something pretty interesting. A major point in WWE turning business around and one not many people talk about, is them dropping the In Your House PPVs and having them as full price shows instead. Not only did they make more money because of the increased price but more people actually bought them since they now seemed more important.
 
My return to watching Attitude-era wrestling was the Hogan/Sting Starrcade (97?), so watching this stream covering the time before all of that has been interesting. I've only seen some of this stuff in heavily-edited WWE clips.
 
The smartest thing that the WWE could do is have Punk leave Cena face lying in the ring tonight to close the show, and do so without any stupid run ins or other typical garbage.
Have Cena get Punk'ed out in his home town (you like that?) and it will be heated.
 
DKehoe said:
On a recent Observer radio Meltzer said something pretty interesting. A major point in WWE turning business around and one not many people talk about, is them dropping the In Your House PPVs and having them as full price shows instead. Not only did they make more money because of the increased price but more people actually bought them since they now seemed more important.
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Well times have changed now, and they really need to scale back IMO. If they reduced their PPV schedule to maybe 6 - 8 of them per year, and made them $10-15 cheaper, I think they would see buyrates increase a lot. Minimize the amount of contact the guys in the feud have before the PPV, and people will be dying to see them fight by the time the PPV comes along. For them to continue charging these crazy prices every 3-4 weeks for shows that nobody wants to see is insane, especially since they're marketing to CHILDREN who can't afford them.
 
Hex said:
The smartest thing that the WWE could do is have Punk leave Cena face lying in the ring tonight to close the show, and do so without any stupid run ins or other typical garbage.
Have Cena get Punk'ed out in his home town (you like that?) and it will be heated.
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probably something like that.


Yeah I suspect they will end with punk standing over Cena after a beat down or something.

Gotta make it look like he could beat Cena so the little Jimmy's Boo him more.


Tonight's raw should be fun.

More Punk. will Del Rio be put in the match and make it a 3 way? Will Zack Ryder show up again?
 
sf2fanatic said:
LOL@ Austin's face...Worth a gif on that...LOL
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They should incorporate an angle for the Nexus tonight. I mean they know he is leaving, and they have that stable of guys just not reacting to their leader departing. Should at least tie that loose end up before Punk departs
 
IsayFever said:
They should incorporate an angle for the Nexus tonight. I mean they know he is leaving, and they have that stable of guys just not reacting to their leader departing. Should at least tie that loose end up before Punk departs
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What's a Nexus.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Well times have changed now, and they really need to scale back IMO. If they reduced their PPV schedule to maybe 6 - 8 of them per year, and made them $10-15 cheaper, I think they would see buyrates increase a lot. Minimize the amount of contact the guys in the feud have before the PPV, and people will be dying to see them fight by the time the PPV comes along. For them to continue charging these crazy prices every 3-4 weeks for shows that nobody wants to see is insane, especially since they're marketing to CHILDREN who can't afford that.
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Absolutely, I think they really need to make the PPVs more meaningful. The best way to do that is make them happen less often and give themselves more time to build up to them instead of having to rush through the build up. Would also mean you wouldn't have the same match ups on 3 or 4 shows back to back. The amount they have now is really just a hold over from WCW increasing the number they had. With WWE as the only (major) company going they don't need to keep that up.
 
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