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[DMczaf]

The Anaconda Vice became one of the things that the agents picked on Punk for. Vince had mocked Punk in meetings by doing the wrist gesture and even instructed announcers to NOT mention his Muai Thai background. Everything that made Punk unique was questioned and mocked. “Don’t think people can relate to with a character who doesn’t have an occasional beer”, said one agent.

Well submissions can't be as brutal looking as the Full Nelson or Cena's version of the STF.

 

[jmdajr]

Well submissions can't be as brutal looking as the Full Nelson or Cena's version of the STF.

armbar!

 

[Plinko]

Well submissions can't be as brutal looking as the Full Nelson or Cena's version of the STF.

Further proof that Vince and the writers have absolutely NO CLUE when it comes to wrestling.

 

[MetalFearSolid]

Further proof that Vince and the writers have absolutely NO CLUE when it comes to wrestling.

This..10x

 

[Bowser]

The episode of 7/22 of WWE Smackdown drew a 1.89 cable rating with 2.8 million viewers. This number is up from last week's 1.72 rating and is the highest rating for Smackdown since May.

Christian = ratings

 

[Plywood]

Punk is awesome! That kid already figured out how Cena was going to win the title too lol

When a kid can predict your horrible booking you've reached anime levels of predictable.

 

[DMczaf]

Christian = ratings

The most annoying part about this is that any one else other than Cena or Orton that got those shitty ratings would get a crazy backlash from the writers and Vince. Here we are clinging to every Raw rating during Punk's turn, and heres Orton bombing Smackdown after Smackdown with no worries in the world.

 

[Shadowlink]

When a kid can predict your horrible booking you've reached anime levels of predictable.

Vince and the creative team better have seen that clip, or we'll be getting more of that.

 

[The Antitype]

Compare it to Orton.

Orton - Heel. Bad guy. Kills legends.
- Heel. Bad guy. No more legends, kills faces, wants title.
- Sadistic heel. No more faces, kills families (admittedly, kind of cool, and the anti-authority thing they first pushed for, but Orton is not Austin even though they want him to be).
- Heel. Leads stable of next generation, like he was in. Historical heel?
- Face because his finisher is cool and his excited mannerisms weren't that heelish.
- Face that just wants the title and is super corny other than some of his mannerisms and his flash finisher.

Does Orton even have shirts? I think they're ones with snakes on them. I think. They probably are. He probably doesn't even care what it looks like. His look has gone from long curly hair to short hair to bald to horrible looking beard? Nothing drastic and nothing of character importance. His wife probably just likes his shitty beard.

You're over-simplifying. Orton had a fair bit of character depth and adaptation over time. He also had long periods of stalling out though, that's true. I can go into detail if you want.

Orton turned face because the crowd refused to boo him. That's not a character evolution. An attempt at character evolution is what's stalled Orton out.

If he had kept being the psychotic, vicious heel, and just not limited himself to hurting faces, then he would still be as insanely over now as he was during the peak/end of his heel run.

And the snake thing started when Orton started getting called the Viper and apex predator. His first batch of shirts had kind of a weird/creepy vibe with gasmasks, veins and roots. Nothing that really made sense, but interesting.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

When a kid can predict your horrible booking you've reached anime levels of predictable.

Aye, that's what I thought too.

 

[spindashing]

When a kid can predict your horrible booking you've reached anime levels of predictable.

Don't bite the bait, don't bite the bait, don't bite the bait.

 

[dream]

Where does this idea that "Scott Hall has a brilliant mind for the business" come from? When has he ever demonstrated that?

Is it just lip service people give to drug addicts? Cause everyone always says that about Jake Roberts and Raven too.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Punk t-shirts are up. Bit confused about the wwe size chart though.

I'm just about a medium here, but I have no idea what the wwe size chart is using for their measurements. Anyone ordered from them before & know?

 

[MetalFearSolid]

The most annoying part about this is that any one else other than Cena or Orton that got those shitty ratings would get a crazy backlash from the writers and Vince. Here we are clinging to every Raw rating during Punk's turn, and heres Orton bombing Smackdown after Smackdown with no worries in the world.

So that is why Swagger got reduced to a jobber..

 

[Parallax]

Don't bite the bait, don't bite the bait, don't bite the bait.

you already took a bite spin. might as well eat the whole thing now.

 

[Arrowgigantic]

Bit confused about the wwe size chart though.

It tells you right up at the top what each part means. Punk's shirt is an "Authentic", so its measurements are right at the top of the list.

 

[Linkhero1]

You can't see me. My time is now!

It's all about hustle, royalty and respect!

I'm out bitches!

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

It tells you right up at the top what each part means. Punk's shirt is an "Authentic", so its measurements are right at the top of the list.

Yeah, I made a moronic mistake and thought the chest measurement was a wrap around.

me no read good

 

[spindashing]

you already took a bite spin. might as well eat the whole thing now.

I'll keep quiet. After all...

Also:

Tyler Reks, who has portrayed a sinister heel character since debuting last October on the SmackDown brand, was among the numerous babyfaces celebrating Rey Mysterio's WWE Championship celebration last night on Raw. To add further confusion, he performed as both a babyface and heel at this past weekend's live events.

Hahaha.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

That was so good. The kid has already figured out WWE booking, too, apparently.

Can you imagine if you asked a six year-old kid to plot any random wrestler's road to the Impact title?

LOL

 

[Nocturnowl]

You can't see me. My time is now!

It's all about hustle, royalty and respect!

I'm out bitches!

Royalty you say? Cena to win King Of the Ring when it next crops up, he needs more accolades and t shirts!
And now I've remembered King Sheamus, what an absolute waste.

 

[the_geche]

Where does this idea that "Scott Hall has a brilliant mind for the business" come from? When has he ever demonstrated that?

Is it just lip service people give to drug addicts? Cause everyone always says that about Jake Roberts and Raven too.

I have seen a drunk Scott hall give a great finish to a match to two young guys at this indy show in WVA a couple years back. Dude really has a great mind for what works...

 

[FyreWulff]

Where does this idea that "Scott Hall has a brilliant mind for the business" come from? When has he ever demonstrated that?

Is it just lip service people give to drug addicts? Cause everyone always says that about Jake Roberts and Raven too.

Hall is the one that came up with the Crow Sting gimmick.

It isn't lip service to drug addicts. He still wasted a bunch of potential being drunk off his ass most of the time.

 

[dream]

I guess my thing is I just don't think sports entertainment is hard to book. We have 50 years of history to draw on when it comes to what works and what doesn't work.

 

[bangai-o]

Christian can't be Orton cleanly.. that is what pisses me off...The feud is going no where..Because of Super Orton

cant your guys think up better names than super-orton, super-cena, super-rey?

 

[Perspicacity]

I'll keep quiet. After all...
http://www.heisanevilgenius.com/wackywiki/images/d/d3/Castlevania2_2.png
Also:

Hahaha.

I thought Tyler Reks was FE'd after he went crazy and tried to steal an airplane?

 

[HarryDemeanor]

cant your guys think up better names than super-orton, super-cena, super-rey?

Ultra Orton, Ultra Rey, and Ultra Cena.

 

[Charmicarmicat]

Where does this idea that "Scott Hall has a brilliant mind for the business" come from? When has he ever demonstrated that?

Is it just lip service people give to drug addicts? Cause everyone always says that about Jake Roberts and Raven too.

Go watch some of Raven's shoot interviews. Nothing to do with anything in his personal life, the man has a stunning aptitude for wrestling psychology.

 

[Nocturnowl]

cant your guys think up better names than super-orton, super-cena, super-rey?

Super Cena
Hyper Orton?
Mysterio Man?

 

[Toki767]

At least no one's calling Rey the Magic Man.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Ultra Orton, Ultra Rey, and Ultra Cena.

OrtonCube, ReyCube, CenaCube

Spoiler

DaveyBoyAdvance

 

[DMczaf]

At least no one's calling Rey the Magic Man.

Everyone calls him The Magic Man.

 

[lupinko]

Hall is the one that came up with the Crow Sting gimmick.

It isn't lip service to drug addicts. He still wasted a bunch of potential being drunk off his ass most of the time.

Hall? I thought it was Nash, well at least that's what is normally thrown about.

 

[UberTag]

Punk t-shirts are up. Bit confused about the wwe size chart though.

I'm just about a medium here, but I have no idea what the wwe size chart is using for their measurements. Anyone ordered from them before & know?

I'm typically an XL with most T-Shirts and the Zack Ryder shirt I ordered is a tad on the smallish size. I would order the next size up from what you would normally buy in stores.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

I guess my thing is I just don't think sports entertainment is hard to book. We have 50 years of history to draw on when it comes to what works and what doesn't work.

Look at the current state of the WWE and TNA, and tell THEM it isn't hard to book cause they're having a hell of a time working stuff out. A 6 year old on Jimmy Kimmel just called match for match exactly what happened last night with Cena/Rey.

And have you never seen Raven's shoot promos? People aren't talking out of their ass when they mention his "mind for the business."

 

[dream]

That's because they overthink everything. UFC proves that simple booking works. One guy has a beef with another guy and now they're gonna fight -- that draws money.

 

[TheNatural]

Look at the current state of the WWE and TNA, and tell THEM it isn't hard to book cause they're having a hell of a time working stuff out. A 6 year old on Jimmy Kimmel just called match for match exactly what happened last night with Cena/Rey.

And have you never seen Raven's shoot promos? People aren't talking out of their ass when they mention his "mind for the business."

The problem is, they hire soap opera writers with little to know wrestling experience, and have no idea what does and doesn't work. All you have to do to figure out how to make a hot feud is go download a torrent of Attitude or ECW era wrestling and see how into the crowd was for those buildups. Or better yet, if Heyman ran things, it would have been the easiest solution of all.

 

[IsayFever]

Hm so the new cm punk shirt in small is still going to be a bit loose. where the hell is the form fitting!

 

[bangai-o]

That's because they overthink everything. UFC proves that simple booking works. One guy has a beef with another guy and now they're gonna fight -- that draws money.

i thought ufc no longer does beef fights for years now.

 

[funkystudent]

I think I liked last nights raw.


Stuff actually happened which in a improvement over last week.

it was entertaining. JR is back. Ryder was there. the matches where not bad.

Only problem (like most people) was Cena winning the fucking title again so quick.

They could have easily put that off a week.... I guess they wanted to jump back into Punk Vs Cena as soon as they could but they should have had the Cena rey title match with the same finish next week. Have Cena challenge Rey this week.

Why would super good guy Cena let Rey fight him after rey already having a match earlier in the show? I hope Punk points that out next week since he was pretty good at point out Cena's character flaws when they had that short feud earlier in the year.


I sort of feel bad for Rey. He has sort of been coasting this summer. I wounder of this will lead to a christian type heel turn.

 

[Wrekt]

Can you imagine if you asked a six year-old kid to plot any random wrestler's road to the Impact title?

LOL

AJ Styles will tag team with Kazarian against Gunner and Joker Sting. He'll get pinned by Gunner after interference by Abyss. He'll then run to Hulk Hogan and beg to join Immortal (is that still a thing?) while still remaining in Fourtune (is that still a thing?) He will go on to face Matt Morgan in a loser leaves TNA match and both Immortal and Fourtune will come to the ring to help him win. A brawl will erupt and during the chaos, he'll accidentally pin Anderson who was the previous #1 contender.

This will make him the new #1 contender and he'll face Joker Sting at the next ppv. During the fight, Joker Sting will remove a mask to reveal he is actually Crow Sting. Crow Sting will remove that mask and reveal that he is actually Rob Van Dam. RVD had taken out Crow Sting after his title match with Jeff Hardy and then stole his identity. That will catch AJ Styles off guard and RVD will pin him with a frog splash.

Then the next episode of Impact, they'll have a reverse battle royal for the title and Christopher Daniels will win out of nowhere.

Shit was easy.

 

[spindashing]

First we had:

Then somewhere we found:

Now, we have:

Click for fullsize.

 

[DKehoe]

Look at the current state of the WWE and TNA, and tell THEM it isn't hard to book cause they're having a hell of a time working stuff out. A 6 year old on Jimmy Kimmel just called match for match exactly what happened last night with Cena/Rey.

Predictible isn't necessarily bad. Constant swerves over the last few years have damaged the industry in a big way.

 

[somedevil]

Predictible isn't necessarily bad. Constant swerves over the last few years have damaged the industry in a big way.

TNA alone has almost single handly killed the enjoyment of swerves.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Predictible isn't necessarily bad. Constant swerves over the last few years have damaged the industry in a big way.

Predictability when it feels like the "right" thing to do is not bad, no. But when a 6 year old can call EXACTLY what's going to happen with the WWE Title because the same thing ALWAYS happens when Cena's in the picture, there's a problem.

 

[jmdajr]

The John Layfield Show/

Not bad. I like how he bashes both Republicans and Democrats

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I just hate when business mixes with creativity. It's the classic problem, they're afraid to do anything different with Cena because they fear that his merchandise won't sell as well if thet pull the leash on him, or give him a heel turn. I honestly think by the time his career is over he will have become WWE champion a record amount of times by a mile, I'm talking 30 times or so.

 

[dream]

Predictability when it feels like the "right" thing to do is not bad, no. But when a 6 year old can call EXACTLY what's going to happen with the WWE Title because the same thing ALWAYS happens when Cena's in the picture, there's a problem.

But you're approaching it from the perspective of someone who wants something new. For someone who watches WWE because they love John Cena, seeing him win the belt is their reward for sticking with the product.

 

[the_log_ride]

Interesting blog post from former WWE writer Dave Lagana about how everyone hated Punk in the beginning: http://iwantwrestling.com/2011/07/26/hall-of-famer-saved-cm-punk/

Great article. Thanks for posting. Reading about all the red tape and bs in these meetings always gets my blood boiling.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

But you're approaching it from the perspective of someone who wants something new. For someone who watches WWE because they love John Cena, seeing him win the belt is their reward for sticking with the product.

I guess you're right, but it just doesn't sit well with me because I was never like that. In the good ol days when I was still a full fledged mark, I clearly remember being excited when different stuff happened, even if it meant my favorite wrestler was on the short end of it. Even after I got deeper into the "business" of wrestling, I still enjoyed seeing heel gimmicks ending the night on top, or Stone Cold going over HBK at WM14 (and I was a huge HBK mark). I just don't like repetitive, predictable storytelling, in or out of the ring.

Hell, even when other shows I loved as a kid started getting predictable, I bailed on them. Kids these days seem happy to watch Super Cena win every time out. I don't get it.