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Are you talking about JP1?

In movie magic fashion they just flipped the cars around on the track to go back the way they came. If they were on the other side of the Rex paddock, the fence would be on their left side instead of the right. Plus that same goat is there on the ride back.

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Fence on the cars' left

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Fence on the cars' right

Woudn't be possible if they looped around to the other side, assuming there is one.
Ah, okay

And what about the ninja T Rex at the end of the movie? That always bugged me more than the sudden cliff.
 
Just realized, why isn't Kathleen Kennedy listed as one of the producers on the projects?

I remember her being associated to the project early on - she's produced most of Steven Spielberg's pics too so I am shocked I don't see her name.

Maybe because of her new position at Disney/Lucasfilm?

Chose to produce Star Wars instead of JW.
 
I'm watching Jurassic Park 2, for some reason.

Man this movie is filled with assholes. Such an ugly looking movie too. JP1 isn't particularly pretty either, but it had the majesty of the dinos.
 
Ah, okay

And what about the ninja T Rex at the end of the movie? That always bugged me more than the sudden cliff.

The Ninja T-Rex wasn't originally planned to be in that sequence, it was originally just going to be the two Raptors. But Steven Spielberg was so impressed with the early footage of the CGI T-Rex shots that he decided to just have the T-Rex just pop out at the end for one last good showing.

It was really unplanned, which is why it just sort of sneaks right in there without making any noise.
 
According to the JP special features, Steven and co worked on and researched the visual effects and animatronics for three years. Will there be another movie technology breakthrough like that?
 
I'm watching Jurassic Park 2, for some reason.

Man this movie is filled with assholes. Such an ugly looking movie too. JP1 isn't particularly pretty either, but it had the majesty of the dinos.

I mainly remember Vince Vaugh being a jackass.

Pete Postlethwaite was the best character but he was criminally underused.

But..Ian Malcolm.
He saves JP 2.

He sucks in TLW because he has to play the straight man half the time instead of just being the smarmy observer of man's hubris.
 
Pete Postlethwaite was the best character but he was criminally underused.

I remember being really upset they added the whole "counter INGEN" team to the movie and changed the books.

But honestly? I could have watched an entire film of dino hunting.

"IT'S A GAAAAME TRAIL, MR. LUDLOW, CARNIVORES HUNT ON GAME TRAILS. DO YOU WANT TO SET UP A BASE CAMP OR A BOOFAY?" ;)

My favorite bit:

"Peter, if you want me to run your little camping trip, there are two conditions: first, I'm in charge, and when I'm not around, Dieter is. All you have to do is sign the checks, tell us we're doing a good job, and open your case of scotch when we have a good day. Second condition: my fee? You can keep it. All I want in return for my services is the right to hunt one of the tyrannosaurs. A male, a buck only. How and when is my business. Now if you don't like either of those conditions, you're on your own. So go ahead, set up base camp right here, or in a swamp, or in the middle of a Rex nest for all I care. But I've been on too many safaris with rich dentists to listen to any more suicidal ideas, OK?"

Ludlow looks drunk and nods. "Okay".
 
I remember being really upset they added the whole "counter INGEN" team to the movie and changed the books.

But honestly? I could have watched an entire film of dino hunting.

"IT'S A GAAAAME TRAIL, MR. LUDLOW, CARNIVORES HUNT ON GAME TRAILS. DO YOU WANT TO SET UP A BASE CAMP OR A BOOFAY?" ;)

My favorite bit:

"Peter, if you want me to run your little camping trip, there are two conditions: first, I'm in charge, and when I'm not around, Dieter is. All you have to do is sign the checks, tell us we're doing a good job, and open your case of scotch when we have a good day. Second condition: my fee? You can keep it. All I want in return for my services is the right to hunt one of the tyrannosaurs. A male, a buck only. How and when is my business. Now if you don't like either of those conditions, you're on your own. So go ahead, set up base camp right here, or in a swamp, or in the middle of a Rex nest for all I care. But I've been on too many safaris with rich dentists to listen to any more suicidal ideas, OK?"

Ludlow looks drunk and nods. "Okay".

That dude was the fucking best. I loved Roland.

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Shame that Postlewithe passed away. It'd be awesome to see him return.
 
Pete Postlethwaite was the best character but he was criminally underused.

I don't know about criminally. He was a great supporting actor and I think they showed him just enough. He's easily one of the best and most memorable characters in the film, but I don't know that he needed to be more involved than the exact scenes that were dedicated to him.
 
I'm watching Jurassic Park 2, for some reason.

Man this movie is filled with assholes. Such an ugly looking movie too. JP1 isn't particularly pretty either, but it had the majesty of the dinos.

And that was Kaminski, too. I hate the look they chose for TLW.
 
My biggest issue with 3, other than the bland cast and the bad jokes, is seriously the CG.

Everything looked cartoony to me. The scene on the river with the Carnotaur, the animals as they float past, the airplane attack with the Spinosaur. Shots sometimes look far too fast and the actual models look a bit more "rounded" and less fierce. It looks like Jim Henson designed some of the dinos and the camera work was fucking shit.

I did like most of the pterosaur scene, ESPECIALLY the misty first few minutes. The THUNK between the kid and Sam Niell going over was nice, sent chills up my spine.

But I cannot watch JP3 again. I just can't.

That dude was the fucking best. I loved Roland.

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Shame that Postlewithe passed away. It'd be awesome to see him return.

"I believe I've spent enough time in the company of death". :(

My favorite characters from both movies were the "great white hunter" types. I loved Muldoon, especially in the book. In the book he and Gennaro basically form the most unlikely partnership for like the last half of the book. I would love someone to reboot the first movie as a miniseries somewhere down the road and cover these parts of the story we didn't get because lawyers dying on toilets is pretty funny.
 
According to the JP special features, Steven and co worked on and researched the visual effects and animatronics for three years. Will there be another movie technology breakthrough like that?

Does GAF just pretend that the biggest box office smash hit ever, Avatar, never existed?
 
Does GAF just pretend that the biggest box office smash hit ever, Avatar, never existed?
Just my personal opinion, but the CGI effects there don't come close to evolution of special effects that Jurassic Park achieved. Not by a long shot. Avatar simply refined and improved CGI. Jurassic Park did things that had never been done before, that people didn't even think was possible. That's a breakthrough.
 
Just my personal opinion, but the CGI effects there don't come close to evolution of special effects that Jurassic Park achieved. Not by a long shot. Avatar simply refined and improved CGI. Jurassic Park did things that had never been done before, that people didn't even think was possible. That's a breakthrough.

Basically this. The Avatar wow effect wore off pretty quick for me. Especially when the story started meandering. I was tired of it by the time the movie ended.

Jurassic Park still awes me to this day in some parts. Not bad for a movie 20 years old.
 
Seriously, I'm watching the special features for JP and the behind-the-scenes for the jeep attack is so impressive.

The T Rex robot was 9000 pounds and 40 feet long, and they have it crushing the car and interacting with everything. I think that's what makes the scene so impressive. You really feel the weight and mass of the Rex.
 
My biggest issue with 3, other than the bland cast and the bad jokes, is seriously the CG.

Everything looked cartoony to me. The scene on the river with the Carnotaur, the animals as they float past, the airplane attack with the Spinosaur. Shots sometimes look far too fast and the actual models look a bit more "rounded" and less fierce. It looks like Jim Henson designed some of the dinos and the camera work was fucking shit.

I did like most of the pterosaur scene, ESPECIALLY the misty first few minutes. The THUNK between the kid and Sam Niell going over was nice, sent chills up my spine.

But I cannot watch JP3 again. I just can't.



"I believe I've spent enough time in the company of death". :(

My favorite characters from both movies were the "great white hunter" types. I loved Muldoon, especially in the book. In the book he and Gennaro basically form the most unlikely partnership for like the last half of the book. I would love someone to reboot the first movie as a miniseries somewhere down the road and cover these parts of the story we didn't get because lawyers dying on toilets is pretty funny.
The Brachiosaur animatronics from the original weren't cartoony? Come on.
 
As unsafe as standing right next to it?

They are supposed to be scientists that know about animal behaviour.

Is this new movie an alternative reality or an actual sequel? because they better have an amazing explanation of why any government would let a park like that to open after what happened in the first three movies.
 
Is this new movie an alternative reality or an actual sequel? because they better have an amazing explanation of why any government would let a park like that to open after what happened in the first three movies.

It's set 22 years after the first JP film.

The first movie ended with the islands being left deserted, and apparently no one really knew about it other than those who worked there (and had nondisclosure agreements).

The second movie ended with the knowledge of dinosaurs going public, and left free to roam around because they are isolated there.

The third movie didn't impact anything whatsoever because the only people involved were idiots acting on their own.

After that, inGEN was bought by the Masrani Corporation, and they spearheaded the park program again. The islands are owned by the Costa Rican government, and I assume they allowed it to happen because 1. Moneymoneymoney and 2. Creating a structure would make it a safer island in general and it would stop potential people from trying to sneak onto the island illegally (and "disappear"). They were sitting on a untapped gold mine for years, so when another company came in and wanted to make it profitable, I don't see why they wouldn't. If a bunch of Masrani employees get killed, no skin off of their back.

I'm not saying otherwise. But that person stated that the JP3 dinos had a Jim Henson look in a negative sense when those brachiosaurs in JP1 were straight up Jim Henson looking.

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I gotcha. I also get what he means by cartoony, because it comes down not to not just how they look, but how they're animated and rendered overall. That ceratosaurus shot was referenced, and it totally looked like something out of Disney's CG movie Dinosaur, but somehow worse.
 
Man this movie is filled with assholes. Such an ugly looking movie too. JP1 isn't particularly pretty either, but it had the majesty of the dinos.

Yeah. Jurassic Park was shot by Dean Cundey who strives for the natural but I think that's what I loved about the photography in it. It wasn't trying to be some kind of visually glamorous and theatrical kind of look when it came to the cinematography but it had, as you said, the majesty of the dinosaurs that still gave it that huge production feel. The Lost World had Kaminsky who tends to make everything very dark and gray, or very "bloomy." But Lost World was definitely darker both visually and thematically, and it was pretty ugly all-around. Intentional I guess; I don't mean ugly in that it was badly shot but it was just a very gritty film. Not pleasing to look at, but not very pleasing tonally either.

Oddly enough, Jurassic Park 3 despite its numerous flaws, I found to be a pretty nice looking movie overall. It lacked Spielberg's scope but it was also far more vibrant and pleasing to look at than Lost World. It's bizarre but as more time passes the more I find myself enjoying that one. It has a lot of bad aspects but it also felt very innocent and harmless. The action was pretty good and the raptors were super badass. Also the pteranodon sequence is legitimately fantastic.

If only it didn't have shit like the talking raptor dream, the super abrupt ending, Amanda's screaming, and ironic stuff like intercutting between the boat attack and Barney... I'll never forgive those things, but there's more to it than that and some of it is really good. I think it's better overall than the second one. At least it remains tonally consistent, unlike Lost World which is pretty dark and bland but then goes absolutely apeshit with the third act.
 
Yeah. Jurassic Park was shot by Dean Cundey who strives for the natural but I think that's what I loved about the photography in it. It wasn't trying to be some kind of visually glamorous and theatrical kind of look when it came to the cinematography but it had, as you said, the majesty of the dinosaurs that still gave it that huge production feel. The Lost World had Kaminsky who tends to make everything very dark and gray, or very "bloomy." But Lost World was definitely darker both visually and thematically, and it was pretty ugly all-around. Intentional I guess; I don't mean ugly in that it was badly shot but it was just a very gritty film. Not pleasing to look at, but not very pleasing tonally either.

Oddly enough, Jurassic Park 3 despite its numerous flaws, I found to be a pretty nice looking movie overall. It lacked Spielberg's scope but it was also far more vibrant and pleasing to look at than Lost World. It's bizarre but as more time passes the more I find myself enjoying that one. It has a lot of bad aspects but it also felt very innocent and harmless. The action was pretty good and the raptors were super badass. Also the pteranodon sequence is legitimately fantastic.

If only it didn't have shit like the talking raptor dream, the super abrupt ending, Amanda's screaming, and ironic stuff like intercutting between the boat attack and Barney... I'll never forgive those things, but there's more to it than that and some of it is really good. I think it's better overall than the second one. At least it remains tonally consistent, unlike Lost World which is pretty dark and bland but then goes absolutely apeshit with the third act.

I've always liked JP3 more than TLW too. I just find no joy in TLW, and this rewatch reconfirmed it.
 
im normally never picky about these kinds of things but that was some pretty bad cgi, didn't look natural at all. but besides that looks like a fun movie.
 
According to the JP special features, Steven and co worked on and researched the visual effects and animatronics for three years. Will there be another movie technology breakthrough like that?

Just my two cents:

Avatar was 4 years in development. They created new camera rigs, and a "virtual" set where you can point a camera and record a 3D world in real time - the original oculus rift. They also enhanced video editing tools to handle the incredible amount of data. Many of Avatar's technical successes are invisible and are being used on films today.

It's been 5 years now since Avatar, and I'm pretty certain James and company are developing things far beyond anyone else in the industry, more so than Jackson with his Hobbit movies which are also technically impressive.

The problem with these large scale films (like Avatar and the Hobbit) is that they near 3 hours long, double of Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park had 80 VFX shots, other films have 3000 (and an army of artists), therefore some shots will take priority over others and not everything will look on par. Even in Avatar, you can almost tell which shots they rendered again and again to look lifelike, and others with piss poor green screen.

I do miss Stan Winston though, it felt like his work had the centre of the stage which blended perfectly with the CGI shots that bookended his stuff. Now everything is enhanced, which is cool when you ask yourself in one of (the few) amazing shots in the Hobbit, "where does real life end, and CGI begin?" But everything is so hyperrealistic now (I actually hate the cinematography in the Hobbit films, and I think its hurts the visual effects).

I look forward to what Star Wars has in store with its Disney money.... Though I sorely feel it won't be anything special.

Edit: I also wanna give a shout out to Final Fantasy the Spirits Within. That movie was so ahead of its time, and still holds up visually today. Too bad it bankrupt the company, lol.
 
I think the sequence from the destruction of the camp in TLW to the helicopter escape might be my favorite in all the films (save for the gymnastics stuff). The long grass stuff is the stuff of nightmares.
 
I've always liked JP3 more than TLW too. I just find no joy in TLW, and this rewatch reconfirmed it.

I used to not think so but I have a friend who kept hammering it into my head and while it didn't work there for a while... maybe it's just where I've gotten older but I've started to dislike things that are straightforward and bland and prefer things with a bit of charm to them. I always thought it would be the other way around, but it's been the opposite. As you said there's no joy at all in the second one. It has a couple of really awesome scenes and I'll always love the trailer over the cliff scene, but at the same time it has dialogue like them telling Eddie sarcastically what kind of food they want when the guy is just trying to help I mean what the fuck.

Anyway the third one, especially now that they're obviously doing something new with the raptors, brought the raptor intelligence to the forefront of the story and I think that actually means more to the forward momentum of the story since the next one is going to further capitalize on that. We'll see how it's executed but I like the idea of the first movie having the raptors being the scariest point, the third movie taking that and saying that they're not just killing machines but highly intelligent animals that could have possibly become the dominant species as opposed to humans if they weren't wiped out, etc, and the newest one possibly dabbling in being able to train them or whatever is going on.

I think it's interesting to see the animals evolve to a degree even just within the context of the movies. In the third movie they were the same raptors that Hammond's people made, only they have had time to flourish on Sorna without much outside interference so you got to see how the raptors would have evolved naturally had they been created and set free rather than created as a theme park spectacle. And yes, this led to them having feathers. :p
 
I think you are going to be disappointed. It'll probably sound like a combination between a T-Rex and the Velociraptors.
Not holding my breath but I'm going to keep an open-mind anyway. The last roar that really stayed with me is from Evangelion. Major spoilers->
When Unit 01 awakens and screams/roars. Apparently it's just a slowed down, slightly tweaked sound of someone screaming but it still sounded disturbing nonetheless.
 
Oh God I hope the plot isn't them splicing Raptor DNA with human DNA.

I much prefer Deep Blue Sea over Alien Resurrection in terms of bad creature movies. I guess this is the 4th movie in the franchise so maybe Dinosaurs vs Predator is next.
 
im normally never picky about these kinds of things but that was some pretty bad cgi, didn't look natural at all. but besides that looks like a fun movie.

The real touch-ups on the CGI won't occur until a more finalized edit is locked. It takes a lot of work and many many man-hours and money so they don't focus as hardcore on shots at this stage of post which is why the effects in the trailer are still rough. That being said, 5-6 months away from being finished, I think it's coming along very nicely.
 
Oddly enough, Jurassic Park 3 despite its numerous flaws, I found to be a pretty nice looking movie overall. It lacked Spielberg's scope but it was also far more vibrant and pleasing to look at than Lost World. It's bizarre but as more time passes the more I find myself enjoying that one. It has a lot of bad aspects but it also felt very innocent and harmless. The action was pretty good and the raptors were super badass. Also the pteranodon sequence is legitimately fantastic.

If only it didn't have shit like the talking raptor dream, the super abrupt ending, Amanda's screaming, and ironic stuff like intercutting between the boat attack and Barney... I'll never forgive those things, but there's more to it than that and some of it is really good. I think it's better overall than the second one. At least it remains tonally consistent, unlike Lost World which is pretty dark and bland but then goes absolutely apeshit with the third act.

Agree completely. Pteranodon scene is really, really great.

TLW is a pretty good film but it is a TERRIBLE adaptation of one of my favorite books, and for that reason I give JP3 the nod for superior sequel.
Though I think the Telltale game, story-wise, is better than both.
Unpopular opinion for sure, but then I also like Indy 4 lol.
 
Unpopular opinion for sure, but then I also like Indy 4 lol.

I need to finish the Telltale game. It was okay from what I played but definitely felt like fan service. You know, that's one thing I can't say about Jurassic World. While the concept shares similarities with the first movie, the new ideas at play, the fact that they're not shoehorning in older characters for the sake of returning fan favorites and so on really doesn't give me that "fan service" feel. I think that if it were fan service that they would be playing it much safer than they are, and they're clearly not.

In regards to Crystal Skull, I enjoyed it for the most part despite agreeing with a share of the criticism. Still found it to be a really fun movie though. And as much as I usually defend CGI, that's one movie where I felt like it was definitely distracting. With the SW prequels I didn't mind it so much because of Lucas' creative drive and vision being really hard to accomplish and pull off without so much of it, but for Crystal Skull it felt like they just CG'd the fuck out of everything that they could just for the sake of it.

Like I said, still enjoyed it though. I liked the story enough, the score was excellent as usual, the action scenes were fun to me, and it just had a very fun, light-hearted vibe to it which I dig.
 
If only it didn't have shit like the talking raptor dream, the super abrupt ending, Amanda's screaming, and ironic stuff like intercutting between the boat attack and Barney... I'll never forgive those things, but there's more to it than that and some of it is really good. I think it's better overall than the second one. At least it remains tonally consistent, unlike Lost World which is pretty dark and bland but then goes absolutely apeshit with the third act.

I see those as symptoms more than the cause of my ire for that movie. It comes down to a failure of filmmaking as a whole, with a script that wasn't finished when production began, the writers failing with the simplest story and characters (try to do the character test for the cast of JP3 without feeling like you're reaching). On a technical level, the cinematography was barely better than television shows of that time, having a direct-to-dvd feel to the production despite the large budget and Stan Winston's team behind it. Joe Johnston's flawed view of how to take the sequel can be summed with the change of the logo from the T-Rex to that damn Spinosaur.

I think part of what makes me appreciate TLW to a certain extent is its history. The darker more cynical tone gives it Temple of Doom vibe (which is my fave Indiana Jones film). TLW stands as a incredibly flawed film, born out of the inevitability of a sequel. Even The Lost World novel was a product created out of pressure from people after the first film did so well. Spielberg and Crichton were both burdened by Jurassic Park's success and created sequels because of Universal.

TLW the film obviously didn't come anywhere close to reaching JP levels, but it was a loud, messy, clunky film that reflected some of Spielberg's growing cynicism and disenfranchisement with huge success following Jurassic Park, and I could feel that as a viewer. He wanted to direct TLW because he knew that sequel was imminent and he didn't want a Jaws situation where it's taken out of his hands.

Now apart from its history, as a film I still like TLW as it has distinct acts, tells a large scale story and is layered with multiple character subplots and messages that have a direct connection with the first. I actually liked several of the characters, and some had very strong, established personalities that were memorable. It's Spielberg's worst and messiest film, but it's still a Spielberg film; it's not like he forgot how to direct. It was cinematically superb as usual in a technical sense. I enjoyed it a lot for its spectacle at the time, but I can still enjoy it now.
 
Wait, people think Godzilla's CGI was bad? Holy shit I thought it looked incredible...

Well I guess I know where I stand compared to everyone else then, goddayum lol.
 
Now apart from its history, as a film I still like TLW as it has distinct acts, tells a large scale story and is layered with multiple character subplots and messages that have a direct connection with the first. I actually liked several of the characters, and some had very strong, established personalities that were memorable. It's Spielberg's worst and messiest film, but it's still a Spielberg film; it's not like he forgot how to direct. It was cinematically superb as usual in a technical sense. I enjoyed it a lot for its spectacle at the time, but I can still enjoy it now.

Good analysis. I agree with a lot of what you had to say (apart from the facts, which are facts so I can't disagree there) but I think you said it best when you said that the film was largely cynical due to the pressure that Spielberg was facing. Like Temple of Doom being excessively dark because George Lucas was pissed off and down in the dumps when he wrote it, The Lost World definitely seems to share some of those sensibilities. I don't hate it or disregard it. I fully count it as a legitimate follow-up, but it's not what I personally really desire from Jurassic Park both story-wise and tonally, and this brings me back to the core of why I enjoyed the third one more.

The Lost World, I felt, had "sequel" stamped all over it-- and I mean both the book and film. A secondary character in the original was brought back as the protagonist, and that's one of my main points of frustration. I don't see Jurassic Park as being a character-centered story. As much as I like some of the characters, I don't think it's particularly meant to be character-driven. It's not a character study, but rather a commentary of several themes. The characters can help drive the point home, sure, but when I think about Jurassic Park my mind doesn't go to Grant or Malcolm right off the bat.

And yes, this is a criticism I share with Jurassic Park III. I felt it was incredibly dishonest and against character for Grant to go back for any reason. They tried to establish that he needed research funds through the whole fund-raising campaign, but I don't think that he would have went for the money despite it only being a fly-over, and it irks me to no end when they just flash a blank check at him and it cuts to the plane. That never sat well with me. Jurassic III's main plot of the kid getting stranded on the island didn't need Grant, but at least they used him to help extrapolate the raptor intelligence sub-plot.

I think what might have worked better for me is just having Billy be the main character that goes to the island, while Grant is only really at the beginning and is just some cynical old man but Billy hasn't seen the dinosaurs and he has that spark of energy and excitement that Grant had before he saw the dinosaurs, and the story could have still worked out well with Billy going with the Kirby's, taking the eggs, putting them in danger but then helping return the eggs at the end. I don't think his character, as written, would have made for a tremendously interesting protagonist, but I didn't think Grant was a super interesting protagonist either. He was good and I like Neill a lot, but again none of these characters are particularly deep or fascinating.

My apologies for rambling so much about it, and I know that this post is kind of all over the place, but I'm just trying to explain why The Lost World was a bit too dark and joyless to me whereas the third one, while I had plenty of issues with it and still some of the same issues I had with the second, was still more entertaining and engaging to me. I wish the script had been better and more fleshed out as there were bites of interesting details in there that never really came to fruition, but I still found the raptor sub-plot to be a lot more interesting and maybe even important to the story than anything in the second one.
 
I liked the trailer and I'm very excited about the film. I'm an architect who loves theme park designs & concepts so this plus dinosaurs has me very excited - love the monorail over the water, the mosasaur stadium and the gyrosphere (it would be criminal not to have a chase scene involving it). Hopefully we get to see more of the park facilities!

I hope we see more dinosaur species too that haven't appeared in previous films - I love the JP films but always disliked the over use of the same Dino's. I'm not sold on the hybrid though they could've used a newly discovered species imo but I'll reserve final judgement after seeing the film.

My only disappointment was with the dialogue which sounded meh but hopefully it's just the because of the trailer. Bad dialogue is usually a sign of bad filmmaking imo.
 
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