I have some trouble believing that the posters who are saying the CG looks fake are talking about the "totally unrealistic dinosaur movements". Most of the CG anger in this thread was pointed at the Jurassic World gate scene, the great white shark carcass, and the Mosasaurus; two of those things aren't even alive. And there are the legs of a made-up dinosaur.
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Jurassic World Official Trailer
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shinobi602
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I literally rewatched the first two JP films on bluray last night and anyone who says the dinos look "worse" by each new film is not to be taken seriously imo. CGI dinos (especially the sauropods) in past films look awful compared to the JW trailer.Here's an excellent explanation on why it looks so bad.
ReplacementPelican
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I've heard about the Torosaurus theory before but never paid too much attention to it, thanks for sharing the link.
Demoncarnotaur
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Hartman and Holtz know their stuff. The Apatosaur scene looked off to me, but it's hard to say how it'll look in wide shots.
At a point a few years back some big Paleontological names were attached. Like Krentz.
At a point a few years back some big Paleontological names were attached. Like Krentz.
Cow Mengde
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Jim Kirkland also shared an interesting recap of how the Velociraptor size coincided with the Utahraptor discovery.
It's not like there were Apatos in the old movies but the sauropods were always the weak link of those films and the ones in JW look like from a freakin' TV documentary.
You can defend this film all you want but if you make a dinosaur film and upset almost everyone who takes dinosaurs "really" serious you have a problem.
Especially kids won't be as dumb as the producers think. They grow up with the newest findings in this field, they aren't like adults who only see dinosaurs with their nostalgia glasses.
You can defend this film all you want but if you make a dinosaur film and upset almost everyone who takes dinosaurs "really" serious you have a problem.
Especially kids won't be as dumb as the producers think. They grow up with the newest findings in this field, they aren't like adults who only see dinosaurs with their nostalgia glasses.
Jawmuncher
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So they just took out the kids in the beginning.
Can't say that's a issue if you're going for a quicker trailer.
Gambit 1138
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They made so many stupid decisions with this film it's not even funny. Domesticated raptors and hybrid mutant Dino's? Overdone cg? 
Agreed, but the T-Rex CGI at night is still so godlike.
They cut the Mosasaur scene and shortened some of the earlier clips, and I thought the first half was the better part of the trailer lol, save for the last raptor scene.
Demoncarnotaur
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This is what they showed on TV during the football game Thursday. I don't think it's actually an international trailer, but rather an abbreviated one.
Night CG is always easier to do due to the lack of lighting. I figured that's why a lot of stuff like giant monster fights (Godzilla, Pacific Rim) happen when it's dark, as well as look better, although not always as visible.
Man, Pacific Rim could have benefitted from a few daytime shots. I was fine with the fight in the city because there's so much illumination from the city itself, but the last act in the ocean was just a damn mess, visually. Same with Edge of Tomorrow. I wish nighttime action finales will be less prominent someday *_*
Me too. At least in Pacific Rim the monsters had the glow in the dark aspect which made it neat and work for that movie, but yeah daytime stuff is nice too. JP has always had a bit of both, but for the big scenes, you always need the scary, dramatic effect of darkness, and sometimes rain.
More_Badass
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I wonder if now that there's an actual hotel on the island, if we'll get the scene from the first book where the raptors chew through the window bars and are stalking people through the building.
I hope they also have scary vicious raptors too, as well as the trained ones
I hope they also have scary vicious raptors too, as well as the trained ones
Scorpion Soldier
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I actually like the footage, but my problem with it is the editing and music of the second half. Whilst I like their inclusion of the classic theme, I would've preferred a more thrilling build-up ending with a more ominous title reveal, possibly saving the shot of Pratt being chased by the D-Rex to be revealed after the title. Example for the title card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeOjFno6Do (Just the title card from 1m58 to 2m04), then follow this with the D-Rex shot and have its roar played and fading out over the credits/logos at the end.
If they get into cliche territory, he will be he alpha with the giant scar across his eye
Also, an open letter to those who want to turn it into a 'us vs them' discussion about how dinosaurs are shown in the trailer and how inaccurate they are; please don't. Dish out actual knowledge instead.
Outline exactly what it is that's inaccurate and why it is. Do you know how I know about inaccuracies from every JP movie? People explained it to me in a clear way with evidence, and it's all fascinating, so I'd love to hear it. That fact that you think something isn't accurate and looks stupid (or that the people making the movie are stupid) tells us nothing other than you're subjective opinion when the topic of dinosaur depiction is something that is relatively objective and founded on research.
Yeah, seeing how every JP movie has had a large action set-piece taking place at night in a storm, we're definitely getting at least one.
I'm pretty sure I had nightmares as a kid about exactly that lol
Outline exactly what it is that's inaccurate and why it is. Do you know how I know about inaccuracies from every JP movie? People explained it to me in a clear way with evidence, and it's all fascinating, so I'd love to hear it. That fact that you think something isn't accurate and looks stupid (or that the people making the movie are stupid) tells us nothing other than you're subjective opinion when the topic of dinosaur depiction is something that is relatively objective and founded on research.
Yeah, seeing how every JP movie has had a large action set-piece taking place at night in a storm, we're definitely getting at least one.
I'm pretty sure I had nightmares as a kid about exactly that lol
Anton Sugar
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Holy shit. Did they use any of those for the JP raptor sounds? Some are similar.
They combined the genes (sounds) of multiple species (animals) and created a brand new hybrid (roar)
I wouldn't be surprised, some of the lower guttural sounds are especially familiar sounding.
Jawmuncher
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I feel a bit bad that I don't care how accurate this is.
I just want dinosaurs on the big screen even if liberties are taken.
I just want dinosaurs on the big screen even if liberties are taken.
They combined the genes (sounds) of multiple species (animals) and created a brand new hybrid (roar)
I wouldn't be surprised, some of the lower guttural sounds are especially familiar sounding.
Geeze the cassowary sounds frightening!
It's funny though with the hybrid sounds. I'll watch BBC nature shows and hear something like a penguin (I'm pretty sure it was) and in my head I think "Dilophasaurus". I've heard at least one or two of the raptor calls on the actual animals before. T-rex had the biggest mix of all. It was like a lion, gorilla, and walrus or something like that. Now it's just a stock sound file for plenty of media
Actually, I'm surprised it became an open stock sound, and something Universal didn't copyright.If I want accuracy in my prehistoric creatures, yeah I go with a documentary. I really like the way the JP dinosaurs look aesthetically, even if it's not accurate.
I've always loved this T-Rex design:
But fully accept that T-Rex probably looked like this:
Just get those dino's on the screen, in full agreement with you there.
The bird itself is frightening! That thing can disembowel you easy.
Geeze the cassowary sounds frightening!
It's funny though with the hybrid sounds. I'll watch BBC nature shows and hear something like a penguin (I'm pretty sure it was) and in my head I think "Dilophasaurus". I've heard at least one or two of the raptor calls on the actual animals before. T-rex had the biggest mix of all. It was like a lion, gorilla, and walrus or something like that. Now it's just a stock sound file for plenty of media
Yeah, I remember hearing the T-rex roar in a television cartoon and being really puzzled. They really started to lessen the uniqueness of that roar when it began appearing in every shitty show or movie with monsters, but somehow every time it's used in a proper JP movie, it makes it awesome again.
Lovely Salsa
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If I want accuracy in my prehistoric creatures, yeah I go with a documentary. I really like the way the JP dinosaurs look aesthetically, even if it's not accurate.
I've always loved this T-Rex design:
But fully accept that T-Rex probably looked like this:
Just get those dino's on the screen, in full agreement with you there.
The bird itself is frightening! That thing can disembowel you easy.
no effin way t rex looked like that....
the hell is the point of those "wings"? I loled when I saw that pic
thankfully there's no proof that t-rex had feathers....yet
I assume all theropod dinosaurs were feathered. The wings are hilarious though, about as useful as those vestigial stumps for arms.
Guys, forget all that. We have the true intentions of Jurassic World. Stay vigilant and do not be fooled by Satan, the deceiver.
LilWayneSuckz
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God that JPW trailer was (still) disappointing...
And I've read the novelization of Jurassic Park 3
And I've read the novelization of Jurassic Park 3
MisterGrey3000
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Feathers I get, but full-blown wings?!
That might be a bit speculative, I generally don't see depictions of non-paravian and non-oviraptorosaurid theropods with elaborate wing feathers...but it's a possibility.
I mean, if T.rex did have a heavy coat of feathers I imagine it would look a lot more like Yutyrannus huali; a Tyrannosaur which definitely had feathers.
The Raptor sounds in JP were basically the sounds of tortoises mating, dolphins screaming, African cranes courting, geese hissing, walruses bellowing, and humans rasping all mixed together; that film had some really awesome sound design.
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It's certainly plausible that they could have had elaborate arm feathers for courting, and threat display; these kinds of feathers didn't evolve purely for the sake of flight, they had other important purposes.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Kind of OT, but has anyone got any suggestions for good documentaries on Dinosaurs, that aren't Walking with Dinosaurs.
Cow Mengde
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Planet Dinosaur is the best. Don't confuse it with the old Dinosaur Planet. PD is hands down the best right now.
Here's a clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO8BjI3L3yg
More_Badass
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JP3...wow, I had forgotten how stupid this movie was. I'm watching it again now. Really, after Grant's steadfast declaration of never going back to the island, he's persuaded by some guy who makes some vague and ludicrous claims (seats reserved for "first commercial moon flight")?
And don't forget the ridiculous notion that raptors are smarter than primates and could have become the dominant species. But if anything, that makes trained/docile raptors more realistic in the movie universe
The whole tumbling plane sequence is just a poor ripoff of the RV cliff scene from the second movie
Even the animatronics looked worse. Too jerky and robotic compared to the first two. The CGI felt cartoony, much less realistic than in previous films
Edit: another thing, they made the raptors way too smart in 3. Sure, their whole shtick is being intelligent pack hunters, but in 1 and 2, they were still animals. Ambushing, coordinating attacks. Even opening doors seemed somewhat realistic. In 3, raptors practically have a language (called for help), instantly realize to climb a gate during the attack in the facility, set bait
And don't forget the ridiculous notion that raptors are smarter than primates and could have become the dominant species. But if anything, that makes trained/docile raptors more realistic in the movie universe
The whole tumbling plane sequence is just a poor ripoff of the RV cliff scene from the second movie
Even the animatronics looked worse. Too jerky and robotic compared to the first two. The CGI felt cartoony, much less realistic than in previous films
Edit: another thing, they made the raptors way too smart in 3. Sure, their whole shtick is being intelligent pack hunters, but in 1 and 2, they were still animals. Ambushing, coordinating attacks. Even opening doors seemed somewhat realistic. In 3, raptors practically have a language (called for help), instantly realize to climb a gate during the attack in the facility, set bait
MatrixMan.EXE
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Cow Mengde
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Thanks dude! Appreciated. Will investigate a means to watch immediately
Also check Dinosaur Revolution. It's a little more like a tribute to dinosaurs than a straight documentary. Even has comedy segments, but it's still very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAL6A0qKDec
I had a hard time watching Walking with Dinosaurs. Using real environments, the CG at the time just didn't mesh with it :/ I think I remember a couple ok shots, but that really took me out of it :/
I remember seeing a few episodes of it a while ago, maybe 2-3 years ago, but I remember it was one of the best docs I've seen for dinosaurs. Decent CG as well (for its time) that wasn't too distracting.
I thought the CG in that was pretty darn good :U
It was nearly everything else about it I didn't really like lol
edit: I was thinking of the film Walking with Dinosaurs, which was pretty terrible lol, not the BBC documentary. I don't think I've seen that.
Soleil rouge
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Dinosaurs look straight out of Terra Nova.
Also, Pratt and the raptors appear to be having a race at the end. A race against time. This movie will be lame as all hell.
Also, Pratt and the raptors appear to be having a race at the end. A race against time. This movie will be lame as all hell.
maquiladora
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For me, it's not so much that the CG dinosaurs look bad because of bad CG, they look bad for the same reason every other shot in the trailer looked bad : the director just does not have an eye for this type of movie. It's painfully obvious. It's all so glossy and clean and brightly lit with such basic, uninspiring shot compositions. I said it before, but it looks like a Syfy movie with a bigger budget. There is no sense of wonder, or awe or creativity.
There's no magic.
But I guess that's what happens when you hire a guy that has made a grand total of 1 feature films before now (a low-budget comedy no less).
There's no magic.
But I guess that's what happens when you hire a guy that has made a grand total of 1 feature films before now (a low-budget comedy no less).
It could very well be shit, despite me liking the premise; but I don't see evidence of either yet.
Not gonna argue with shot compositions. I've noted several times that a lot of the trailer is incredibly boring, static, wide establishing shots that occasionally feature the characters standing and staring into space.
I can't and don't disagree with people saying it's a lacking trailer; but I also think that it shows so little that it's not indicative of anything about the film's visual or narrative quality. Not yet at least. That's why I think it's kinda ridiculous to already start making post-mortem statements like "this is what happens when you get a inexperienced director". His one feature film has a 91 on Rotten Tomatoes, and it doesn't matter that it's a "low budget comedy" because that doesn't make it any less of a feat. We'll see if it's a fluke with his current and future efforts.
Freeza Under The Shower
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What do you think chicken wings are?
T-rex's forelimbs were so ridiculously short and useless that they couldn't really have been anything other than small wings (assuming muscles were attached to them), presumably like the wings of current flightless birds only used for courting potential mates.
That said, hadrosaurus seems to have been buttnaked, so it's not really a leap of the imagination that the contemporary T-rex was also a leatherhead at adulthood.
Taking the bird example though, their protofeathers may have functioned as basic camouflage for young offspring, like most mammals and birds use it today. They may have lost them all when reaching adulthood and thereby being out of danger of being eaten by something larger. The protofeathers resemble the fur of young birds /chicks more, in my mind, than they do the eventual feathers of adult modern birds.
Though obviously both shapes and genetic paths were around at the end of the Cretaceous, but only one survived. Which is probably a good thing for us.
Incidently, this pattern was used for the T-rex chick (literally described as a giant turkey) in the JP: the Lost World sequel novel, where the adults are scaly and the chicks are furballs.
Crighton never bothered to investigate whether this was 'just how the creatures were' (Like the first two movies) or whether this was some sort of genetic drift where the 'real properties' of dinosaur dna started to manifest themselves over the designed forms (JP3).
So this fourth movie could go either way on that end.
Byakuya769
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Chickens evolved from ancestors that could fly (as did other extant flightless birds). I don't think the basal Tyrannosaurs did.
Anyway, I wonder when will a film come out that attempts to do what JP did in the 90s: flip ideas of how dinosaurs looked on its head in the public consciousness.
More_Badass
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75% of the teaser was sweeping establishing landscape shots, most of which won't actually be in the movie and were made only for the teaser. Not sure how you can judge the cinematic prowess from that
Director has already said that there will be animatronics and extras have said there's a massive practical set of the park
Actually, at least IMO, this looks like it'll be the best and truest sequel yet. It captures the themes of the original, finally depicts a fully operational and successful park. Hammond's vision finally brought to life. Ideas like creating dinosaur hybrids, exotic rides, etc., were all from the first book. The first book even had a non-violent raptor that wasn't aggressive towards humans
Check out the site to see the amount of thought and world building they've put into the park
http://www.jurassicworld.com
Kyleripman
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To be fair, this raptor was only a hatchling and not part of any kind of training program or anything.
Agreed about the world building, though. That's what has me most excited.
Shall we look at another similar situation called: Garath Edwards?
Wikipedia because i'm lazy and bolded for important information said:
Dude went from low-budget monster movie to "The Monster Movie" to doing a spin-off of one of the biggest franchises in the world.
While not perfect, if we can get a Godzilla 2014 out of this, i'll be happy enough.
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