More_Badass
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Exactly. If a raptor with that temperament could exist without training or conditioning, it's not much of a stretch to imagine that raptors could be conditioned from a young age or bred to be more docile.
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Jurassic World Official Trailer
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brandonh83
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Just the first minute of this teaser alone brought me that wonder that I've sorely missed from many of today's edgier fare. But few things do that for me anymore. I'm just happy that stuff like this and Star Wars can still deliver that awesome, non-cynical escapism.
Kyleripman
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Well I just meant that it wasn't so much docile as it was just an infant. Kind of a like a very young lion cub would be similarly harmless even if wild.
But in support of the idea, if we extrapolate even further from the books' perspective, the raptors in TLW were kind of a "blank slate," as they hadn't inherited any social behavior from previous generations and never learned how to behave. In that case it manifested as exaggerated aggression, but it does imply that their social behavior should be based on learning instead of instinct.
So, with the right training program in place, they should be susceptible to becoming cooperative.
Same here, and the again the world building they are doing with the Island, the resort and the layout of everything tells me they are definitely more serious about this film than I ever got the impression from JP2, or especially JP3.
And again, the Director has stated that these aren't "Trained" or "Domesticated" Raptors at all, at least, as much trained as probably you could get out of actual modern day predators like Alligators or Crocodiles who do go back millions of years. You can get certain trainers who know how to work with them and can make them "do tricks", but one wrong move and you're dead meat.
The Spinosaur was the unfortunate dinosaur that ended being the crutch for the entire miserable film. The Spinosaur killing the Tyrannosaur is simply the syndrome of a director who fell too much in love with his own unique "monster" and hoped audiences would embrace it as the "bigger, badder dinosaur", without understanding why audiences fell in love with the Rex in the first place. Joe Johnston went full stupid changing the actual Jurassic Park logo and replacing the T-Rex with the Spinosaurus, prematurely proclaiming it as the next big thing that finally trumps the T-Rex. The 2013 re-release of the Blu rays even retcons that logo on its cover, preferring the original T-Rex design because the Spino didn't amount to shit for marketing:
The director makes it a point to show his monster off as often as he can, making it appear in the most implausible and impossible times and places. Even overlooking the fact that the Spino primarily eats fish, it devours two humans and has a whole Tyrannosaur carcass to eat within the first 10-15 minutes that it's introduced; it has no reason to chase these little human beans around for days. The director also writes it away just as lazily; A locked door keeps it from breaking through despite ramming and destroying a massive iron fence just a moment ago.
The Spinosaurus is the director's get-out-of-jail-free card to show up whenever he deems necessarily in order to fill in the gaps of the story. It's disastrously lazy: "What do the characters do now? Well, let's just have the Spinosaurus appear (for no reason) and chase them again to the next area." There's never a moment where the characters just happen to run into a Spino, or evade it stealthily because it's minding its own business -- Every situation is instigated by a Spinosaurus with the expressed intent to murder the entire cast. Jurassic Park 3 turns the Spinosaurus into some kind of bizarre serial killer dinosaur who simply wants to kill humans for sport, crossing huge areas of the island and multiple territories to do so.
I almost want to say that Johnston had contempt for the JP audience because he so blatantly wants to pull the wool over the audience's eyes. Luckily, the audiences weren't as blind as he hoped and saw it for the embarrassing piece of cinema it was. It's almost hilariously sad that the first 30 seconds of the movie has three huge claws slashing across Jurassic Park as if it's attacking the very franchise itself... apparently inflicting upon it a mortal wound that would make Universal lose all taste for making any more sequels for 14 years.
So it's not the Spinosaurus' fault, but Joe Johnston turned it into a monster of his own creation, one that wants to kill the worst family in the world (a noble cause for sure) but does nothing with the Spino other than make it Joe Johnston's T-Rex replacement, "but better".
... I really need to stop blacking out and finding extensive JP3 rants typed up by the time I wake up.
More_Badass
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^^^
Pretty much
I thought it was hilarious how when Grant and the kid reunite with his parents at the fence, then the phone rings, and they turn to see the Spinosaurus just standing there, silently, like some slasher villian that just emerged from the shadows. It was less dinosaur, more mindless movie monster. At least the Rexs in 2 had a reason to act aggressively and attack the main characters
The thing I disliked the most about 3 was that it used the tropes and iconic elements of the franchise for humor rather than tension.
The gripping Rex attack and "it can't see if you don't move"? Played for laughs, as everyone runs in terror when Grant mentions it
The ringtone from the Spinosaur's stomach? Meant to be more funny rather tense, a poor replacement for the classic water ripples.
The plot device of a wealthy benefactor funding Grant's digs to get him on the island? Subverted for a joke, with the guy turning out to be a cheap liar
Even the animatronics looked cheap and not as threatening as previous movies
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Pretty much
I thought it was hilarious how when Grant and the kid reunite with his parents at the fence, then the phone rings, and they turn to see the Spinosaurus just standing there, silently, like some slasher villian that just emerged from the shadows. It was less dinosaur, more mindless movie monster. At least the Rexs in 2 had a reason to act aggressively and attack the main characters
The thing I disliked the most about 3 was that it used the tropes and iconic elements of the franchise for humor rather than tension.
The gripping Rex attack and "it can't see if you don't move"? Played for laughs, as everyone runs in terror when Grant mentions it
The ringtone from the Spinosaur's stomach? Meant to be more funny rather tense, a poor replacement for the classic water ripples.
The plot device of a wealthy benefactor funding Grant's digs to get him on the island? Subverted for a joke, with the guy turning out to be a cheap liar
Even the animatronics looked cheap and not as threatening as previous movies
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Same with the CGI
Jawmuncher
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One of my biggest irks with Jurassic Park 3 was that damn Pteradon shadow over the logo.
Always bothers the hell out of me, it's so unneeded.
Always bothers the hell out of me, it's so unneeded.
Coreda
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If GAF had member's blogs this would make a nice entry.
shinobi602
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One thing that kind of irked me with JP3 was the overall intense aggressiveness of the Pteranodons. I mean they were seriously hostile...did that have any basis in fact/research? Weren't they fish eaters?
The Driver
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I'm actually kinda surprised this is still leading over the Star Wars trailer in views. I'm not trying to turn this into a Star Wars vs JW thing, Star Wars views will probably end up crushing, but I think it's a pretty good sign that there seems to be this much interest early on. It's even got more views than the Godzilla trailer has had up to this point a less than a week after launch.
That's where I stand. To me there's no single element or even a handful of moments that brings it down; it's pretty much everything, down to the basics of directing and writing.
Yeah, Jurassic Park has been called "The Star Wars of my generation" by different people born in the late 80's and 90's (including myself) so it's kind of cool to see everyone stand and at least be curious enough to take a look, even after JP3 and the general dwindling of interest in dinosaurs as a subject matter.
Helps a little that Starlord is starring in it too
CitizenCope
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I agree. Just saw it and wow this looks bad imo. The brief acting in the trailer was cringe worthy.
More_Badass
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It is for me. Jurassic Park came out when I was 1, so I didn't see it in theaters. But I was obsessed with dinosaurs as a kid, so 1 and 2 were my favorite movies ever for many years. I'm more excited about Jurassic World than a new Star Wars, that's for sureThat's where I stand. To me there's no single element or even a handful of moments that brings it down; it's pretty much everything, down to the basics of directing and writing.
Yeah, Jurassic Park has been called "The Star Wars of my generation" by different people born in the late 80's and 90's (including myself) so it's kind of cool to see everyone stand and at least be curious enough to take a look, even after JP3 and the general dwindling of interest in dinosaurs as a subject matter.
Helps a little that Starlord is starring in it too
Let's see... horrendous CGI and Dino-monsters with a heavy slathering of emphasis on the monsters element. Actually screw the dinos, it's a genetically man made monster that may as well have nothing to do with dinos. But the disinterest in portraying actual dinos was obvious since it was revealed that there would be no feathers.
Superfist got it
Spinosaur wasn't the problem with JP3, it was merely a symptom of the whole godawful production. They made it as the "crutch" or fallback to try and keep things moving in an already stupid situation.
I just can't believe for a movie the best they could come up with is this:
"Dr. Allan Grant gets tricked by two parents who really suck as parents and have no money to go to the island he's never been to just to save their kid who was illegally paragliding on the island with mommy's bang on the side. They are chased by a tenacious Spinosaur who keeps popping up out of nowhere for some reason and Raptors who tail them because Grant's stupid assistant stole their eggs. The audience should be rooting for their escape, but instead wish the Dinos would hurry up and eat them all"
Spinosaur wasn't the problem with JP3, it was merely a symptom of the whole godawful production. They made it as the "crutch" or fallback to try and keep things moving in an already stupid situation.
I just can't believe for a movie the best they could come up with is this:
"Dr. Allan Grant gets tricked by two parents who really suck as parents and have no money to go to the island he's never been to just to save their kid who was illegally paragliding on the island with mommy's bang on the side. They are chased by a tenacious Spinosaur who keeps popping up out of nowhere for some reason and Raptors who tail them because Grant's stupid assistant stole their eggs. The audience should be rooting for their escape, but instead wish the Dinos would hurry up and eat them all"
Star Wars trailer viewings have been split across the iTunes video, which was heavily promoted before the release, and two separate Youtube videos. One is official, one is from a trailer site.
The Jurassic World trailer is just the one Youtube video from Universal Studios.
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Wow those dopey eyes... That's more like Barney territory right there!
Superfist got it
Spinosaur wasn't the problem with JP3, it was merely a symptom of the whole godawful production. They made it as the "crutch" or fallback to try and keep things moving in an already stupid situation.
I just can't believe for a movie the best they could come up with is this:
"Dr. Allan Grant gets tricked by two parents who really suck as parents and have no money to go to the island he's never been to just to save their kid who was illegally paragliding on the island with mommy's bang on the side. They are chased by a tenacious Spinosaur who keeps popping up out of nowhere for some reason and Raptors who tail them because Grant's stupid assistant stole their eggs. The audience should be rooting for their escape, but instead wish the Dinos would hurry up and eat them all"
Yeah I never caught this one in theaters since I wasn't really into dinos at the time, but I was still curious and rented it. I was just like "...huh..." I mean the Spino still looked pretty cool and all, but that "it" factor just wasn't there.My friends at the time were like "it's worth I watch I guess just to see some dinos attack" so was just seen as a small-scale popcorn flick.
It was interesting though, years later when I finally picked up both novels and read them, and saw that scenes like the Pterasaur cage happened. There was some egg theft there too in Lost World, I believe. The books and movies were really night and day, and I wouldn't say either is better over the other. They both have their pros and cons (and I freakin hated Lex's book rendition!)
Oh right, he did make an ironic appearance
But seriously, the irony in that whole scene was too much for the series...I still can't believe they thought this was a good idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s9sjPzyQjk
But it shows how seriously (not) they were taking this film. Like you said it seemed like it was treated just as a quickie dino flick. All the situations the characters find themselves in feel like they were leftover ideas that went unused in The Lost World or even retreads of similar stuff that happened in JP2 (one example was the two hanging vehicles in both films).
I guess it felt like JP2.5, well, not even that much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s9sjPzyQjk
But it shows how seriously (not) they were taking this film. Like you said it seemed like it was treated just as a quickie dino flick. All the situations the characters find themselves in feel like they were leftover ideas that went unused in The Lost World or even retreads of similar stuff that happened in JP2 (one example was the two hanging vehicles in both films).
I guess it felt like JP2.5, well, not even that much.
Worst movie scene of all time.
ROUGE_BLOCK
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I'm sure this was already posted and I missed it (also sorry to interrupt JP3 bashing, but well deserved and absolutely terrible movie) and its already a couple people's avatars.
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/804...11/Jurassic-World-T-Rex-1.jpg?w=630&cdnnode=1
At least they are going to incorporate the original T-Rex from the first movie. I think a full fledged fight between it and the Diabolus Rex would make a cool conclusion.
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/804...11/Jurassic-World-T-Rex-1.jpg?w=630&cdnnode=1
At least they are going to incorporate the original T-Rex from the first movie. I think a full fledged fight between it and the Diabolus Rex would make a cool conclusion.
Yeah, that's been shown and it is very cool to see they're keeping continuity by having the old T-Rex still around, scars and all. Director Trevorrow also stated that the Rex will indeed be shown in the film (not sure if it will be this Rex, but it seems likely) of course.
A good fight between it and the D/I-Rex would certainly make up for that godawful Rex showing in JP3 (returning to bashing that film now)
A good fight between it and the D/I-Rex would certainly make up for that godawful Rex showing in JP3 (returning to bashing that film now)
ROUGE_BLOCK
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Yeah, that's been shown and it is very cool to see they're keeping continuity by having the old T-Rex still around, scars and all. Director Trevorrow also stated that the Rex will indeed be shown in the film (not sure if it will be this Rex, but it seems likely) of course.
A good fight between it and the D/I-Rex would certainly make up for that godawful Rex showing in JP3 (returning to bashing that film now)
Oh that scene always bugged me so damn much. You have this massive showdown between the old star, the T-rex and the new one the Spinosaurus and you expect shit to get real.
Buuuutttttt.....
We get this rushed crappy fight where the T-Rex which should've won after clamping down on the Spino's neck, gets pulverized by the new "star". That's not even the worst part though, its that stupid cut-to right after the Spino roaring of Sam Neil punching the other's actor who's name escapes me into a tree. Like really? We go from half-assed fight to get the old "main attraction" out of the film for the new one and this is the scene you follow it up with?
Gah!
It's sad because he's wanted to direct a sequel since the first movie. He was making himself available for The Lost World, finally got his chance with JP3, but was somehow still in the running to direct JP4 for one of the earlier scripts. Imagine a dark version of this universe where Johnston got to direct three sequels to Jurassic Park.
Yeah, off the top of my head, all the big encounters save for the bird cage were rehashed or were "paid homage to" previous film's events. From what I remember:
Jeep in the tree = airplane in the tree
T-Rex attack at night in the rain = Spinosaur attack at night in the rain
Dig through dino shit to find poisonous plant = Dig through dino shit to find satellite phone
Raptor pack encounter in old abandoned building = Raptor pack encounter in old abandoned building
Return baby T-Rex to parents subplot = Return Raptor eggs to parents subplot
Grant's research is paid to get him to Jurassic Park = Grant's research is paid* to get him to Isla Sorna
* = He ultimately wasn't paid so he went to Isla Sorna without clearing the check beforehand because... reasons.
Phew, I'm good for some on-topic conversation amidst all this catharsis
It was a crazy realization when I saw the T-Rex on the website and wondered where the scars were from; and instantly got a flashback of the ending in Jurassic Park. For some reason it never occurred to me for a second that Jurassic World would house the original T-Rex, and that the film would take note of it. It's an incredibly cool idea and it makes me even more excited to see the T-Rex since I now know that it's the original Rex I first saw and admired in JP. A small, but super neat nod. Giddy as hell to finally see her official reveal, either in a future trailer or the film.
Jawmuncher
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Still curious as to how the other Dino's are going to get out. Can't think of anyway aside from the hurricane we saw on the screen but if they have been running 10 years that shouldn't be a issue.
Only other idea is someone lets the Dino's free again.
Only other idea is someone lets the Dino's free again.
Ghost Of Nedry
I dont want to live in that kind if world.
thehypocrite
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This looks like shit. Then again GOTG looks like shit also and made a bunch of money, so what do I know.
Cow Mengde
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Even the animatronics looked cheap and not as threatening as previous movies
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You compared a shot at night to a shot in the day time. One gif also has a much lower frame rate.
The second shot is even more ridiculous when you take a youtube thumbnail to compare. The T.rex wasn't CGI in that shot of the fight.
More_Badass
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Best I could find on Google unfortunately
And yeah the Rex was definitely CGI in that shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7tNqjsclhs
Pagusas
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Seriously watch the scene, even at a low frame rate it pretty much somes up the quality of that shot. There is no defending how miserably bad JP3 is, it sunk the franchise for years. Its nearly the equivalent to Batman & Robin.
Cow Mengde
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Yeah, the thumbnail threw me off, I was thinking of the other shot.
I'm not defending JP3, well I'm defending the effects, the movie was shit. Like I said, the shots were done during daytime. That's not entirely fair. JP3 had a lot of shots in daytime compared to the other 2 movies.
Demoncarnotaur
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I thought this was pretty cool:
I mean, the models were more heavily detailed and animated, but that forest fight scene was awful. They were practically glowing, and looked like their lighting was from another scene entirely. It was really, really weird.
I mean, the models were more heavily detailed and animated, but that forest fight scene was awful. They were practically glowing, and looked like their lighting was from another scene entirely. It was really, really weird.
I thought this was pretty cool:
I really like that scene. People gave it a lot of shit but I love the animation of the Mosasaur clamping its jaws on the shark. The slight delay and widening of the mouth before chomping, the flap of skin under its jaw that stretches and snaps back onto the creature, how the force of the bite made the creature lean slightly upwards. Good shit.
Thought the trailer looked great.
It always blows my mind to come into threads like these and hear all the nitpicking and negativity. It's a short trailer guys, the CG is obviously going to be tightened up (though I saw no problem with it) and it's far too early to predict how the story will play out.
Be happy that we're getting a new Jurassic Park, it's about time.
It always blows my mind to come into threads like these and hear all the nitpicking and negativity. It's a short trailer guys, the CG is obviously going to be tightened up (though I saw no problem with it) and it's far too early to predict how the story will play out.
Be happy that we're getting a new Jurassic Park, it's about time.
I can see where the complaints come from. It's a slow trailer with only a couple shots that are crowd-pleasers. Especially in comparison to the Star Wars trailer that just carpet bombs with nostalgia with Tie Fighters, X-Wings, Millenium Falcon, John William's booming theme song, etc. Compare that with Jurassic World's ambient first half and a slow (but beautiful) piano theme. As much as I liked it, it's the most subdued Jurassic Park trailer ever made so I'm not surprised at the response.
It was exciting enough for me, but it's going to take something more exciting and bombastic to hype the crowd.
They really ought to pay those guys. As a freelance illustrator myself, it's maddening to see people's work get plagiarized, a lot of times naively; which is sometimes even more depressing because some people don't even know that what they did was wrong. Stuff like Google image search, while incredibly helpful, also normalizes this kinda stuff. It's something that happens way more times than I can count. It comes down to production artists wanting to slap stuff together as quickly as possible, cutting corners and pulling shit like this.
brandonh83
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*covers mouth in shock*
I... Okay.
Jurassic World has the same thematic basis as Jurassic Park. Oh no, the horror?
He also mentions that Jurassic Park was his favorite movie as a kid and then harps on World. Not really sure what the point of the article is.
I thought this was pretty cool:
It doesn't make sense how close it is to the audience though.
The article seems like a Michael Crichton rant disguised as a criticism of Jurassic World. His "point" that Jurassic World will not be based on real science is like saying "Hey guys, it's gonna be a movie".
Green Mamba
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I think I had pointed out some copping of Wikipedia art on the prop pamphlet back when that was found, so the next step over isn't surprising. Seems the production has about as much respect for paleoart as it does paleontology.
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