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i dont like bringing it up...

but it always baffles/angers me more when black people are being unfair, bias or prejudicial like this.

this was embarrassing.
 
HAL9000 said:
So she mentioned criticism and he answered it. She later mentioned more criticism and he answered that. What's the problem?

I mean, I agree that it's not a perfect interview, but it's nowhere near being threadworthy.
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The fact that you have a supposed news station devolving their interviews into ad hominem attacks is all that needs to be said.

That line of questioning shouldn't even be engaged in by anyone who wants to claim legitimacy in terms of news reporting.

As Aslan pointed out, there are numerous scholars that have disagreements based on academic grounds but the fact that the interviewer instead only chose to focus on a line of attack - and it was an attack - that amounts to attacking the arguer to discredit the argument shows a blatant disregard for journalistic ethics and either incredible jouranalistoc imcompetence or at worse a clear agenda.

The fact you have a news network regularly engaging in this tactic IMO is very news worthy. This particular event in particulat is one of the most clear and blatant examples of this poor faux-journalistic tactic this network uses on a very regular and consistent basis. Very thread worthy to me.
 
Aslan: "My hundred-pages of end-notes cites every scholar who disagrees with me and every scholar who agrees with me..."

Interviewer: "We're not talking about just people who disagree with you. Many scholars disagree with you as well."

You don't say.

I swear... it feels like the interviewer is just using Aslan's speaking time as a chance for her to think about what to say next, instead of actually listening to what he's saying.
 
Zebra said:
Aslan: "My hundred-pages of end-notes cites every scholar who disagrees with me and every scholar who agrees with me..."

Interviewer: "We're not talking about just people who disagree with you. Many scholars disagree with you as well."

You don't say.

I swear... it feels like the interviewer is just using Aslan's speaking time as a chance for her to think about what to say next, instead of actually listening to what he's saying.
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Ironically enough, I think this would be the definition of "Gotcha Journalism." It just doesn't work if the person actually knows about the subject. Doesn't make their opinion or findings more correct, but she was trying to trap him when the guy is way out of her league.

It's like when a freshmen tries to correct a professor in class. They have all the right in the world to bring up their point, but it rarely ends well.
 
I thought it was pronounced Zee a lot.

I love it when FOX anchors get bitchslapped left and right, they start stuttering and don't know how to handle reality.
 
~Devil Trigger~ said:
i dont like bringing it up...

but it always baffles/angers me more when black people are being unfair, bias or prejudicial like this.

this was embarrassing.
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Some, but not all, POC conservative pundits and politicians feel a need to outdo their white counterparts in terms of ideology. See: Alan Keyes, Allan West.

Maybe she just wanted to outdo the Fox Blondes.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
This is frankly ridiculous.

His faith and background is of course relevant (to which he outlines before the Prologue). But this entire debate began when she decided that his faith was more relevant than his academic credibility.

Of course she would have been well within her rights to ask to what degree his Muslim faith influenced the content, but the issue here isn't so much whether or not he advertised that more or ifs Muslim faith had played a role, but rather question: should a non-Christian be able to have any credibility to author a book on Christianity regardless of his or her academic credentials to do so? That is the crux of the matter here.
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And it's idiotic. That's like saying fox has no room to criticize or even speak about Democrats because they aren't Democrats or aren't apolitical beings.

Fox and the interviewer certainly would be making the same arguments Aslan was making if they were on the receiving end of such a blatantly stupid line of attack. Which is what partially makes this interviews sincerity so laughable in its patheticness.

There is absolutely no line of credibility in that line of assumption, and combined with the rest of the interview shows pretty blatantly this wasn't so much an interview but a segment meant to advance a certain narrative and agenda. Interviews involve informed responses, feedback, follow up, and poignant discussion. This had none of that from the interviewers side.
 
Incredible. She ended the interview with, "Thank you for coming on for the debate."

What debate? I thought this is an discussion on the book?
 
I'm sure all of Fox News' experts on Islam they bring out are atheists. Good grief. One does not need to be a devout follower of someone to find them fascinating and research them. The way he talks about Jesus though, he clearly is enamored with the story, facts and mythos surrounding the man, and his religion does not discredit his freedom of speech and the ability to study him.

Row said:
Oh wow, check out all the 1-star reviews on amazon from the same kind of people that watch fox news. Some "highlights"
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The ones that unnerve me are the ones that are styled to act like they actually read it and are critiquing it.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1TJRN...006922X&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=#wasThisHelpful

Was hoping for fresh perspective, perhaps some new archaeological insight, or even controversial new ideas. Sadly, nothing to resemble that here.

While reading, I kept thinking the opinions espoused sounded like old Islamic political propaganda that was spread more the a millennium ago with the expansionist aims of muslim conquests into traditionally Christian regions. Google search confirmed my suspicion the Mr. Aslan is indeed an devout Muslim apologist.

But, why the charade of a supposed objective historian? Why lie? Why deceive? I suppose the reason is that most people wouldn't go to Benjamin Netanyahu for insights on the prophet Mohammed, or the Dalai Lama for a historical opinion of Joseph Smith. Only problem is, this little deception leaves the reader with no joy. I wish I had my money back. Or, better yet, I wish I could reclaim the time wasted on this book. <sigh>.
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Towards the end his tone was that of someone who is talking to someone under the age of 5.

And she still didn't get it.
 
erpg said:
I.... I don't really know how to respond other than to repeat myself and the quoted post.

"He established that his opinions differ greatly from the general Muslim doctrine and that he is building his opinion based on his interpretation and research. The line of questioning continues to follow the same "but you're a Muslim" line. His faith isn't relevant."

I mean, if you think it's perfectly fine to continue a line of questioning that is clarified as being irrelevant and false just because she has a few more quotes to go through, that's... cool I suppose. Maybe she could have brought up all those Amazon reviews that argue he isn't a historian and never earned a PhD. Someone said it, so why not bring it up?
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I also just have to repeat myself. He said that his faith was irrelevant and she explained why she brought it up, this went on for too long, sure, but it's nowhere near noteworthy or "an embarrassing fox new moment".
 
Just saw this guy on Real Time last night, loved how her tore her a new one with his credentials. He was very articulate on Real Time, not surprised to see him have his way with Fox.
 
HAL9000 said:
I also just have to repeat myself. He said that his faith was irrelevant and she explained why she brought it up, this went on for too long, sure, but it's nowhere near noteworthy or "an embarrassing fox new moment".
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The interviewer showed a complete lack of preparation, an ethically and logically bankrupt line of reasoning in her questioning of the author, a clear agenda and an inability to follow the basic tenants of either debate or interviewing. Of which this debacle ultimately qualified as neither.

It is only NOT noteworthy or embarrassing because it is such commonplace on Fox "news" that it's almost expected.

Her reasoning for bringing up that question could have been vetted by a high schooler - who would of known to either tell the interviewer to find better supporting evidence or throw the questions the fuck out as poisoning the well followed by poor ad hominem attacks and association fallacies make the user look idiotic and incompetent to anyone with a working brain.
 
HAL9000 said:
I also just have to repeat myself. He said that his faith was irrelevant and she explained why she brought it up, this went on for too long, sure, but it's nowhere near noteworthy or "an embarrassing fox new moment".
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It went on for too long because those were her questions and that was what they (writers, producers, whatever) wanted to talk about. And that is embarrassing.
 
~Devil Trigger~ said:
i dont like bringing it up...

but it always baffles/angers me more when black people are being unfair, bias or prejudicial like this.

this was embarrassing.
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What? Being black has nothing to do with this, she is a human being first who happens to work at fox news. This should'nt baffle you at all. Anyone who works at fox should be implied that they are blindly biased towards conservative viewers.
 
It's stupid yea, but seriously? Is this all you got against Fox news? I see worse shit then this once a week on MSNBC.

That said it's pretty funny. I especially like how when she repeats the question the second time he basically says the same thing more slowly. Good on him, she's an idiot.
 
Tylahedras said:
It's stupid yea, but seriously? Is this all you got against Fox news? I see worse shit then this once a week on MSNBC.

That said it's pretty funny. I especially like how when she repeats the question the second time he basically says the same thing more slowly. Good on him, she's an idiot.
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Please shows us this worst stuff you see at msnbc. I always see this talking point brought up in fox news is doing something dumb again threads. I honestly think it's just deflection for people who regularly watch fox news and don't like their network being shit on.
 
She's an idiot for not doing her research and FoxNews is a terrible channel for having and agenda where a "war on reporting" is something they wear proudly on their sleeves.

I'm encouraged to check out Reza's book now that it's on my radar.
 
IGSaint said:
Please shows us this worst stuff you see at msnbc. I always see this talking point brought up in fox news is doing something dumb again threads. I honestly think it's just deflection for people who regularly watch fox news.
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Furthermore it doesn't actually make foxnews look good. As another poster pointed out, It just argues that another station is just as devoid of ethical integrity and abscent of journalistic credibility as foxnews.

MSNBC is certainly partisan, and certainly has some sketchy editorial pieces that teeter on idiotic in their reasoning and level of academic value but I havent seen the wholesale disregard of facts and blatant propaganda that I've seen with foxnews. It's a different type of partisan, worthy of criticism in its own right, but not really a one for one comparison to foxnews.

Ultimately it's just shitty that we don't actually have a legitimately credible or respectable cable news station in this country. Seeing as all three have critical flaws that are hard to over look. When major news events happen its really just pick your poison: the sensationalist center left one, the sensationalist establishment conservative one, the sensationalist one ran by buffoons and ratings whores that is too scared to be an actual news station.
 
IGSaint said:
Please shows us this worst stuff you see at msnbc. I always see this talking point brought up in fox news is doing something dumb again threads. I honestly think it's just deflection for people who regularly watch fox news and don't like their network being shit on.
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Well outside of Billy Goat Reilly's recent thing about race, which I saw on youtube, I haven't seen fox news in probably 8 years. I'm just saying, if you want to make them look bad, then you need to find better fodder then this. And no I'm not going to have a quote war with you about which network has said more stupid things. I don't know or care, but as someone subjected to years of Chris Mathews by his parents I can say, without a shred of doubt that this is nothing when it comes to making an ass of yourself.
 
He didn't even mention that he was a Christian evangelist in his teens and that he's the one that converted his mother to a Christian, which he did say she was.

What a trooper.

As I posted elsewhere, I feel really bad for the anchor. You know she went to journalism school full of passion and ideals and wanting to change the world and bring truth to people. Now she reads some inane BS off cue cards.
 
Battersea Power Station said:
He didn't even mention that he was a Christian evangelist in his teens and that he's the one that converted his mother to a Christian, which he did say she was.

What a trooper.

As I posted elsewhere, I feel really bad for the anchor. You know she went to journalism school full of passion and ideals and wanting to change the world and bring truth to people. Now she reads some inane BS off cue cards.
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Well actually according to her biography she is a former miss minnesota contestant who graduated with a degree in piano performance and started off as a local general assignment anchor in Minnesota and then moved up to foxnews as a daily update reporter for fox and friends. Then for some reason foxnews saw her as the most fitting candidate and decided to promote her to the title of "religion correspondant" at foxnews.

She might be a good person but she certainly isn't a good or quality anchor or interviewer based on her performance here.
 
I'm embarrassed inside every time I visit my family and they're watching Fox News. Not because of their political affiliation, but the irrational thought process that led to them accepting Fox News as anything other than for profit political theater, mentally bankrupt garbage.
 
I just think Fox News can't fathom the idea of an educated and articulate Muslim.

Fox News are to Broadcast Journalism what Dr Suess is to Medicine.
 
Battersea Power Station said:
Oh, God, is that true? I take my empathy back. She and Fox News are a blight on intellectualism.
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Kinda sums up foxnews pretty well if you ask me. Style over substance, beauty over intelligence. Hollow anchors with hollow titles feigning hollow expertise, used as a means to promote a top-down, corporate structured narrative, built around a partisan agenda.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/personalities/lauren-green/bio/#s=e-g

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Green
 
LMAO at his slow-talking to her. He must think she is the dumbest person ever

Watching it all the way to the end, yeah this was a disaster for that lady. Wow....
 
His calm demeanor and eloquence really makes the moment. A guy who got flustered or angry would have fallen into the Faux News trap
 
Meus Renaissance said:
GREEN: This is an interesting book. Now I want to clarify, you’re a Muslim, so why did you write a book about the founder of Christianity?

ASLAN: Well to be clear, I am a scholar of religions with four degrees — including one in the New Testament, and fluency in biblical Greek, who has been studying the origins of Christianity for two decades — who also just happens to be a Muslim. So it’s not that I’m just some Muslim writing about Jesus, I am an expert with a Ph.D in the history of religions…

GREEN: But it still begs the question why would you be interested in the founder of Christianity?

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Woooooooooooooooooooow lol
 
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