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[I am Michael Bolton]

I've never gone to Chick but I wouldn't have a problem going there even though I find their stace on gay rights to be repugnent. Is it anymore acceptable to be against child slavery/labe/etc while buying Apple products?
Any worse than being for unions and small business but shopping at Walmart? Almost every corporation has done terrible things. Chick is just one more.

 

[McLovin]

Easy for me to ignore them since I've never eaten there. Probably never will.

 

[Cipherr]

Spicy Chicken is fucking godly. Love it. Churches isn't even in the same league.

 

[Gospel]

They make some tasty-ass stuff. I remember my first time eating there like it was yesterday. The cute blonde waitress girl, the waffle fries, the ketchup packet...man, it was all so sensual.

 

[CornBurrito]

I've never gone to Chick but I wouldn't have a problem going there even though I find their stace on gay rights to be repugnent. Is it anymore acceptable to be against child slavery/labe/etc while buying Apple products?
Any worse than being for unions and small business but shopping at Walmart? Almost every corporation has done terrible things. Chick is just one more.

Meh. Some people don't attempt to be perfect, and would rather do something small than nothing at all.

 

[DominoKid]

People actually stand in line for half an hour for fast food? What!? Are you the only place in your town?

eh that's normal for Chick-Fil-A in my town during peak hours and we got like 5 of em.

 

[JordanLMiller]

Yeah, it's pretty good.

 

[Matugi]

If you guys live in Florida or North Carolina, you have to try PDQ.

gat dayum

 

[Darkman M]

Deluxe spicy chicken sandwich and a 4 count chicken strip with chick-fila sauce please, their milkshakes are nice too.

 

[oni_saru]

Those chicken sandwhichs were delicious.

I do miss them. It was my fav fast food place. But once I found out all the money they donated to anti-gay groups, I just couldn't continue to go and support them. So stopped buying from them.

 

[Slayven]

eh that's normal for Chick-Fil-A in my town during peak hours and we got like 5 of em.

We tried to hit them up one Football Friday night before the game. We would have been there forever.

 

[injurai]

i only ever see these in food courts

 

[bcl0328]

i just had some too! it was amazing as always.

 

[M-PG71C]

Read this thread, got me a spicy chicken sandwich with waffle fries. Too damn good.

 

[RobotMafia]

eh that's normal for Chick-Fil-A in my town during peak hours and we got like 5 of em.

You must live in one fat fucking town. Jesus that is sad.

 

[gohepcat]

One of the few places that I will actively avoid because of their stance on something. Weird.

I think the images of the place filled with homophobic assholes celebrating bigotry a few years ago just was too much.

 

[kudosx]

I used to enjoy their food, but I don't support homophobes.

Last I checked they still provided the same level of service to homo's as they do straights. It's not like they will poison you for being gay.

 

[slit]

I have no idea what the big deal is about their food. It's not bad, but it's nowhere near as good as a lot around here make it out to be.

 

[kudosx]

I have no idea what the big deal is about their food. It's not bad, but it's nowhere near as good as a lot around here make it out to be.

Dairy Queen has a better spicy chicken sandwich.

McDonald's southern style is better tasting but significantly smaller chicken breast.

 

[IrishNinja]

Yeah, the owners' views are homophobic, but guess what? Not going to be hypocrite and stop buying the clothes, shoes, games, cell phones and etc.

this all-or-nothing logical fallacy is one of the dumbest ones to make the rounds so often here in OT, as though one's priorities/weight on a particular cause, the boldness with which a corporation like CFA opposes it etc should all be equal and if you can't appease everyone else's priorities as well, it's better to not do anything, lest you be a hypocrite.

enjoy your chicken if you want man, but this isn't the kind've mentality that a rational grown-up should possess, for reasons that should be obvious when actually applying it. i think it was stumps that used this one a while back: you've got a very large house, with many rooms of varying size...all of which are dirty. do you:

a) clean the easiest one first, hoping to gain momentum as you go
b) recognize your inability to clean everything simultaneously, so resolve not to do anything at all

i get why some think others are on a high horse or the like here, i guess - but championing option b (much less insulting someone for not doing likewise) is ridiculous.

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

this all-or-nothing logical fallacy is one of the dumbest ones to make the rounds so often here in OT, as though one's priorities/weight on a particular cause, the boldness with which a corporation like CFA opposes it etc should all be equal and if you can't appease everyone else's priorities as well, it's better to not do anything, lest you be a hypocrite.

enjoy your chicken if you want man, but this isn't the kind've mentality that a rational grown-up should possess, for reasons that should be obvious when actually applying it. i think it was stumps that used this one a while back: you've got a very large house, with many rooms of varying size...all of which are dirty. do you:

a) clean the easiest one first, hoping to gain momentum as you go
b) recognize your inability to clean everything simultaneously, so resolve not to do anything at all

i get why some think others are on a high horse or the like here, i guess - but championing option b (much less insulting someone for not doing likewise) is ridiculous.

I agree with this sentiment but I just find folks who rail against Chick while not having a problem with financially supporting the other terrible companies to be extremely hypocritical. I don't live in an area where Chick-fil-A exists so it's quite easy for me to not eat there. If I did though, I'd personally feel like a hypocrite for choosing to not ignore their evil while being painfully aware of the evils of Walmart, Apple, etc., and still choosing to buy their products.

 

[CornBurrito]

I agree with this sentiment but I just find folks who rail against Chick while not having a problem with financially supporting the other terrible companies to be extremely hypocritical. I don't live in an area where Chick-fil-A exists so it's quite easy for me to not eat there. If I did though, I'd personally feel like a hypocrite for choosing to not ignore their evil while being painfully aware of the evils of Walmart, Apple, etc., and still choosing to buy their products.

Yes it may be hypocritical, but so what? A hypocrite is not the worst thing you can be.

 

[Korey]

I agree with this sentiment but I just find folks who rail against Chick while not having a problem with financially supporting the other terrible companies to be extremely hypocritical. I don't live in an area where Chick-fil-A exists so it's quite easy for me to not eat there. If I did though, I'd personally feel like a hypocrite for choosing to not ignore their evil while being painfully aware of the evils of Walmart, Apple, etc., and still choosing to buy their products.

It's much easier to not eat at one food place, than boycott a company like Apple.

As a person, you're allowed to pick and choose your battles. Just because you boycott one thing doesn't mean you have to boycott everything. Conversely, just because you don't boycott something doesn't mean you can't boycott anything else.

Chick-Fil-A is an easy one.

 

[RELAYER]

Yes it may be hypocritical, but so what? A hypocrite is not the worst thing you can be.

Except when it comes to religion, and then when you're a hypocrite because you don't stone people, you lose your right to call yourself a person of faith.

 

[djplaeskool]

Spicy Chicken sandwich with Polynesian sauce is my ambrosia.

 

[Timeless]

I don't have to have much of a moral quandary because I don't like their food that much. Yay me?

 

[CornBurrito]

Except when it comes to religion, and then when you're a hypocrite because you don't stone people, you lose your right to call yourself a person of faith.

Wut...?

 

[Chibits12]

Their waffle fries are amazing, they taste so good when hot and fresh.

 

[1upmuffin]

At the midnight release of Super Smash Brothers Brawl they gave away free Chik-fil-A sandwiches and they were pretty good. Only ate their food once or twice besides that.

 

[IrishNinja]

I agree with this sentiment but I just find folks who rail against Chick while not having a problem with financially supporting the other terrible companies to be extremely hypocritical. I don't live in an area where Chick-fil-A exists so it's quite easy for me to not eat there. If I did though, I'd personally feel like a hypocrite for choosing to not ignore their evil while being painfully aware of the evils of Walmart, Apple, etc., and still choosing to buy their products.

sure, but again, as all things are subjective:
1) the evils you feel wal-mart, apple, etc cause, to what extent do you prioritize them?
2) though sometimes hard to quantify, what % of the company's revenue/efforts go towards such causes? for me, here CFA is particularly terrible in my mind because Dan backs lobbyists who supported such awful shit as the hate bill in Uganda - coupled with the fact he sings his support from the heavens.

i mean, here we could argue the extent that people are aware of your wal-mart, apple & many more lesser-known examples, but i don't think CFA affords much ignorance with the pride they take in such activity. again, for me, that makes it even harder to give my dollar.

3) using stumps' prior example, i don't think it's wrong to take convenience into account: Korey pretty much nailed this bit, but yeah, there's alternatives to CFA (and none in your area either), if i say worked somewhere that used apple equipment or otherwise just needed their products it'd be harder to weigh my subjective moral priorities with the other ones in my life.

what i'm saying is that i don't get why so many in these discussions decide to highlight consistency as not only the greatest moral value possible, but in an instance where one is unable to do so, it'd be preferable not to try for any others. people are eager to throw around words like hypocrite way too easily in instances like this; again if the best defense there is "you couldn't address all things equally & consistently" then that sounds like a somewhat interesting point to be raised in an issue of Superman, not in my life.

 

[Androidsleeps]

Fuck them for the homophobic shit, but are they branching outside of US anytime soon? I would love to try their food..see what all this fuss is about

 

[TAJ]

I've never gone to Chick but I wouldn't have a problem going there even though I find their stace on gay rights to be repugnent. Is it anymore acceptable to be against child slavery/labe/etc while buying Apple products?
Any worse than being for unions and small business but shopping at Walmart? Almost every corporation has done terrible things. Chick is just one more.

Whatever. There are no ethical phone manufacturers. What are you going to do, not have a phone?
Meanwhile, there are a shitload of other fast food options, practically all of them better.

 

[Stumpokapow]

this all-or-nothing logical fallacy is one of the dumbest ones to make the rounds so often here in OT, as though one's priorities/weight on a particular cause, the boldness with which a corporation like CFA opposes it etc should all be equal and if you can't appease everyone else's priorities as well, it's better to not do anything, lest you be a hypocrite.

enjoy your chicken if you want man, but this isn't the kind've mentality that a rational grown-up should possess, for reasons that should be obvious when actually applying it. i think it was stumps that used this one a while back: you've got a very large house, with many rooms of varying size...all of which are dirty. do you:

a) clean the easiest one first, hoping to gain momentum as you go
b) recognize your inability to clean everything simultaneously, so resolve not to do anything at all

i get why some think others are on a high horse or the like here, i guess - but championing option b (much less insulting someone for not doing likewise) is ridiculous.

Yes, it was me.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40055544&postcount=658

Okay, and this company happens to be exceptionally bad amongst all of them because of how brazenly they wear their hurtful values on their sleeves, and exceptionally easy to boycott because they don't actually make a good product and they have enormous amounts of competition?

Shit, man, if your house is messy, you pick a room and start with it. You don't say "Why am I starting with this one and not that one." Start somewhere, do the best you can until you're satisfied. Lots of people would pick a room that's easiest to clean and messiest to look at right now.

But this was my better post in the thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40056754&postcount=759

[Is it about convenience or about principles?] It's both, duh? Imagine you believe factory farming is cruel, so you want to move away from animal products. It's easier to give up leather boots than it is to give up all meat. It's easier to give up meat if you live in a place with access to fresh alternatives than if you live in Northern Alaska. It's easier to give up red meat than to give up poultry and fish. It's easier to go vegetarian than vegan. It's easier to curb your personal meat consumption than refuse to eat meat in all social cases. This doesn't mean giving up leather shoes makes you a hypocrite or an asshole. It means that's where you started.

You try to be the best person you can be. You start with low hanging fruit. You try to improve the person you are consistently. You weigh each decision on its own. You admit you're imperfect. But you try to be better. New information helps you make new decisions. And beyond your decisions, you share the information you have with others and take part in a cultural conversation to change the way others look at things.

In the same way, giving to one charity doesn't mean you don't recognize the merit of others; choosing to give a percentage of your salary to charity doesn't mean you're a hypocrite for using the rest of your salary on yourself; volunteering for a few hours a week doesn't mean you're a jerk for taking pay the rest of the time; giving money to one homeless person doesn't mean you have to give money to all of them.

I give some money to charity, I volunteer some time, I try to recycle more and throw out less, I want to start composting, I try to repair things instead of throwing them out, I try to donate or resell everything I can instead of throwing it out, I take part in work-related fundraising stuff, I pick energy efficient stuff when I can, I walk instead of drive when I can, I try to avoid the things that I speak out against and don't support companies that I don't agree with on a variety of issues, I vote, I try to give money to candidates and parties who I believe have a chance to make the world a better place (even if they're not perfect and hold stances that bug me as well), I read as much as I can. I could do a lot better at all of these things. Hopefully I'm doing better this year than I did last year. It's possible that other concerns will get in my way--a money or quality of life crunch or an unexpected pregnancy or a bad winter or who knows what--and if they do, I'll try to rebalance my life to reflect that.

Life's a process.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

If you guys live in Florida or North Carolina, you have to try PDQ.

gat dayum

i miss living in Florida.

 

[ZoddGutts]

Good vid considering what's going on this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuuHEe3M1Zs

 

[Smellycat]

My favorite fastfood chain. I will miss it when I move up north.

Their chicken is AMAZING. And don't get me started on their sauces (THAT Chick-Fil-A sauce)

Have you guys tried their milk shakes? Peach Milkshake, Banana Pudding, Oreo shake SO GOOD

If you guys live in Florida or North Carolina, you have to try PDQ.

gat dayum

PDQ is quite good. But it doesn't have that wow factor that Chick Fil A does. I think it is because Chick-Fil-A uses peanut oil. Also, their shakes are horrible.

 

[VanWinkle]

Truly some of the best chicken I've EVER tasted. I go eat one of their spicy chicken sandwiches every couple of weeks. So good. And their other food is good too. Their milkshakes/ice cream cones are fantastic.

 

[Nameless]

They have one of the best chicken salad sandwiches money can buy.

 

[Slayven]

I never fucked with their milkshakes, but i think i will get one next week. DQ or SOnics have been my go to shake place.

 

[computers putin']

It's hard to support a company that's so brazen about it's hate. I do try to not support companies with shitty practices like Chick-fil-A, though it's hard considering some things are necessities and there aren't always viable alternatives available, but it's better than doing nothing out of fear of being a hypocrite. but..

Their food is great. The Spicy Chicken Deluxe is my favorite. And the Banana Pudding Milkshake needs to be a year-round menu item. So good.

Obviously I find the Cathy family's position on SSM reprehensible, but honestly, we're approaching the point of no return. Nationwide gay marriage is such an obvious inevitability that it seems almost silly to waste any indignation on them. They're a sad and pathetic bunch, and they'll be dragged into the future along with all the other dinosaurs.

this is a good point though admittedly.

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

It's much easier to not eat at one food place, than boycott a company like Apple.

As a person, you're allowed to pick and choose your battles. Just because you boycott one thing doesn't mean you have to boycott everything. Conversely, just because you don't boycott something doesn't mean you can't boycott anything else.

Chick-Fil-A is an easy one.

Well, that is true to a certain extent. Obviously it's much more difficult to boycott Apple if your job requires that you use Apple products. But if you're simply choosing to use Apple due to preference then it isn't that much of a difference than going to a restaurant due to enjoying the food there compared to other restaurants.

At the end it really is a personal decision. Would you fault someone who works at Chick-fil-A even if that person was pro gay rights? What if there were gay employees there? If they're simply working there due to a poor job market then it's no different than someone using Apple products due to their job requiring it.

I just don't think that people deserve to be shamed for eating at Chick-fil-A, buying Apple products, or shopping at Walmart. BTW, that statement isn't aimed at one person in this thread, rather it's in response to my own experience with certain folks who take issue with people supporting businesses that they deem to not be deserving of said business.

At the end of the day, almost every big corporation has skeletons and acts in a way that is unbecoming. It's almost impossible to avoid. I don't have a problem at all with publicly shaming the businesses and using public pressure to try and mold the companies into change but I just have a problem with taking issue with the customers who choose to shop there. Unless you agree with the message of the CEO of Chick-fil-A, I don't have a problem with someone continuing to eat there.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

When is Chick-Fill-A coming to Canada?







* que a pretentious post about "Canada doesn't support homophobe businesses."

 

[Aeriscloud]

$90 chicken sandwich? No, thanks.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Well, that is true to a certain extent. Obviously it's much more difficult to boycott Apple if your job requires that you use Apple products. But if you're simply choosing to use Apple due to preference then it isn't that much of a difference than going to a restaurant due to enjoying the food there compared to other restaurants.

RE: Tech stuff, from the last Chick-fil-A thread:
I kinda reject the comparison.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40069489&postcount=1059

I don't disagree with everything you're mentioning here as being problems. Apple, and consumer electronics as a whole, has a long way to go. However, I don't think they're 1:1 comparable. Apple has negative externalities in their business practices. It's not particularly clear that they're any worse than their competitors, and in some respects, they might be better (Apple Foxconn employees get paid better than other Foxconn contracts, the company has clearly focused a lot on getting more transparent about labour issues in China, on trying to improve things, etc.) It's not really clear there's an overnight solution. Apple has repeatedly mentioned that besides cost, there are a lot of other factors keeping manufacturing in China--being able to hire 100,000 people within a few weeks. Being able to set up a factory instantly. Being able to hire thousands of engineers to oversee stuff. I mean, this isn't a defence, it's a problem that needs to be solved. But it's an industry-wide negative externality that sort of needs to be solved gradually. Some of what you've identified has been solved--they cap hours worked far below 18 (I think it's 60 a week now?), and they're been getting better at enforcing violations of it. They don't allow child workers, the minimum age is creeping up, and they're getting better at enforcing violations of it (IIRC the recent labour group analysis of Apple did not report any underage workers, although I think the minimum age is 12 or 13 so obviously not yet to North American standards). Again, doesn't mean it's a solved problem, it means it's a problem that's being worked on.

Chick-Fil-A, by contrast, does not have a negative externality. Actually, they do, it's the cruel treatment of the chickens they source. But that's not what we're discussing. We're discussing them using the money they make from your business to support a negative cause completely and utterly non-related to their business. None of their competitors (again, except possible In-n-Out) do this. If you go and eat at Five Guys, they will not do this. If you go and eat at McDonalds', they will not do this. This specific thing, anti-LBGT issues, is incredibly uncommon in large companies, because large companies want to be pluralistic and not exclusionary.

At the end it really is a personal decision. Would you fault someone who works at Chick-fil-A even if that person was pro gay rights? What if there were gay employees there? If they're simply working there due to a poor job market then it's no different than someone using Apple products due to their job requiring it.

I just don't think that people deserve to be shamed for eating at Chick-fil-A, buying Apple products, or shopping at Walmart. BTW, that statement isn't aimed at one person in this thread, rather it's in response to my own experience with certain folks who take issue with people supporting businesses that they deem to not be deserving of said business.

RE: Is it ok to make a choice to eat there?

I agree with you that it's not my place to judge where someone chooses to place their priorities (although the people yelling "LOL I LOVE GAYS BUT I LOVE CHICKN MO'" are being pretty crass, I think), with the one asterisk that I think most people don't spend enough thinking about they way they contribute to big picture stuff. So I wouldn't think less of someone for choosing to eat Chick-fil-A, but definitely I'd think more of anybody who thinks at all about what they're doing and how it impacts stuff.

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

RE: Tech stuff, from the last Chick-fil-A thread:
I kinda reject the comparison.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40069489&postcount=1059




RE: Is it ok to make a choice to eat there?

I agree with you that it's not my place to judge where someone chooses to place their priorities (although the people yelling "LOL I LOVE GAYS BUT I LOVE CHICKN MO'" are being pretty crass, I think), with the one asterisk that I think most people don't spend enough thinking about they way they contribute to big picture stuff. So I wouldn't think less of someone for choosing to eat Chick-fil-A, but definitely I'd think more of anybody who thinks at all about what they're doing and how it impacts stuff.

Agree 100%

 

[StUnNeR H2K]

If it wasn't for the ridiculous lines I would probably eat there for lunch almost everyday, but trying to compete with the stay at home soccer mom's for a meal isn't fun

Good food, and the service is always A+

 

[JDeluis]

The peach shake they currently have is delicious!

 

[OldAsUrSock]

I used to enjoy their food, but I don't support homophobes.

They are not homophobic.

 

[ScrubJay]

Are their salads or soup any good? I got a gift card for them from my birthday and want to use it to try something that isn't the usual nugget and tender fare.

 

[NinjaMouse]

Couldn't give two craps about Dan Cathy's opinions...that dude makes a mean chicken sandwich. I'd eat there every day if I could. Heck, I almost did in college.