TheBaronOfNA
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You know why games tend to use mostly buttons? Or why motion controls are hated?
And many others not, Why is so difficult to understand that? And saying "Lolyoulackofskill" is condescending and kind of annoying.
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Kamiya Reacts To Wonderful 101 Reviews
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You know why games tend to use mostly buttons? Or why motion controls are hated?
And many others not, Why is so difficult to understand that? And saying "Lolyoulackofskill" is condescending and kind of annoying.
Supermanisdead
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okami was already a trilogy and it got another sequel!
Freezie KO
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It's much easier said than done to just say "don't draw there." Despite the slowdown, the extra time it takes to move your eyes off the TV to the GamePad is crucial. By taking things slow to avoid UI and control errors, I often lost my mid-air combo.
As for the demo, I played it. 4 times. I got Platinum on Normal. I think the core gameplay is great. That's why the controls are so disappointing. They were fine at first, when I just had to pull out a sword. But as I delved deeper into the combo system, switching rapidly or drawing secondary morphs mid-combo was just not fun. And I didn't feel it was my fault.
It's seriously frustrating to launch an enemy into the air with the sword and then try to draw a shape, only for nothing to happen. Then you look down, and it's because you pulled up a menu. Ain't nobody got time for that.
It's a shame that the game makes it so hard for players to draw the line.
Ken Masters
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When did I say this? In fact in this very thread I criticize gamers for this very point
Laughable that you can't see that I'm actually agreeing with many points you've made but your so fixed in your own view of what everyone thinks
It'd be nice to live in an imaginary utopia where people didn't pay attention to review scores, instead of a world where Obsidian got denied a bonus from Bethesda because Fallout: New Vegas scored an 84 instead of an 85 on Metacritic.
Review scores matter. It's shitty that they do, but they matter. They might not matter to you or me for a purchase, but both companies and consumers make decisions based on review scores.
Review scores matter. It's shitty that they do, but they matter. They might not matter to you or me for a purchase, but both companies and consumers make decisions based on review scores.
R
Retro_
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Bad thread.
Nah there are tons of people who cuss their fans out on the internet.. Just check out the S2games forums
It's just not as celebrated because it's generally not something that's very admirable.
I have all the respect for Kamiya in the world but I HATE his twitter persona. Attracts the worst kind of crowd
Nah there are tons of people who cuss their fans out on the internet.. Just check out the S2games forums
It's just not as celebrated because it's generally not something that's very admirable.
I have all the respect for Kamiya in the world but I HATE his twitter persona. Attracts the worst kind of crowd
You stated I had a flawed perspective and live in a fantasy, how am I supposed to interpret that along with you stating the actual scaling for game reviews doesn't exist/matter? My point is the scale does exist, and can count in many specific instances.
You write off the entire process entirely is what I took from your posts.
Wade Keller
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Why, so you too can enjoy complaining about people ignoring context while ignoring context?
Monocle
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Kamiya's games can't be experienced as they were designed to be without a significant investment of time and attention. Multiple playthroughs are necessary before their real depth and value are apparent, but reviewers on a deadline can't afford to do that. They're pretty much forced to base their reviews on a surface impression. From what I've seen, TW101 is a far more substantial package than your average reviewer can handle.
If the combat has any real complexity, you won't hear about it from game journalists. If the mechanics or controls have any degree of subtlety, it'll be completely lost on the majority of critics. I'm taking any and all complaints about the gameplay with a giant crystal of salt based on Kamiya's record of genre defining titles, which have always placed depth over accessibility.
If the combat has any real complexity, you won't hear about it from game journalists. If the mechanics or controls have any degree of subtlety, it'll be completely lost on the majority of critics. I'm taking any and all complaints about the gameplay with a giant crystal of salt based on Kamiya's record of genre defining titles, which have always placed depth over accessibility.
ProfessorMoran
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For people who may think that he is saying this only because Wonderful 101's scores, here is a tweet of 2010.
He seems actually quite thin-skinned, if he knows his game is truly amazing he wouldn't even have to worry about scores, didn't see him bitch about Okami's meta or GR average back in the PS2 days because it was an amazing fucking game, it was without peers on the PS2 and guess what? It had awesome, fluid controls, no fucking "learning curve" there, just good gaming. He should really worry about whether the game will sell like shit though if he hopes PG will continue to find publishing partners for its original IPs.
if he had twitter i think you would probably have seen kamiya do the same tbh
Boards of Canada
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Yeah, I thought I would hate the game. Played the demo. Turns out I know myself very well.
Okami got a 93 percent on Meta and Game Rankings and sold like shit.
Platinum Games will always make interesting titles that sell like shit, regardless of their metacritic score or quality.
ProfessorMoran
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Yeah my bad I forgot tears were probably just as salty back then.
yep this,
you can see this exact thing happen in the demo thread. It was basically its own meme.
Also there was a lot of hidden things shared in that thread, that most people didn't realize or figure out in their own play throughs. Most these reviews were probably done before the public demo hit, and all these Journos played this game on their own, in solitaire. So I am sure they gleamed over any depth, and intricacies. At least the ones who didn't full grasp the game, which is understandable.
Coffee Dog
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hey look, it's pretty much my opinion exactly.
Why would he be salty about a 93 metascore if he really did care? Is it that hard to believe that he really just doesn't give a damn about reviews?
He's been consistent on this subject matter.
I actually prefer Game Rankings to Metacritic.
That's how I've always seen it, and I take that into account when looking into a game. If something is "quirky" and gets over 80 percent, it's probably pretty damn good. If any AAA Hollywood style game gets something less than 80, it's probably horrible. And I skip almost all AAA games due to focus on story over gameplay. If the gameplay sucks, the game sucks IMHO.
Of course, then there's my own opinion. But I do look into reviews when deciding on a purchase.
That's how I've always seen it, and I take that into account when looking into a game. If something is "quirky" and gets over 80 percent, it's probably pretty damn good. If any AAA Hollywood style game gets something less than 80, it's probably horrible. And I skip almost all AAA games due to focus on story over gameplay. If the gameplay sucks, the game sucks IMHO.
Of course, then there's my own opinion. But I do look into reviews when deciding on a purchase.
From a few posts up:
For people who may think that he is saying this only because Wonderful 101's scores, here is a tweet of 2010.
He stated, as quoted in this thread, that he did not care about Bayonetta scores.
Coffee Dog
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Bayonetta got good scores because it's easy to understand the mechanics of and pretty simple.
Look at vanquish and MGR. Both got rated about what Wonderful 101 did.
My friends didn't care for the learning curve of the Vanquish demo. Then again, I'm like "well, you just jump to the side while targeting, and you go into slow mo. Watch your meter, because when it runs out, you're vulnerable".
But they're like "duhhhh". People have issues. No wonder games are so dumbed down anymore.
I didn't even bother loaning them the MGR demo. I can just imagine their confusion at Blade Mode.
And yes, one of them prefers sports games, and one of them prefers FPS.
But they're like "duhhhh". People have issues. No wonder games are so dumbed down anymore.
I didn't even bother loaning them the MGR demo. I can just imagine their confusion at Blade Mode.
And yes, one of them prefers sports games, and one of them prefers FPS.
what's so childish about his response to the review scores?
How is he acting childish if he doesn't care about reviews?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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It's like tennis, you often play at the pace of the person on the other side of the net.
He copy and pastes canned responses to things he gets. What's so childish about that. I've tweeted him a lot of tweets and he just replies with XD and
. I don't rage and act privileged and rant about how he didn't directly respond to me because he's a busy man who is kind enough to give at least some exposure to his fans and haters. I doubt English is something he's really familiar with so yeah sometimes the replies seem harsh but that's called misunderstanding. It's like the guys who tell him he's /V/'s king and he's like "what's V?"Mihael Mello Keehl
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"The game is hard! 6/10"
My friends didn't care for the learning curve of the Vanquish demo. Then again, I'm like "well, you just jump to the side while targeting, and you go into slow mo. Watch your meter, because when it runs out, you're vulnerable".
But they're like "duhhhh". People have issues. No wonder games are so dumbed down anymore.
I didn't even bother loaning them the MGR demo. I can just imagine their confusion at Blade Mode.
And yes, one of them prefers sports games, and one of them prefers FPS.
Jesus fuck, this thread is painful to read.
PAULINK
I microwave steaks.
Don't know if this is the proper place to talk about this (it's likely been brought up before)
What I don't get is why reviewers have to assign a specific Alphanumeric value to summarize their review. Each reviewer has different criteria in regards to assigning these values and each person who sees that number is going to interpret it differently. Combining all of them together and comparing them from eachother just seems... wrong. And then people like to have score wars by comparing numbers from different games from different reviewers. And then when someone rates it lower, the pitchforks are brought forth and the mob comes out like clock work. Every time.
Reviews are great to get a good impression on what a reviewer thought of a game but I just hate this metacritic world we live in, Would prefer the rating scale to be less ambiguous.
What I don't get is why reviewers have to assign a specific Alphanumeric value to summarize their review. Each reviewer has different criteria in regards to assigning these values and each person who sees that number is going to interpret it differently. Combining all of them together and comparing them from eachother just seems... wrong. And then people like to have score wars by comparing numbers from different games from different reviewers. And then when someone rates it lower, the pitchforks are brought forth and the mob comes out like clock work. Every time.
Reviews are great to get a good impression on what a reviewer thought of a game but I just hate this metacritic world we live in, Would prefer the rating scale to be less ambiguous.
What's REALLY painful is looking at sales charts. Ugh.
It's interesting how the main conversation in this thread is: what is Kamiya really thinking? Using his twitter account to try and psychoanalyze his thoughts and motivations seem's like a fool's errand to me. It becomes too much a case of people hearing what they want to hear.
Kamiya is a creator and designer. He expresses himself through his games. As with any title, that game will be released and speak for itself, not through a game critics mouth or numbers on a page. If a game has something interesting to offer, time will be the only critic that matters.
Kamiya is a creator and designer. He expresses himself through his games. As with any title, that game will be released and speak for itself, not through a game critics mouth or numbers on a page. If a game has something interesting to offer, time will be the only critic that matters.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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There are even bad scores for those two. Destructoid/Jim Sterling gave Vanquish a 5.
There are also 9s for TW101. If it was so bad how people want it to be, there would have been bad scores all around. In fact there is more positive reviews than negative ones.
TheRedSnifit
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Will wait for gamer reception. Metacritic's mysterious weighting system tends to make the score rather bottom-heavy, so I don't put much stock into it.
Huh? RE6 isn't even the best RE this generation, let alone the best TPS.
Huh? RE6 isn't even the best RE this generation, let alone the best TPS.
Freezie KO
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This game is so persecuted, it needs political asylum.
...what?
The only time you play tennis at your opponent's pace is when you don't actually want to win. The hell kind of metaphor was that?
If the world had more honor, it would be a better place.
I realize he means "honored," as in "flattered" but honor is an amazing word
We all know by now that scores and aggregates have little intrinsic meaning, and that it's the text that shows the merit of the review. Though of course, evaluating an apparent disconnect between score and review content is part of the package.
Hey its Dave Meltzer/Brera on a new account!
Actually read a review, then make a decision. The number means nothing without context.
Alx
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He's obvisouly right, and I can understand how annoying it can be to see years of hard work summarized in a simple number.
Besides, although scores are sometimes an interesting indication, they're not the first thing to consider when buying a game. Most of my favorite games got 7-8 rankings, and many 9-10 games left me completely uninterested, even in genres I like.
Besides, although scores are sometimes an interesting indication, they're not the first thing to consider when buying a game. Most of my favorite games got 7-8 rankings, and many 9-10 games left me completely uninterested, even in genres I like.
What a childish thing to say. Wah wah, he doesn't care about something i trust, he must be salty
I hate when people jump to the conclusion that steep learning curves and required skill acquisition are bad game design.
I guess they're not as appealing if it's the first game you've ever played and don't want to invest any time into it, but diversity is good. There should be games made for people who like a challenge and do have the time and inclination to hunker down and master a game.
From the little I played of this at PAX East, though, I wasn't a huge fan of the touch screen on the gamepad. After getting used to my iphone and ipad I wasn't really putting pressure on the screen and had problems getting things to register. Cheaping out on that hardware!
I guess they're not as appealing if it's the first game you've ever played and don't want to invest any time into it, but diversity is good. There should be games made for people who like a challenge and do have the time and inclination to hunker down and master a game.
From the little I played of this at PAX East, though, I wasn't a huge fan of the touch screen on the gamepad. After getting used to my iphone and ipad I wasn't really putting pressure on the screen and had problems getting things to register. Cheaping out on that hardware!
Dice
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People who say these things demonstrate overwhelming ignorance of RE6 to the point they can't be trusted. Especially when they so often easily gloss over the shortcomings of RE5 and Revelations.
As for other TPS it's like they aren't even trying except Binary Domain.
And 9-10 movies usually bombs in the box office. Everybody knows that 9-10 movies are artistic (and boring to most people).
People in gaming sites gives too much credit to review scores and zero credit to people. People just don't say "hey i have extra 60 bucks, lets look at metacritic and search for the highest ranked game and buy it".
Not to tease anyone, but is it even fair to let someone who sucks at a game review it on a high profile site? If a certain genre just isn't your forte, your review is going to be pretty irrelevant to anyone for whom it is. I know arguing against the relevancy of the concept of reviews at all is what most of this thread is already saying, but to the reviewers I ask what is even the purpose of writing it if it's not going to be very useful to anyone.
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