See, I gotta believe that this kinda-alright looking Killzone that everyone saw behind the curtains at GDC is actually the real game. Why would Sony go out of their way to show a crappy version of the game just to demonstrate edge? I mean this is the first demonstration in of the franchise in months and months (not counting the psp game), and they make a disclaimer that the footage does not represent the game? Sounds fishy to me. I mean why even use the killzone designs to show the engine if its going to make it look worse and everybody is going to conceive of the footage as the game anyway?
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Blasphemy said:
How shortly some people forget, especially when such lapses in memory conveniently excuses their biased presumptions. We all saw what met Motorstorm's appearance at GDC 2006, and the impressions are no different than the same reactions that some people have given in response to the unveiling behind the engine running Killzone 2. Motorstorm ended up lapping any racer on the market, and any coming in the near future, when it comes to sheer graphical splendor. I fully expect Killzone 2 to see similar progress. It may fall short of its trailer, which I'll admit Motorstorm is guilty of doing, but I fully expect the graphics to surpass anything in the genre with convincing results.
Pusha said:
Yeah I see one of two things happening. Either we get a nice looking, maybe 85% on par with the original e3 trailer Killzone 2 (kinda like motorstorm turned out), which ends up being so so gameplay and feature wise (kinda like motorstorm turned out); or we get a underwhelming looking killzone whose gameplay and features are better than its predecessor was compared to the other first person shooters at the time. I can't imagine the game doing better than 6-7.5 range in scores magazines. If Killzone scores like 8.5s like Resistance I would be stunned. If it has the type of impact that Halo or Gears of War does I would most certainly have a massive stroke and die.
SuperSonic1305
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ylvis_ said:
Because the ONLY reason Killzone 1 was even remotely bad was because of the technical limitations and guess what? There gone!
TobitheCat
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Futami, is that you?Pusha said:
maybe sony was/is right that gfx's mean everything because like everyone mentioned before, the first game was a below average fps in a crowded genre,and had low reveiws thru out. And then this one comes along with nice gfx's and all of a sudden everyone seems to forget about how bad the first one was.:lol
Speevy said:
I don't see why games can't be remotely bad. I think its a bit different for PC games because framerates depend on your computers performance, which can vary greatly from user to user. Consoles are standardized in their specs, so there is no reason to aim for stable framerates since it would apply to each unit. But if we have to go along with your line of thought, then yes, killzone is a bad game.
Maxwell House
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99.99% sure that is Futami.TobitheCat said:
abacab driver
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SuperSonic1305 said:
Sorry but thats a bad excuse..
PS2 was/is a nice piece of hardware that alot of people did great things with.
Killzone didn't suck because it was 'too ambitious'..it sucked because it was unpolished, and had awful AI..graphically it was fine.
It was the developers fault, not the hardwares fault.
I suppose the hardware the reason why their prior game turned out the way it did as well..
I agree that the whole too much for the console talk is crap, they should have set the bar lower for Killzone/Shellshock or optimized further but what about the followup though? Killzone: Liberation has some of the best physics, textures, effects and animation of any PSP game, the ragdolls put PS2/XBox/Wii games to shame (lol I'm not grouping Wii with PS2/Xbox in terms of overall power or anything, just in the subject of ragdolls in their top games). All that at a locked, smooth frame rate. Now how can you tell me they have not made strides in their game-making abilities when they have made one of the most technically advanced games on PSP? Yeah the game will not look like CG, but there is a good chance it will look as good as anything else given the budget and integration with SCEWWS, as well as the lessons they are showing they have, and are learning from.
TheIkariWarrior
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PS3 Killzone killer = Crysis
http://www.crysis-online.com/video_.../SD/(Crysis-Online) GDC 2007 Tech Trailer.wmv
*falls on knees to bow before the greatness that is Crysis*
http://www.crysis-online.com/video_.../SD/(Crysis-Online) GDC 2007 Tech Trailer.wmv
*falls on knees to bow before the greatness that is Crysis*
The devs of Black did just fine on the PS2. Killzone was a badly developed game. The devs worked a closed system and should have had an idea of what the PS2 could and couldn't do. Devs want to do alot of things with their games, but they have to take into account the limitations of the hardware they are working on. Technical limitations is a terrible excuse.SuperSonic1305 said:
TemplaerDude
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SuperSonic1305 said:
no, no, i'd definitely say it's because the first game blew.
aka sucked
aka not good
aka not fun
aka you guys just want something on the ps3 that you can call a 'halo killer' and no matter how hard you deny it it's true because why else would you anticipate a sequel to a game that, well, it sucked, why not turok or something? at least turok was good at some point. but no, lets get all antsy over killzone, come on the game sucked, this one will probably be just as average, the story isn't even that good, needless to say completely unoriginal. and the character stole my damn name too, templar? come on. that's me. what a rip off.
okay i'm done.
i dont know that killzone downright sucked. I had an ok time with it. I beta tested its online portion and it seem fine enough, and only got through half of the campaign before the disc for some reason went through disc rot.
Now that Sony owns guerilla, and threw a lot of talent and tools at them, not to mention money, we should see this game shine a lot more then the first did.
Now that Sony owns guerilla, and threw a lot of talent and tools at them, not to mention money, we should see this game shine a lot more then the first did.
mysticstylez
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SuperSonic1305 said:
If it was becaue of technical limitations how come other FPS's looked better, and had better framerates than Killzone.
And look at Guerilla's track record on PS2, they put out Shellshock, which was a bomb and a half. So its not like they've released stellar games and hit a roadblock on one.
From a relaiable source on the IGN boards. The same guy that talked about Playstation Home a month before it was announced (freakyguy666). Chubs can back me up on this:
http://boards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=136291891&brd=8267&start=138072265
http://boards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=136291891&brd=8267&start=138072265
TemplaerDude
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never learn... never ever learn...
abacab driver
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Doh!
PjotrStroganov
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TemplaerDude said:
Pfew, I'm convinced now. I was worried for a while that the game was actually not bad until you came in the topic.
Rhazer Fusion
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I actually liked Killzone. It is not as terrible as individuals claim imo. I don't see why Killzone 2 couldn't potentially be a good, if not great sequel if they actually resolve most of the issues of the predecessor on a much more powerful system? After seeing Motorstorm, I think it will look visually mesmerizing. Not quite CG-caliber, but still quite gorgeous.
TemplaerDude
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so much resentment.
AgentOtaku
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I'm halfway through Killzone on PS2 right now and I still rate this one a solid 7...
-AI is not that bad and the Helghast can do some suprising/engaging things sometimes
-Animations, namely the reloads, are still some of my FAVORITE in any FPS.....ever! Everything they attempted with the POV is spot the fvck on 98% of the time
-I'm digging the narrative and don't think VA is nowhere near as bad as people have made out to be...I think its good
-Still some of my favorite overall art direction in a game. I love the parralels between the Helghast and the Third Reich. This universe really does have alotta potential...
Screw all the haters
-AI is not that bad and the Helghast can do some suprising/engaging things sometimes
-Animations, namely the reloads, are still some of my FAVORITE in any FPS.....ever! Everything they attempted with the POV is spot the fvck on 98% of the time
-I'm digging the narrative and don't think VA is nowhere near as bad as people have made out to be...I think its good
-Still some of my favorite overall art direction in a game. I love the parralels between the Helghast and the Third Reich. This universe really does have alotta potential...
Screw all the haters
CamHostage
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Pusha said:
But when they showed MotorStorm, they showed it as a mudpit and they had a fellow talking through how the mud works and why PS3 is good at making a muddy game and such. And they showed Warhawk with no real gameplay per se but instead focused on amazing clouds and water effects. And Heavely Sword was thousands of characters being blown around by bombs. So you' think the Killzone presentation would at LEAST be something where they show something specific to what the engine is capable of or else say in advance how Edge factored into Killzone's development or even said, "look at how awesome the [insert something that's supposed to be amazing] is in particular, never mind the animation and gameplay for now..." Or maybe when they got the sense that nobody was dropping their jaws like they just were moments before for LittleBigPlanet that they would have said something to explain what the footage shown was supposed to be. They didn't have to show anything if they didn't have anything to show - whether or not we believed the dev team could pull off target render-quality, none of us thinks that this game doesn't exist - so why show it in absolutely the worst way possible? Show it, yes, please (and release some screenshots while you're at it so the rest of us can also finally come to grips with what it is versus what it will never be), but don't show it in a way that there's no way of having anything but a bad impression.
From the press write ups, it sounds like they just trotted out a Bravia, flipped a video of some random sections of Killzone 2 from random states of development into the disc drive, turned it off at some random point, and then turned and went, "Are those scoffs of amazement I hear?"
AltogetherAndrews
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CamHostage said:
Isn't that what they did though? I got the impression that the demo showcased hit response, environmental destruction and particle effects. Only it was demoed by Phil? It is a bit odd, but the clip itself, with the strategic "bullet-time" to highlight features, sounded like it was your typical tech demo clip. Then again, I don't think I have read a single report on this that goes very far in explaining what it really was that they saw, so it sounds like whatever the reason for the demonstration, that reason wasn't properly communicated.
BruceLeeRoy
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It would be great if Sony was just trying to lower everyones expectations like Luke said just so were all the more blown away when we see the real thing.
Russian Steve
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I just don't understand.
The only reason this game has ANY hype behind it is all because of one trailer that was total CG bullshit. Before that, no one cared about Killzone. It was just another unimaginative, sub-par shooter.
When they show a gameplay trailer with comparable graphics to the first trailer, then, and only then, should anyone care.
I just don't understand.
The only reason this game has ANY hype behind it is all because of one trailer that was total CG bullshit. Before that, no one cared about Killzone. It was just another unimaginative, sub-par shooter.
When they show a gameplay trailer with comparable graphics to the first trailer, then, and only then, should anyone care.
Not sure if this has been said or not.
Apparently..... apparently the video that was shown was actually taken from an internal Sony presentation last year, for the various studios/divsions to get together and see what everyone else was doing, maybe late summer.
Despite all the talk about that trailer, I'm under the impression that if anyone is to blame for that video, it's Guerilla themselves.
I personally think that Harrison must be confident in Killzone if he's pulling this bizarre PR stunt with Killzone. Either that or he's playing a very dangerous game.
Apparently..... apparently the video that was shown was actually taken from an internal Sony presentation last year, for the various studios/divsions to get together and see what everyone else was doing, maybe late summer.
Despite all the talk about that trailer, I'm under the impression that if anyone is to blame for that video, it's Guerilla themselves.
I personally think that Harrison must be confident in Killzone if he's pulling this bizarre PR stunt with Killzone. Either that or he's playing a very dangerous game.