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[geordiemp]

Was it the company with no major announcements or the company with no releases in 2015? I don't know if it's that clear. But fuck it, these hipster press sneak fucks amirite?

or the company that wont sell many consoles in 2015 ? I dont know who those 3 are really.

Kindafunny got one thing right about Sony, they dont need to do much to win...

Its the same reason people buy 4K 50 inch Tv;s....they want the best version...Can they see the 4K vs 1080p difference in 50 inches at 8ft from the TV...?

The minute COD ghosts was 720p on XB1 and 1080p on Ps4 it was game over imo, but MS might pull it back...who knows.

I firmly believe most buy MS or Sony consoles for multiplats...and Ps4 being the stronger here is why it sells so well, but thats just my opinion.

 

[Journey]

I think that if you look at who won from a paradigm shifting place, in terms of coming into their own, it terms of changing perception, then Microsoft won, because I think that MS is doing all the right things now, and Sony is doing the right things as well, but for MS it's fresh and exciting because they haven't been doing the right things for a while... but backwards compatibility is huge, the other stroke of genius is they showed games that are not too far off. MS has won E3 from the perspective of changing minds and closing the gap with PlayStation.

I agree with this assessment.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

Prior to E3 I only owned a Wii-U, New-3DS, and Vita (lel) from the current systems.

Microsoft had a chance to sway my opinion by showing me more than the typical Microsoft-y stuff their console is known for. They failed to do this. Good on Xbox fans who are already interested in the system, but Microsoft's E3 showing was pretty much a repeat of last year's E3 message: "Hey people who already own the system, we're really about gamers!". They didn't do poorly, but they didn't do much to convince non-Xbox fans that the system was worth it. I don't think Microsoft "moved the needle" at all, because what we (still) need to see is a continued dedication to gaming. Remember last year when they were all about the games too? Poor, poor Phantom Dust and Black Tusk.

Nintendo had a chance to show me I made a good choice owning a Wii U and 3DS. They failed hard to do this. My interest in those systems was already diminishing (maybe interested in the next FE, and definitely interested in Xenoblade X). They could have at least reassured me like Microsoft did for Xbox One owners, but instead they confirmed that their current systems are dead and I can't expect many more games for them. Internet reaction also seemed to mirror this.

Sony impressed me enough to make me buy the system a week after E3. I was planning on getting one much later in the year around the time MGS5 came out but Sony showed off enough other games coming out this year to spark my interest. They showed off a good chunk of stuff for 2016 and beyond but in terms of "Megatons" Sony had several while Microsoft and Nintendo didn't really have any megatons of note. Most of the big E3 multiplats will be superior on PS4 anyway, so anyone looking for a console who liked what they saw for Fallout, Doom, CoD, Battlefront, Final Fantasy, etc will get a better experience on PS4.

 

[Hockey123]

I like how this thread took off today.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

You and a number of other peoplecommenting should really listen to the kinda funny take... it's a little bit grey... they basically said Sony won because Sony spoke to them personally as gamers and their tastes but Microsoft did a lot to move the needle.

Its no question that Sony won in the minds of most NeoGaffers but your talking about a community of the most hard core gamers. BC, Halo 5, Rare Replay, Tomb Raider, Gears remaster are all things that were shown launching this year that relevant to a wide audience. They aren't just a list of fan requests answered for.

I agree with this. I can see why Sony won in the minds of most gamers but I came out of that E3 far more excited with what I'm getting on my Xbox in the near future.

Halo 5 looked so tired.
Gears 4 looked boring and uninspired
And TR's e3 demo was completely by the numbers
BC seemed incredible till I found out how limited it was.

In my mind MS didn't do a lot. They showed me franchises that have lost a lot of what made them special in the first place and exclusives they should have saved their money on.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Halo 5 looked so tired.
Gears 4 looked boring and uninspired
And TR's e3 demo was completely by the numbers
BC seemed incredible till I found out how limited it was.

In my mind MS didn't do a lot. They showed me franchises that have lost a lot of what made them special in the first place and exclusives they should have saved their money on.

Don't forget Forza 6 showing the Ford GT for like 10 seconds followed by a generic marketing trailer.

 

[Lingitiz]

Sony definitely generated a lot of excitement and undoubtedly won E3, but MS and Nintendo still have much better holiday exclusive lineups this year. Sony really gets it when putting together press conferences, and MS and Nintendo could learn a lot from them because I do think their content is actually better, they just need to present it in a more exciting way.

MS had a strange showing. Their demos didn't hit the way they should have, but nonetheless I think Halo 5 will be an extremely strong game and will drive Xbox One sales. Warzone looks really promising and they are saying a lot of the right things and seem primed to get the series back on track. Tomb Raider also looks good, but again that demo didn't do much for me. Forza 6 looks like a nice step up for the franchise, but yeah hard to demo a racing game these days.

Same goes for Nintendo. I didn't think StarFox Zero or Zelda Triforce Heroes (their marquee Wii U and 3DS games for the holiday) showed that well either, but they will likely be great games and sell rather decently. StarFox in particular is a game that will make a ton of progress in the next few months and I think it will end up being pretty awesome. You take a step back and think about their lineup this year and it's not bad, with SMM, Yoshi, Yokai Watch, FF5, Mario Tennis, Zelda Triforce Heroes, StarFox, and Xenoblade.

Sony will sell consoles on the back of their promising future lineup and marketing of SW: Battlefront and COD, but as a multiplatform+PC owner, my console might not see much use this holiday unless Persona 5 actually hits this year. They had a great fanservice filled E3 that got me really excited, but ultimately I do wish they had something really big for the end of the year. Maybe a major Bloodborne expansion?

 

[Inuhanyou]

Eh. Sony won in my mind, i can't really dispute that. Everything MS showed i didn't even care about. For them it was more about the people who already had an XB1, and 2015 games to franchises we have seen on an annual basis.

BC doesn't interest me cause i have a 360 and all the games i could ever want already.

Gears ended for me after 3.

Halo ended for me after Reach.

Forza ended for me after Horizon 1.

We didn't see any Quantum Break or Scalebound which are actual new IP's that look good.

For Sony, i already have my hands full with games coming out this year like Tales, Persona, Disgaea 5 and the like.

And in 2016 games like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Star Ocean, Street Fighter 5 and Horizon Zero Dawn approaching, i felt it was a fine concession to gamers that wanted to see games coming out further down the pipe.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Got to the part with "Sony sold PS4 so far with no games... well there's this and that but they don't really count or something."

Edit: I don't like FFXIV personally but a ton of people do and it runs great on PS4. That's PS4 console exclusive for the current gen (ps3 may get phased out with how I hear it runs the game lately).

Edit2: About nintendo showing people things not everyone wanted to see (phone games?), it's E3 and keynote or presentation thing about what Nintendo is doing. They aren't showing you sales and charts, be happy. E3 isn't gamescom.

Ok they just got to the point where one guy says it's not just for gamers that hey are speaking to. Covered.

 

[Frog-fu]

As far as I'm concerned Microsoft beat Sony last year (though Nintendo won) and this year. Third party games at platform holder conferences don't count in my book.

Horizon is a launch day purchase for me, but aside from that and UC4 nothing else really interested me at Sony's conference. FF VII Remake and Shenmue were hype but both are coming to PC and possibly on XB1 at later dates.

Microsoft left out games I was really looking forward to (Quantum Break, Scalebound, Crackdown), and still had a great conference with awesome reveals and announcements of games I can play this year or next year. That's awesome and gets me more excited for the platform.

 

[Elandyll]

I agree with this assessment.

I don't...

They visibly haven't "changed minds" any more than say a month before E3, and Hololens was not only technically mis-represented (with a cool Demo though), they knew while doing it that it was

1) nowhere near ready
2) aimed primarily at enterprise app for its first version (as revealed recently)

BC is really nice, but

1) the competing system has it in a different form (PSNow, paying solution), and has for many months
2) it should have come at launch or at least within the first year to really matter

MS was right to call on Sony for making people pay for games they already own though, PS Now should feature free games if you have a disc (of said game) in the console or in your digital library.

The only novel thing MS announced imo was the start of an "early access" program, which is cool though probably minor in the grand scheme of things.

Sony on their end made/ helped 3 dreams happen:
- FF7R
- Shenmue 3
- The Last Guardian

I would almost be tempted to add Horizon to this, as much of a geek wet dream as it appears to be so far tbh.

This being said, I agree with Greg and his colleague on just about 1 thing:
The end of the year will be interesting in the way of comparing how the market will go between a loaded AAA western exclusive lineup on XB1 (temp exclu RotTR, Halo 5, Forza 6), vs marketing deals on some of the biggest games of the year (Destiny, COD, Battlefront, Ass Creed) and Japanese titles (Persona 5, Disgaea 5, Dragon Quest Heroes...) as well as loads of Indie titles and games released throughout the year (such as Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Tearaway or The Order).

Of course in the end it will probably be just about which deals are available, and if the PS4 indeed goes down to $299.

 

[MrMatt555]

Glad this thread took off...

"It wasn't until I started reading neogaf and mann...people hated nintendo's conference."

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Wow, FF7 announcement had no business being made? Kingdom Hearts and FF15 too? Crazy

 

[Three]

No idea why this has been bumped but I'm enjoying the narrative that E3 has gone from "OMG! dropping megatons" to "you know that game we announced a long time ago, well it's still coming out".

 

[MrMatt555]

Also, not many people discussing the Nintendo portion of the conversation which I feel is the most relevant discussion. "They need to get out of hardware" was something I felt would cause a decent discussion for sure..

 

[frizby]

Colin is right.

MS had all of the best megaton surprises like Halo, Gears and Forza. Nobody could have predicted new IPs like Halo, Gears and Forza, and it's great to see long-dormant franchises like Halo, Gears and Forza make their suprise comeback. They even had the best indies, like Halo, Gears and Forza.

BC was legit cool, and a good move for consumers.

 

[kadotsu]

Colin is right.

MS had all of the best megaton surprises like Halo, Gears and Forza. Nobody could have predicted new IPs like Halo, Gears and Forza, and it's great to see long-dormant franchises like Halo, Gears and Forza make their suprise comeback. They even had the best indies, like Halo, Gears and Forza.

BC was legit cool, and a good move for consumers.

I think you are kind of harsh. Did you forget that MS went out of their comfort zone by showing Fable, too.

 

[TomShoe]

snip

Who moves more product essentially boils down to whether or not Sony will play the price game with Microsoft. Everyone here is just about certain Xbox will go down to $299, it's only a question of whether PS4 will as well. Value adds aren't going to cut it during the holiday, and lost holiday showed it.

This coming November marks the PS4's 2nd birthday. The PS2 was launched in March 2000, and had its price cut by $100 May 2002.

 

[Blobbers]

Sony's conference was much better than Microsoft's and people who even dare try to put Microsoft's conference on the same or near level, you know playing it safe, trying to put it just behind Sony, like "oh of course Sony won, but they didn't win thaaat much." Sony blew Microsoft the fuck away. To deny that Sony absolutely and utterly dominated every other conference is to turn a blind eye to the truth.

What was so great about Microsoft's conference anyway? That's the problem, nothing was great. Most of it was good, or expected, or playing it safe. A 5/10 or 6/10 at the most.

Think of it like this: Only one conference this year went Super Saiyan. The others remained your mellow, regular Z fighters.

 

[Percy]

Also, not many people discussing the Nintendo portion of the conversation which I feel is the most relevant discussion. "They need to get out of hardware" was something I felt would cause a decent discussion for sure..

Not much to discuss considering that's pretty much the same old shit we get about Ninty every gen.

 

[AmuroChan]

You know what I meant...the sales following a marketing event is the barometer....I guess some will look at the following month, some will look at following quarter..., some will take a rolling average....who cares ? Its statistics.

My point is that subsequent market sales is the metric of success, not 3 journalists stating what they liked or a poll of 100 votes on a web site, or who shouts the loudest.

The problem is we'll never get a full picture of those metrics because NPD is 1.) only NA sales; 2.) does not count bundles; 3.) does not include digital sales; and 4.) does not actually provide the numbers.

Statistics without the numbers is not useful.

 

[Lingitiz]

Also, not many people discussing the Nintendo portion of the conversation which I feel is the most relevant discussion. "They need to get out of hardware" was something I felt would cause a decent discussion for sure..

Better not to engage any discussion around Nintendo going third-party. Surefire sign that whoever is recommending that probably doesn't understand the company or what that would actually mean.

 

[sappyday]

For me personally, Sony already sold me on the PS4 so that isn't what I look for in their conferences anymore. I own a ps4 so what I look for in Sony's press conferences is the crazy stuff that no one sees coming or awesome demos of games that I am looking forward. They delivered on both fronts. Unlike with Microsoft, where the main goal is to still see if they can sell me on the Xbone. There was nothing there for me except the rare replay and even then I'm not gonna buy a Xbone to play a bunch of N64 games. I never owned a 360 so BC is moot to me.


So Sony won.

 

[Frog-fu]

Halo 5 looked so tired.
Gears 4 looked boring and uninspired
And TR's e3 demo was completely by the numbers
BC seemed incredible till I found out how limited it was.

In my mind MS didn't do a lot. They showed me franchises that have lost a lot of what made them special in the first place and exclusives they should have saved their money on.

Halo 5 is featuring teams for the first time ever, more important it's featuring Spartan IIs like Master Chief, which is something fans have been waiting on for decades. Warzone looks awesome. It's 60FPS and comes with free DLC maps. I don't know what's so tired about it.

Gears of War 4 is returning to its roots, infusing a good deal of horror that made the first game so loved. Boring is one thing, but I don't see what could possibly be uninspired about that. The developers are excited and fans of the franchise are excited.

TR looks great. You'll be able to play it on your PS4 eventually but it looks great. Not the footage they showed at the conference, mind you, I agree that looked thoroughly meh.

BC is only just rolling out. You only have yourself to blame if you were lulled into false impressions that your entire catalogue on the 360 would be available on the XB1. For those of us who have a ton of games on that platform, this is nothing but a bonus that we all gave up on ever receiving.

Opinions and all that, but it seems to me you're putting a negative spin on those announcements all on your own.

 

[prwxv3]

I agree with this assessment.

This is fucking stupid. So if a company completely botches a launch but improves while their competitor does not but also improves the company that botched it should get more recognition"

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

This is fucking stupid. So if a company completely botches a launch but improves while their competitor does not but also improves the company that botched it should get more recognition"

Coming from the same general crowd that calls for sales parity because "competition is good", yeah, that's probably the thought.

 

[neojubei]

Colin is right.

MS had all of the best megaton surprises like Halo, Gears and Forza. Nobody could have predicted new IPs like Halo, Gears and Forza, and it's great to see long-dormant franchises like Halo, Gears and Forza make their suprise comeback. They even had the best indies, like Halo, Gears and Forza.

BC was legit cool, and a good move for consumers.

ok this post made me laugh.

Halo 5 looked so tired.
Gears 4 looked boring and uninspired
And TR's e3 demo was completely by the numbers
BC seemed incredible till I found out how limited it was.

In my mind MS didn't do a lot. They showed me franchises that have lost a lot of what made them special in the first place and exclusives they should have saved their money on.

yeah i have to agree. Horizon alone looked better than what microsoft had shown, imho.

 

[wapplew]

I don't know who won E3, but after I watch many after E3 discussion from different media outlet, MS won the PR war.

That "Best line up in Xbox history" line they run throughout the year really mess with you head. At first I thought is was just a silly PR line, but they run with it every opportunity they got.
It stating to build the narrative of importance of holiday whether you agree or not.
Almost all media outlet asking how could Sony compete with this line up in holiday?
It makes you forget Xbox really didn't have much retail exclusive this year.
It makes you think Sony have no games. If you didn't follow the industry closely, you would think Xbox is winning!

It's like "The winter is coming" It's clever and effective!

 

[StrongBlackVine]

MS played it super safe. I think that's why people werent necessarily blown away. Sony showed some good stuff, but very little will be played in the immediate future. Also begs the question, what will they show next year? We practically know everything already.

New Sucker Punch game, new Sony Bend IP, Santa Monica(GOW), more Japan Studio stuff, Gran Turismo 7.Those in addition to a more in-depth showings of TLG, Horizon and Dreams. And of course some surprises. I think they will have tons to show next year.

Sony won no contest for me. Horizon Zero Dawn blew mind my mind, The Last Guardian was a treat, FFVII Remake announcement made me feel like a child again. I need to see more of Dreams, but it looks looks very intriguing.

I don't care about backwards compatibility at all and the only game Microsoft showed that I really wanted is most likely coming to PS4 next year(ROTR and even that game's E3 showing was not good).

 

[Tumeke NZ]

My personal "winner" will be different to someone else's "winner" so really, we all win in the end.

 

[xxracerxx]

All I know was Horizon was my game of the show and I cannot wait to see more of it in the future.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

I don't know who won E3, but after I watch many after E3 discussion from different media outlet, MS won the PR war.

That "Best line up in Xbox history" line they run throughout the year really mess with you head. At first I thought is was just a silly PR line, but they run with it every opportunity they got.
It stating to build the narrative of importance of holiday whether you agree or not.
Almost all media outlet asking how could Sony compete with this line up in holiday?
It makes you forget Xbox really didn't have much retail exclusive this year.
It makes you think Sony have no games. If you didn't follow the industry closely, you would think Xbox is winning!

It's like "The winter is coming" It's clever and effective!

Uh everyone knows Sony is winning, Gamer or not.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I think you are kind of harsh. Did you forget that MS went out of their comfort zone by showing Fable, too.

(Chokes on Spaghetti.)

 

[Inuhanyou]

Colin is right.

MS had all of the best megaton surprises like Halo, Gears and Forza. Nobody could have predicted new IPs like Halo, Gears and Forza, and it's great to see long-dormant franchises like Halo, Gears and Forza make their suprise comeback. They even had the best indies, like Halo, Gears and Forza.

BC was legit cool, and a good move for consumers.

I think you are kind of harsh. Did you forget that MS went out of their comfort zone by showing Fable, too.

These made me laugh.

I don't know who won E3, but after I watch many after E3 discussion from different media outlet, MS won the PR war.

That "Best line up in Xbox history" line they run throughout the year really mess with you head. At first I thought is was just a silly PR line, but they run with it every opportunity they got.
It stating to build the narrative of importance of holiday whether you agree or not.
Almost all media outlet asking how could Sony compete with this line up in holiday?
It makes you forget Xbox really didn't have much retail exclusive this year.
It makes you think Sony have no games. If you didn't follow the industry closely, you would think Xbox is winning!

It's like "The winter is coming" It's clever and effective!

I've seen a lot of this in the conversation channels of not only the bigger media outlets but also the "youtuber" people who don't count Japanese games as things that actually exist.

It feels very bias, as if Sony was not the one who launched 5 exclusive PS4 games before E3 plus Until Dawn and Uncharted Collection as well, not to mention all the other console and platform exclusive titles like Toukiden and and Persona, and Tales.

But because MS has 4 games in the whole year(one that is timed and coming to 360) coming out this winter and almost zero for the rest of the year, apparently they had the best year and Sony has no exclusive games. Its crazy.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Recore, Sea of Thieves, next Gears game, Hololens especially is no where near mass consumer ready. If we learned anything from MS last year is that regardless how soon they say the aforementioned are coming they may be a ways off or in the case of Phantom Dust never to come. Also MS can be just as criticized for treading familiar ground with their lineup. Their show will only move the needle for you if you are interested in Halo and Forza and Gears, whereas for me Sony coverred a wider array of interests and showed new experiences as well with Horizon and Dreams and RIGS that in themselves show diversity.

I am really intrigued to see how Recore turns out though. To me it was the most interesting thing MS showed. However, Armature is a small studio and has been busy handling a lot of ports the last couple of years and recently attached their name to Bloodstained and retrofitting UE4 for Wii U and Vita. Also they have only been in production on Recore for 10 months, and Comcept, is just a concept house that has many projects themselves. So if it makes a Spring release I will be shocked.

Sony's stuff was not only much further away (if ever in a couple of cases) but also mostly niche stuff. So I can understand why a GAF poll would go in Sony's favour. But id wager most of the J6Ps of the world would have looked at Sony's conference as a big "wtf?"

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Who won E3 really depends on the conditions of "winning".

That said, I thought Sony and MS's conferences were solid despite their different approaches. MS went with the "coming later this year" strategy while Sony went with the "coming later this year and 2016" strategy.

Both strategies have their pros and cons. The former puts hype into the games that are coming in the near future. The con is that we don't know what else MS has in store beyond spring 2016 (except for the games that don't have release dates yet). The argument for the latter strategy is that there's no point showcasing games coming out this year when (1) we already know they're coming and (2) have already seen footage of those games. Of course, the con is that they won't get as much attention as they will have had they been shown during a press conference.

If I were to choose who won, I would choose Sony. Using relatively objective metrics, E3 trailers of games shown at Sony's conference have significantly more views on YouTube than those shown at MS's conference. In addition, Uncharted 4 won multiple awards from Game Critic Awards' "Best of E3 2015". Horizon also won the "Best Original Game" award. You can also see the publisher and platform breakdown here. And of course, we have the GAF's Best of E3 Awards.

 

[Brad Grenz]

The thing I liked about the MS conference was that they focused on whats coming soon. Although unfortunately it meant that they skimped stuff like QB, Crackdown and Scalebound for gamescom.

They focused on what's coming soon, so long as you pretend they didn't show ReCore, Gears 4 and Cuphead. Of course, by stuffing their entire 2015 release schedule into the Holiday quarter they are basically attempting to manufacture a PR "win" even if it's at the expense of existing owners who get diddly squat to play the rest of the year. It's also sad to see people in the games media fall into the trap of allowing MS redefine the win conditions, especially when last year MS showed a bunch of CGI stuff that's further away and/or cancelled at this point, and the year before they literally lied about when Halo 5 would ship.

Nonsense. Nearly everything Sony showed is targeting 2015/16, besides the two big announcements. For some reason they glossed over most of their 2015 stuff at E3 with the exception of No Man's Sky and multi platform stuff (Until Dawn, Tearaway, Uncharted Collection, Persona 5, The Witness, Galak-Z, RiME, Tomorrow Children etc).

But here are the targeted releases for everything they announced or showed at E3.

Horizon - 2016
Uncharted 4 - 2016
The Last Guardian - 2016
Star Wars Battlefront - 2015
Dreams - 2016
No Man's Sky - 2015
Arkham Knight - 2015
Firewatch - 2015
Street Fighter V - 2016
Call of Duty - 2015
Assassin's Creed Syndicate - 2015
Destiny DLC - 2015
Hitman - 2016
Disney Infinity 3 - 2015
Ronin - 2015/16
Mother Russia Bleeds - 2015/16
Crossing Souls - 2015/16
Eitr - 2015/16
Shenmue 3 - NA
Final Fantasy VII Remake - NA

Hitman is actually 2015, too. But mostly Sony didn't waste a bunch of stage time on all the games near release because they had shown them plenty before and for the most part they were going to be playable on the show floor.

Who won E3 really depends on the conditions of "winning".

It shouldn't be too complicated. If you go by who showed the most exciting games, Sony wins easily. If you go by who had the biggest surprises and dropped the biggest "bombs", Sony also wins. If you carefully craft a bunch of special qualifiers with your ultimate goal of ensuring MS wins, then and only then did MS "win" E3.

 

[Tumeke NZ]

It shouldn't be too complicated. If you go by who showed the most exciting games, Sony wins easily. If you go by who had the biggest surprises and dropped the biggest "bombs", Sony also wins. If you carefully craft a bunch of special qualifiers with your ultimate goal of ensuring MS wins, then and only then did MS "win" E3.

This is one way to look at it depending on what you term most exciting and biggest bombs.
Many may look at what Sony showed, just like you looking at MS's show, and not be overly impressed by what they saw. I'm sure there are people out there who think Nintendo had the best show.
Its all subjective really which is why the whole who won conversation is pretty dumb.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

Colin is right.

MS had all of the best megaton surprises like Halo, Gears and Forza. Nobody could have predicted new IPs like Halo, Gears and Forza, and it's great to see long-dormant franchises like Halo, Gears and Forza make their suprise comeback. They even had the best indies, like Halo, Gears and Forza.

BC was legit cool, and a good move for consumers.

God damn

 

[frizby]

God damn

It's that Phil Spencer effect, bro. He's really shaking things up over there.

 

[Brad Grenz]

This is one way to look at it depending on what you term most exciting and biggest bombs.
Many may look at what Sony showed, just like you looking at MS's show, and not be overly impressed by what they saw. I'm sure there are people out there who think Nintendo had the best show.
Its all subjective really which is why the whole who won conversation is pretty dumb.

Except the subjectivity is measurable. All you have to do is look at social media buzz, game of show nominations and awards, YouTube views, etc, to see that Sony ran away with E3 2015. Anyone arguing otherwise is doing so in bad faith, or out of ignorance.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Who moves more product essentially boils down to whether or not Sony will play the price game with Microsoft. Everyone here is just about certain Xbox will go down to $299, it's only a question of whether PS4 will as well. Value adds aren't going to cut it during the holiday, and lost holiday showed it.

This coming November marks the PS4's 2nd birthday. The PS2 was launched in March 2000, and had its price cut by $100 May 2002.

The fact that Sony has already stated in their projections that they intend to sell more consoles, but make less money than last year strongly implies a price cut will come in the fall. The real question is by how much? $349 would only strengthen Sony's position and widen the gap between it and Xbone. $299? Crazy talk I know, but that kind of price cut would be the literal "/thread" of this generation.

 

[Tumeke NZ]

Except the subjectivity is measurable. All you have to do is look at social media buzz, game of show nominations and awards, YouTube views, etc, to see that Sony ran away with E3 2015. Anyone arguing otherwise is doing so in bad faith, or out of ignorance.

I thought I read somewhere that Xbox topped social media?

 

[bryanee]

Colin and Greg were only talking about the US when saying the Xbox could catch up and overtake Sony next year, right? I don't see that happening WW.

 

[BuBBeR]

Well, for such fanboys that Colin and Gregg are, that was actually a very reasonable discussion.

 

[Etnos]

Who won E3? Is the most click-baity, fanboish-war-baity tittle any gaming media publication can make, so pointless.

Honestly those guys can do better

 

[Ray Down]

The fact that Sony has already stated in their projections that they intend to sell more consoles, but make less money than last year strongly implies a price cut will come in the fall. The real question is by how much? $349 would only strengthen Sony's position and widen the gap between it and Xbone. $299? Crazy talk I know, but that kind of price cut would be the literal "/thread" of this generation.

My bet will be 300 and probably the reveal of the holiday bundle.

We will see October 29th, halo release/eve day.

 

[Brad Grenz]

I thought I read somewhere that Xbox topped social media?

You did, but in an analysis contrived to produce that outcome.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Sony definitely generated a lot of excitement and undoubtedly won E3, but MS and Nintendo still have much better holiday exclusive lineups this year. Sony really gets it when putting together press conferences, and MS and Nintendo could learn a lot from them because I do think their content is actually better, they just need to present it in a more exciting way.

MS had a strange showing. Their demos didn't hit the way they should have, but nonetheless I think Halo 5 will be an extremely strong game and will drive Xbox One sales. Warzone looks really promising and they are saying a lot of the right things and seem primed to get the series back on track. Tomb Raider also looks good, but again that demo didn't do much for me. Forza 6 looks like a nice step up for the franchise, but yeah hard to demo a racing game these days.

Same goes for Nintendo. I didn't think StarFox Zero or Zelda Triforce Heroes (their marquee Wii U and 3DS games for the holiday) showed that well either, but they will likely be great games and sell rather decently. StarFox in particular is a game that will make a ton of progress in the next few months and I think it will end up being pretty awesome. You take a step back and think about their lineup this year and it's not bad, with SMM, Yoshi, Yokai Watch, FF5, Mario Tennis, Zelda Triforce Heroes, StarFox, and Xenoblade.

Sony will sell consoles on the back of their promising future lineup and marketing of SW: Battlefront and COD, but as a multiplatform+PC owner, my console might not see much use this holiday unless Persona 5 actually hits this year. They had a great fanservice filled E3 that got me really excited, but ultimately I do wish they had something really big for the end of the year. Maybe a major Bloodborne expansion?

No they don't. That's entirely subjective. Personally, I'd take No Man's Sky, Persona 5 and Tearaway Unfolded over any of the Wii U or Xbone's exclusives this year but that's just me.

I'm amazed so many people ran into this thread to retroactively rewrite history. I have no problem with Xbone fans trying to claim their holiday lineup is the most amazing thing ever, unless they're trying to state it as if it's a fact, but E3? Come on. Halo 5, Tomb Raider, Forza and Gears 4 had dud showings at Microsoft's conference. I don't understand how that happened but it did. I'm sure all those games (Forza aside, for obvious reasons) have huge, impressive set pieces but they made them all look pretty boring. That's kinda impressive in a way. And the Forza bit was just dumb. It's a Ford GT coming down from the roof! And a Ford executive! Much wow!

The best things Microsoft had at their conference were the (limited) backwards compatibility announcement, the indie showcase, Rare collection announcement and Hololens (which if you're going to talk smoke and mirrors, was the biggest one at E3).

 

[sjay1994]

Everybody knows who won, which is exactly why the hipster gaming press have to pretend the opposite.

You have no idea who half of these people are.

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They used to be incharge of PS content on IGN