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[PFD]

He doesn't want it connected. Next question.

lol

I guess duct tape is your only option OP

 

[FairXchange]

this is not true. I moved my xb1 to another room yesterday temporarily w/o the kinect and there was no message anywhere.

It is true.

 

[JrBaconCheeseburger]

I'm calling fishy on this, as we've seen hours of livestreams from places like Giantbomb where the Kinect was disabled and disconnected on at least one of their systems, without this message. I think it's very likely that's the message that pops up when you have it enabled but disconnected.

Do you have an xbox one? so you can try this yourself?

The problem is that it does not go away from your dashboard.

If something is optional why do i have to be reminded that i turned it off or why the need to let me know i unplugged the thing.

 

[sangreal]

Do you have an xbox one? so you can try this yourself?

The problem is that it does not go away from your dashboard.

If something is optional why do i have to be reminded that i turned it off or why the need to let me know i unplugged the thing.

because that area of the dashboard is reserved for kinect messages. It's like complaining that if you sign out, there is a message in the top left telling you to Sign In. If you turn on Kinect, you just get a different icon there

 

[SwiftDeath]

because that area of the dashboard is reserved for kinect messages. It's like complaining that if you sign out, there is a message in the top left telling you to Sign In. If you turn on Kinect, you just get a different icon there

Uh how about you leave the area blank?

 

[NewGame]

Why are you removing it?

Yes OP, why are you removing it?

 

[Moon_frogger]

He doesn't want it connected. Next question.

Why don't you want it connected?

 

[Pop]

You didn't really believe Microsoft now, did you? Kinect is the system

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Uh how about you live the area blank?

How about we stop pretending like its a huge deal or something?

Better yet, how about we stop pretending like the people who created the system aren't selling it with the idea of people actually using the product they sold? You're fine to use the console without Kinect.

That's your option, but those who made it aren't selling it with the intent for anybody to not use it and as such the system reacts in a way which reflects that.

It only shows while navigating the UI and it only takes up the small space in the very top right that would only be used for visual animations when using the Kinect you don't have plugged In anyway.

Infact if its that huge a deal and you're a sworn Kinect detractor, open it up, cut the microphone wires and duct tape the camera. No problem breaking the thing if you're never going to use it anyway. You're not going to randomly want to put a "spy camera" in your house tomorrow if you didn't want one today, right?

Jesus Christmas.

 

[Cragvis]

If something is optional why do i have to be reminded that i turned it off or why the need to let me know i unplugged the thing.

 

[SwiftDeath]

How about we stop pretending like its a huge frigging deal or something?

It only shows while navigating the UI and it only takes up the small space in the very top right that would only be used for visual animations when using the Kinect you don't have plugged In anyway.

Jesus Christmas.

But why is the icon needed? I legitimately don't understand that

 

[Biker19]

It's both the biggest aid and biggest problem for the Xbox One taking off.

I think that tacking on Kinect for Xbox One was a big mistake that jacked the price for the system up, just like the Gamepad was a very big mistake for Nintendo in which it was the most expensive thing Nintendo's ever done for the Wii U.

I love these posts. Sorry to single you out here, but it irks me to see "gamers" who wouldn't play great games because of a fucking camera.

Weird coincidence how so many junior members are in this thread defending Kinect to the death.

I agree. It just boggles me when they get offended that people don't want the damn thing for the console.

Kinect was optional for Xbox 360, why couldn't Microsoft do the same for Xbox One

 

[JrBaconCheeseburger]

How about we stop pretending like its a huge deal or something?

Better yet, how about we stop pretending like the people who created the system aren't selling it with the idea of people actually using the product they sold? You're fine to use the console without Kinect.

That's your option, but those who made it aren't selling it with the intent for anybody to not use it and as such the system reacts in a way which reflects that.

It only shows while navigating the UI and it only takes up the small space in the very top right that would only be used for visual animations when using the Kinect you don't have plugged In anyway.

Infact if its that huge a deal and you're a sworn Kinect detractor, open it up, cut the microphone wires and duct tape the camera. No problem breaking the thing if you're never going to use it anyway. You're not going to randomly want to put a "spy camera" in your house tomorrow if you didn't want one today, right?

Jesus Christmas.

Is this a joke post or something

I said people will sit here and say how kinect 2.0 changed everything and is the future and that is good for them.

I did not purchase an xbox one for kinect and i doubt that was the reason for anyone in getting an xbox one.

All i am saying is that on their website under "get the facts" it mentions that i can turn it off or not use it.

Yet it is designed so if i do this, i cannot set the system to sign-in automatically and god forbid i don't want to be spotted and signed in.

Rather have to manually sign in to my console every time . Every console auto-signs you in yet on here i only have kinect sign-in or nothing.

The messages on dashboard are stupid also. There is no need for that to be there at all times.

like i said earlier ,I am not sure what people expect it will deliver in gaming besides the occasional voice commands "Fire Volley" we had in ryse.

 

[spannicus]

Received a letter from the NSA about all my extra curricular Fapping.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Received a letter from the NSA about all my extra curricular Fapping.

Did they give you protips?

 

[spannicus]

Did they give you protips?

no just a cease and desist and info on where to dispose of my socks.

 

[Special C]

Kinect is a big reason I chose Xbox One. I just don't see the logic in buying the system and not using Kinect.

That being said I'd still like auto sign-in.

 

[Sobriquet]

How does the Xbox handle turning on all your devices with or without Kinect? Say I have just an XBox One hooked up to my TV, no cable, no AVR, nothing. By speaking "XBox On" does it boot the XBO AND my TV as well?

Yes. It will turn on whatever you tell it to in the settings.

Or do I have to turn the TV on manually with a remote?

No.

If you don't have the Kinect hooked up can you still turn on the Xbox with your controller by hitting the guide button?

Yes.

And if so does this also turn your TV on?

No. You need the Kinect as an IR blaster. If Kinect is hooked up, then yes, the console and TV will turn on with the guide button.

 

[Vyer]

You make a valid point. Ultimately, modern society had got to a point at which it's difficult to live a normal life without using the Internet, email and a phone. I can happily live without Kinect.

Someone else used the phrase "if you think you are being tracked". I don't actually believe that I am. But I'm still hesitant to give the government the ability to track me if they so wished. And the US government having access to my email and phone records isn't something I'm happy about either even though, ultimately, I have nothing to hide.

Absolutely, and that's completely valid. I'm mostly commenting on the idea/reasoning that it is a boundary of sorts when considering something like a phone. Not so much 'giving the government the ability' as the fact that it was likely given long ago.

 

[Sobriquet]

The messages on dashboard are stupid also. There is no need for that to be there at all times.

Did you turn it off in Settings before you unplugged it?

edit: Oh, I see. I just turned Kinect off and I do have that message. It's only on the dashboard, though.

 

[sangreal]

But why is the icon needed? I legitimately don't understand that

So people are aware of the option and for troubleshooting

 

[SwiftDeath]

So people are aware of the option and for troubleshooting

My phone has Wifi, GPS, cellular data (3G/4G) yet when I turn those off there isn't a constant reminder on my phone and I don't understand the troubleshooting bit.

 

[Garrett 2U]

It's a bit late for that after being told that the console is perfectly usable without Kinect. People tend to believe these statements to be fact and not fiction and some buyers probably expected there to be no BS annoyances introduced when they disconnect the camera.

Telling them they should just buy the PS4 when they already bought an XBO seems a bit callous when they bought it based on Microsoft's own statements on their "did you know" list that made it seem like Kinect was perfectly optional.

It also feeds into the "screw this, I'm not dealing with MS anymore" sentiment if they're not willing to address these concerns.

Dude lol, the console is perfectly usable without Kinect plugged in.
There is no auto sign in feature and there's a little message in on the dashboard telling you that Kinect is unplugged, but that's it.

My phone has Wifi, GPS, cellular data (3G/4G) yet when I turn those off there isn't a constant reminder on my phone and I don't understand the troubleshooting bit.

Hmm... "No Service"

The Kinect message is about as distracting as that.
It's only on the dashboard and up where you'd expect voice command feedback to display

 

[SwiftDeath]

Hmm... "No Service"

The Kinect message is about as distracting as that.
It's only on the dashboard and up where you'd expect voice command feedback to display

I'll preface this by saying we're getting into pedantic territory so it doesn't really matter but the main point of a phone is (or at least should be) to make phone calls hence the inability to do so warrants constant notification. My examples were of things that only notify you when active not when inactive

It's one of those things where somewhere buried in the advanced settings should be an option to turn the notification off much like auto-sign in without kinect. More options are better than fewer etc.

Hopefully it's sorted in the next firmware update

 

[JrBaconCheeseburger]

Dude lol, the console is perfectly usable without Kinect plugged in.
There is no auto sign in feature and there's a little message in on the dashboard telling you that Kinect is unplugged, but that's it.



Hmm... "No Service"

The Kinect message is about as distracting as that.
It's only on the dashboard and up where you'd expect voice command feedback to display

i do not think your picture did anything as he did not comment on a no service issue which is not even remotely near to kinect issue.

No one said it was not usable that is not what we are talking about.

 

[Gestault]

Why would you call 'fishy' on something so easily reproducible?... go in and unplug it and bask in the sameness of that picture.

My point is that thousands of people have observed that this didn't happen in the case of one or more of the retail Xbox One systems that Giantbomb used in their streams. They made a point to say that some of their systems didn't have the Kinect physically connected, and those were among those used in the stream. That message wasn't visible.

I don't have access to an XB1, but I think that's a reasonable source of info. So yes, it's fishy that the information in the original post suggests that that couldn't have been possible, and OP isn't even entertaining the idea that a setting could be different. That said, if I'm mistaken and that message really does display constantly on-screen without a Kinect wired in? It's something that should be changed.

 

[Garrett 2U]

I'll preface this by saying we're getting into pedantic territory so it doesn't really matter but the main point of a phone is (or at least should be) to make phone calls hence the inability to do so warrants constant notification. My examples were of things that only notify you when active not when inactive

It's one of those things where somewhere buried in the advanced settings should be an option to turn the notification off much like auto-sign in without kinect. More options are better than fewer etc.

Hopefully it's sorted in the next firmware update

Hey, you're the one who brought up the phone analogy, not me... "cellular data (3G/4G) yet when I turn those off there isn't a constant reminder on my phone"

It depends on the phone OS, but I know iOS does display the cell data even when you turn it off. Does it affect the experience? No.

Should that message display when you have Kinect disabled? Maybe not. Does it make the Xbone unusable without Kinect? Not at all. Does it deserve a 10 page thread trashing it? Probably not.
But console wars, I guess.

i do not think your picture did anything as he did not comment on a no service issue which is not even remotely near to kinect issue.

Ok, sorry. Technically when you disable the cellular antenna, the bars still display, not "no service", but it's the same idea.

He said that there isn't constant notification that of cellular data when it's turned off, there kinda is on iOS.

 

[commedieu]

careful JrBaconCheeseburger, the natives are getting restless.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Hey, you're the one who brought up the phone analogy, not me... "cellular data (3G/4G) yet when I turn those off there isn't a constant reminder on my phone"

It depends on the phone OS, but I know iOS does display the cell data even when you turn it off. Does it affect the experience? No.

Should that message display when you have Kinect disabled? Maybe not. Does it deserve a 10 page thread trashing it? Probably not.

Cellular data =/= Voice

Which in my opinion (voice) is the main purpose of the device

If for instance you couldn't play games with the kinect unattached then I think the warning is justified

 

[A6M3]

Some people will disagree and say it is the greatest thing ever and essential and integrated.

Kinect does nothing to add to the experience of xbox one and actually can be very frustrating when you really sit down and realize it can only understand like 30 Voice commands and honestly using voice to control your xbox is not really essential and can get tiresome and annoying.

This is my opinion.

Yup I agree

 

[Garrett 2U]

Cellular data =/= Voice

Which in my opinion (voice) is the main purpose of the device

If for instance you couldn't play games with the kinect unattached then I think the warning is justified

It doesn't even display when you're playing a game, literally just in the corner of the dashboard, only on the Home Screen.

There are people in this thread saying Microsoft lied about the Xbone being usable without Kinect because there is some small message in one part of the dashboard and no auto sign in.
That is just crap.

 

[btrboyev]

Camera auto sign in is awesome it spots me even with my friends around. I dont know why anyone would want to get rid of it.

Because you can have auto sign in without a camera to see you. Imagine that

 

[Rockondevil]

So what you're saying is it IS optional, you just don't like the notification it has? I'm sure something like this could be fixed in an update quite easily if enough people weren't happy about it.

Personally I love the new Kinect and how useful it is. Voice commands just make things a little bit easier, and for me they work probably 95% of the time, which I can handle.

I see absolutely no reason to unplug it even if I didn't use it and just wanted it for the auto-sign in.

Or are we still on about the "OMG the NSA is watching me fap"?

 

[SwiftDeath]

It doesn't even display when you're playing a game, literally just in the corner of the dashboard, only on the Home Screen.

There are people in this thread saying Microsoft lied about the Xbone being usable without Kinect because there is some small message in one part of the dashboard and no auto sign in.
That is just crap.

Oh well then that's nonsense. I just find the message to look annoying and would want to turn it off. The lack of auto-sign in without kinect is also annoying

Neither are deal breakers or anything

 

[mr teaspoon]

I get this...all good and well...I'd only include, then you don't have to buy it. It's OK, you don't need to have every single gaming rig, just get the PS4.

You either accept MS' vision or you don't, and it's OK if you don't.

Yes and no. Yes in that it's the NSA that people are ultimately concerned with, not Microsoft.

No in that Microsoft is a business. At the most basic level, their job is to create a product that makes people happy. As consumers, we have a voice. Perfect example being DRM - in that case the option wasn't 'accept Microsoft's vision or don't'. People rejected the vision and the unpopular features were removed. People have options beyond 'take it or leave it'.

 

[xn0]

Except Windows 98 was great.

I'm biased. Windows 98 marked when I started getting serious into computers and Win98 has some pretty horrible stability issues.

Great post! Thanks for the effort.

I think a couple of key points - MS want to redefine themselves as a "devices and services company". The new CEO will need to make some pretty hard hitting decisions on their future as in the current state, this is a mess.

As you've pointed out, they are losing ground on many of these projects and this is part of the reason share holders are pushing for the sale of the Xbox division.

On the OS side, Apple have gotten fairly aggressive recently by releasing their OS updates for free (along with a mocking attitude towards MS's price structure) as well as providing their office suite for free, albeit with a some features missing.

Furthermore, SteamOS is something of an enigma that should be much more worrying than has been publicly spoken of. Watching Gabe Newell in his economics speech and Linuxcon speech, as well as Linus Tovald's discussions on the topic, there is a clear path at making the first real push for Linux to be a dominant OS over the next decade. For SteamOS now, its all about games, but their goal is to always add value for consumers. If gaming takes its baby steps on Linux, the progression of providing value is to make Linux user friendly and a more important part of everyday computing as a primary OS.

But MS is salvageable, as long as the right CEO comes along. I think it will be great to see companies such as Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony and Valve/Linux clash in such a way. Not only are their businesses at risk, but the very philosophies of computing as well.

Edit: To me at least, the xbox one seems like the MS solution to living room computing, as a response to the possibilities of what Apple and Google may plan in the future. I guarantee you when the time comes, the xbox one will start to become Windows, with all the apps coming over (not that thats the worst thing in the world).

Thank you so much. I absolutely agree I really like Microsoft and I definitely didn't mean to come off as writing Microsoft off, I just think they are making some huge missteps recently and other companies are taking advantage of them.

Microsoft stock is at 5 year high. They have a marker cap of 322 billion compared to Sony's 18b. They doing something right up there in Redmond.

I agree, and it makes sense, Microsoft just successfully launched the XB1 to the market, and announced that Ballmer (who I understand direction and decisions were a huge issues for shareholders) will be retiring 3 months ago. The issues I listed are not a secret to investors or analysts and in some cases have been known for years. I am just saying that if they are not corrected will likely have long term negative side effects for Microsoft and given the volatility of software and more so computer stocks who knows if that will result in a negative impact for their stock. But I agree Microsoft is doing something right by identifying they have these issues and getting rid of Ballmer, but execution is key and with the saturated markets and large companies they've chosen to compete against it is going to be a difficult battle.

 

[REV 09]

It's actually one of the few things about the system that they got right.

 

[kitch9]

Kinect is a big reason I chose Xbox One. I just don't see the logic in buying the system and not using Kinect.

That being said I'd still like auto sign-in.

It wouldn't surprise me if there's a sweaty neckbeard in a locked room at MS who's fapping to the sight of you fapping.

 

[mrklaw]

you can plug an IR blaster into the back of the xbox one. If you do that and have the kinect disconnected, will that still switch on your TV etc?