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KOF XII 100% Hand-drawn

TheExodu5 said:
Therefore, there is no art in Uncharted? :(
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2D has special significance to fighting game fans. 2D fighters can have hit-boxes that are per-pixel accurate. They also tend to have a distinctive art style and speed. It's more about the hit-boxes and style that goes with 2D fighting games. It's not just that it's hand drawn
 
stotch said:
2D has special significance to fighting game fans. 2D fighters can have hit-boxes that are per-pixel accurate. They also tend to have a distinctive art style and speed. It's more about the hit-boxes and style that goes with 2D fighting games. It's not just that it's hand drawn
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Thank you! :D

First good reply. Helps, because I'm not a huge fan of fighting games (though I do enjoy the odd one).

Narag said:
Why the hell is Uncharted even brought up in this?
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Because I had to complicate the thread.
 
TheExodu5 said:
Thank you! :D

First good reply. Helps, because I'm not a huge fan of fighting games (though I do enjoy the odd one).



Because I had to complicate the thread.
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Ah, I see where you're coming from now. Soak in the glorydays of SNK sprite work and walk away a better person for it all.
 
Narag said:
Ah, I see where you're coming from now. Soak in the glorydays of SNK sprite work and walk away a better person for it all.
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I think I might just have to check this title out :D.

Oh wait...I guess SNK games are coming to Wii Virtual Console now, right? Hopefully KOF gets on there so I can check it out for cheap.
 
TheExodu5 said:
I think I might just have to check this title out :D.

Oh wait...I guess SNK games are coming to Wii Virtual Console now, right? Hopefully KOF gets on there so I can check it out for cheap.
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I think there's a KoF compilation coming down the line too.
 
SnakeXs said:
Let's try one more time:

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Awesome.
 
Augemitbutter said:
i think that part was meant as a joke. it doesnt look like an official continuation of the storyline.
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Well, it IS going to happen, eventually.

In the AOF/FF/MOTW storyline, Ryo was Mr. Karate for a number of years by the MOTW time frame. Buriki 1, which is also a part of this storyline, also had him as Mr. Karate.

But since KOF is in its own lil continuity, where people who should be like 10-20 years older than the FF casts are all in the same ballpark age-group, we probably won't stand to see Ryo realize his manifest destiny as being an uber Kyokugen god until some time down the road, yet.
 
This kind of bugs me:
The original character drawings were modeled into 3D. Those 3D models were then rendered back into 2D. That way the 2D characters could have a greater depth of motion. Since the 2D models were devoid of color and details, artists went through each character, background, image and painstakingly added colors and drew in details pixel-by-pixel on a tablet PC. In one day, one artist would be able to draw one frame and a half for whatever image he or she was working on.
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That's not exactly 100% hand drawn, is it? I mean, they took designs, and made 3D models of them, rendered them, and then drew in the details. That's like.. 80% hand drawn at most.

Not that it's any less awesome, it's just not "100% hand drawn" as it would be if a 3D model had no place in the process
 
webrunner said:
This kind of bugs me:


That's not exactly 100% hand drawn, is it? I mean, they took designs, and made 3D models of them, rendered them, and then drew in the details. That's like.. 80% hand drawn at most.

Not that it's any less awesome, it's just not "100% hand drawn" as it would be if a 3D model had no place in the process
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I'm as staunch a 2D defender as they come, but seriously, they're in HD. That's a shit ton of work.

My concern isn't with what % is hand drawn, it's how this is gonna affect the animation.
 
SnakeXs said:
I'm as staunch a 2D defender as they come, but seriously, they're in HD. That's a shit ton of work.

My concern isn't with what % is hand drawn, it's how this is gonna affect the animation.
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It will make it better. Simple as that. Especially since my guess is this is made with Korean animators who are top notch but get comparatively low wages.

Also, people, don't forget SFIII only looked THAT good in 3rd Strike. The 3rd version of SFIII. So be patient ;-)
 
FoxSpirit said:
It will make it better. Simple as that. Especially since my guess is this is made with Korean animators who are top notch but get comparatively low wages.

Also, people, don't forget SFIII only looked THAT good in 3rd Strike. The 3rd version of SFIII. So be patient ;-)
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We'll see. That said, KoF's in decent hands and I haven't been offended by any real decisions made for a while, and KoF hasn't had stellar animations ever, so I doubt it'll be a bad move. I'm just worried about any 3D modelling "artifacts", or strangeness. But, I'm sure with all this work they'll iron it out and know what they're doing.
 
So wait...did they do the 3D->2D modelling to fill in every single frame with animation? That's amazingly awesome if so. If I have a problem with 2D fighting games, it's the lack of animations...this would give us the best of both worlds!
 
FoxSpirit said:
It will make it better. Simple as that. Especially since my guess is this is made with Korean animators who are top notch but get comparatively low wages.

Also, people, don't forget SFIII only looked THAT good in 3rd Strike. The 3rd version of SFIII. So be patient ;-)
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There is the concern that if you go up in resolution but keep the same number of frames, it looks less smooth. But that's really nit-picking.
 
kurahadol said:
As was 2002.

The dream match's happen at the end of a storyline arc.

'98 happened after the Orochi arc, 2002 happened after the NESTS arc.
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Huh, i never knew that. That's pretty interesting. So continuing with the trend, XIII should be a dream match?
 
QCF Punch said:
Huh, i never knew that. That's pretty interesting. So continuing with the trend, XIII should be a dream match?
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Well, they kind of bucked the trend with Neo Wave (dream match, came out in between 2003 and XI).
 
If there's one thing I wish Capcom would emulate, is to have SOME sorta story structure for their games. SNK's isn't really straight and narrow, but it's better than all the random facts and events that constitute Street Fighter.
 
QCF Punch said:
Huh, i never knew that. That's pretty interesting. So continuing with the trend, XIII should be a dream match?
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Is XII the final chapter in the Orochi Resurrection arc? If so, that would make sense.
 
kurahadol said:
Is XII the final chapter in the Orochi Resurrection arc? If so, that would make sense.
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Only thing is, I thought I remember reading an article, in which SNK basically alluded to the notion that we may not see the status quo "3 storyline advances and a Dream Match" any longer, starting with 12. If that be the case, then this storyline revolving Ash Crimson, The Orochi Revival and Kensou & the whole Dragon Business involving Ron/Long may all be stretched out for a while longer over a number of games.

And besides, 98UM is going to be the penultimate KOF Dream Match game to end Dream Matches, at least for quite a number of years. That should allow SNK plenty of lee-way to pump out more sequels after XII, each time re-adding more fan faves that probably won't make the cut in XII itself.
 
TreIII said:
Well, it IS going to happen, eventually.

In the AOF/FF/MOTW storyline, Ryo was Mr. Karate for a number of years by the MOTW time frame. Buriki 1, which is also a part of this storyline, also had him as Mr. Karate.

But since KOF is in its own lil continuity, where people who should be like 10-20 years older than the FF casts are all in the same ballpark age-group, we probably won't stand to see Ryo realize his manifest destiny as being an uber Kyokugen god until some time down the road, yet.
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im not a fan of multiple universe storylines at all. i wish they get around telling one ark and stick with it. maybe we can reach motw one day. id like to see older versions of all the classic characters. that would be a real dream come true.
 
Actually, we should be at KoF'2008 now which pretty much IS Garou (if you go by the previous KoF timeline where Geese had actually died). Problem is, we stopped getting annual KoFs so it's pretty uncertain... I wouldn't be surprised if we were still in 2003 (last "canon" "date" for the series) and XI and XII are just later that year.

Not that it matters, since noone ages anymore since 1997 or so. Mai must be pushing 40 by now...
 
SiegfriedFM said:
Actually, we should be at KoF'2008 now which pretty much IS Garou (if you go by the previous KoF timeline where Geese had actually died). Problem is, we stopped getting annual KoFs so it's pretty uncertain... I wouldn't be surprised if we were still in 2003 (last "canon" "date" for the series) and XI and XII are just later that year.

Not that it matters, since noone ages anymore since 1997 or so. Mai must be pushing 40 by now...
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Don't forget KOF 2006 (KOF MI2 to some). Actually, that was the dirty work of SNK Playmore USA. Why is SNKP USA always messing stuff up?! D:

Kadey said:
Kyo has never been hotter. This is fighting game of the year (base on the fact it's finally not the same old sprites) no contest.
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Fuck Kyo, I just need to see sprites of this guy:

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Kyo has never been hotter. This is fighting game of the year (base on the fact it's finally not the same old sprites) no contest.
 
FoxSpirit said:
Also, people, don't forget SFIII only looked THAT good in 3rd Strike. The 3rd version of SFIII. So be patient ;-)
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Not really, some of the best looking bits of Street Fighter III were in the first two games (Ibuki's stage, Necro's stage, Elena's stage, Alex's NG and 2I stages), and the animation is identical for most characters. 3rd Strike is the overall better game with better balance and characters and probably also overall better looking, but it's not like there were vast improvements in it over the other two visually.

I never understood why Capcom didn't include some of the NG and 2I stages in 3S to avoid some of the doubling of backgrounds. Like Vampire Saviour 2 (or the 'compilation' Saturn version), for example.
 
Ah Ah, I remember my friend who introduced me to KOF launch that against me :
-LOOK OUT FOR THE GLASSES.
-Wut? Ouch!

I want to see what they have done to Iori!
 
they better fucking give Iori a new outfit, he hasn't changed his clothings since.... his first debut wtf where as kyo get different outfits through different arcs
 
Wow at the latest argument.

Its all done in Photoshop in the end anyways, who gives a shit what they do as long as it looks good?
 
SiegfriedFM said:
Actually, we should be at KoF'2008 now which pretty much IS Garou (if you go by the previous KoF timeline where Geese had actually died). Problem is, we stopped getting annual KoFs so it's pretty uncertain... I wouldn't be surprised if we were still in 2003 (last "canon" "date" for the series) and XI and XII are just later that year.

Not that it matters, since noone ages anymore since 1997 or so. Mai must be pushing 40 by now...
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MILF.


Also, Kadey, that is one of the best gifs i have ever seen in my entire life.
 
D.Lo said:
Not really, some of the best looking bits of Street Fighter III were in the first two games (Ibuki's stage, Necro's stage, Elena's stage, Alex's NG and 2I stages), and the animation is identical for most characters. 3rd Strike is the overall better game with better balance and characters and probably also overall better looking, but it's not like there were vast improvements in it over the other two visually.

I never understood why Capcom didn't include some of the NG and 2I stages in 3S to avoid some of the doubling of backgrounds. Like Vampire Saviour 2 (or the 'compilation' Saturn version), for example.
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I agree. The backgrounds got progressively worse as the III series/upgrades went on. Ibuki, Elena, Ryu/Ken, Gill, etc stages all had more scrolling/parallax, color and animation in the original III. The music and gameplay; however, did get better.
I don't think I can go back to playing the original III when TS is one of the pinnacles of Street Fighter (along with Super Turbo, HF and A3).
 
hteng said:
they better fucking give Iori a new outfit, he hasn't changed his clothings since.... his first debut wtf where as kyo get different outfits through different arcs
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They supposedly are.
 
hteng said:
they better fucking give Iori a new outfit, he hasn't changed his clothings since.... his first debut wtf where as kyo get different outfits through different arcs
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hehe, i cant complain about ioris outfit, but something new would be great after more than a decade.
 
Umm... when they are essentially painting over a computer model, can you really call that "hand drawn"?
 
DavidDayton said:
Umm... when they are essentially painting over a computer model, can you really call that "hand drawn"?
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They're painting over it WITH THEIR HANDS aren't they?!
 
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