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[-COOLIO-]

There is nothing more to say to somebody who does not believe in mental illness.

are you talking about me? because if so im astounded by the lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread.

 

[EatChildren]

i think this is why we wont reach an agreement here:

you feel that the mind of someone who's committed suicide cannot be understood by people who are not on the verge of suicide themselves.

i feel these people do not differ from us so much that they are unaware of the consequences of their actions.

I believe the former is true to some extent, and while the latter is true in understanding the consequences, its is foolish to believe they operate under the same morality and thought process that allows them to rationally deal with the situation.

Judging someone on the verge of suicide with the same mentality as your own essentially denies the existance of mental illness.

Your argument so far hinges on "I feel this way, so they should feel this way too, because I can". It ignores the possibility that they are, mentally, developed in a way different to you, and many others, and can have thought patterns and reasoning skills (or lack therof) that differ drastically to your own.

It also over simplifies the complexity of the human mind, and mental development.

 

[WanderingWind]

are you talking about me? because if so im astounded by the lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread.

Yes, and there is no misinterpreting this.

if they can comprehend the consequences, but cant use that to override their desire to free themselves from torment that in my definition of morality, that's wrong.

You are of the ilk that believe that recovering from mental illness is just a matter of "overriding" their desires to be ill. That is not how mental illness works. You can't recover from mental illness in that manner, any more than you can will away a broken bone. Do you understand?

 

[-COOLIO-]

Yes, and there is no misinterpreting this.



You are of the ilk that believe that recovering from mental illness is just a matter of "overriding" their desires to be ill. That is not how mental illness works. You can't recover from mental illness in that manner, any more than you can will away a broken bone. Do you understand?

yes there is. you misrepresented that huge

do you speed though stop sides?

recovering from mental illness takes meds and or counseling. ive said that in this thread. the overriding thing im talking about is about being a strong and good enough person to seek that help over not seeking it. mental illness as defined by my prof in first year psych at uoft was something like "abnormalities in brain function that impede one from living a normal healthy life". that does not mean that the mentally ill necessarily or even regularly lose their moral compass.

 

[Srsly]

yes there is. you misrepresented that huge

do you speed though stop sides?

recovering from mental illness takes meds and or counseling. ive said that in this thread. the overriding thing im talking about is about being a strong and good enough person to seek that help over not seeking it. mental illness as defined by my prof in first year psych at uoft was something like "abnormalities in brain function that impede one from living a normal healthy life". that does not mean that the mentally ill necessarily or even regularly lose their moral compass.

You should probably change your major as there are already enough dumb psych majors

 

[WanderingWind]

"abnormalities in brain function that impede one from living a normal healthy life". that does not mean that the mentally ill necessarily or even regularly lose their moral compass.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Read what you wrote aloud. Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I believe the former is true to some extent, and while the latter is true in understanding the consequences, its is foolish to believe they operate under the same morality and thought process that allows them to rationally deal with the situation.

Judging someone on the verge of suicide with the same mentality as your own essentially denies the existance of mental illness.

Your argument so far hinges on "I feel this way, so they should feel this way too, because I can". It ignores the possibility that they are, mentally, developed in a way different to you, and many others, and can have thought patterns and reasoning skills (or lack therof) that differ drastically to your own.

It also over simplifies the complexity of the human mind, and mental development.

i disagree. assuming they have the exact same mentality as you is foolish, but assuming that your mentality cannot be used to understand any mentally ill mind is also foolish. mental illness does not mean that their entire brain has been rearranged.

most of us have flirted with depression and suicide at one point or another, while it might not be anything close to a person who has committed suicide we can be begin to understand that kind of mental illness

 

[S1lent]

You should probably change your major as there are already enough dumb psych majors

Pretty sure he's an engineering major. He just thinks he is far more knowledgeable on subjects than he actually is.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Oh, for fuck's sake. Read what you wrote aloud. Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

[WanderingWind]

Pretty sure he's an engineering major. He just thinks he is far more knowledgeable on subjects than he actually is.

This would actually explain a lot. Not everything, of course, but quite a bit. The "I'm out of shit to spew, so here is an obnoxious, outdated meme to thrust it" thing, for instance, is still inexplicable.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Pretty sure he's an engineering major. He just thinks he is far more knowledgeable on subjects than he actually is.

trust me, this is everyone on this forum, yourself included. but that's why i like it.

 

[Fersis]

-COOLIO- didnt you learn anything from MGS4 ?! Liquid wanted to die!!!

 

[Sage00]

kill himself before his fathers death just makes it a lot worst.

murder is worst than suicide but if someone i really loved killed themselves without at least some kind of intimate explanation that justified it and a goodbye

i even said in the part you bolded that 'murder is worst than suicide'

YES SUICIDE BOMBING IS WORST THAN SUICIDE

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[EatChildren]

i disagree. assuming they have the exact same mentality as you is foolish, but assuming that your mentality cannot be used to understand any mentally ill mind is also foolish. mental illness does not mean that their entire brain has been rearranged.

None of these things I suggested. What I suggested was the requirements for someone to be in a mental situation that suggests and encourages suicide as a viable option, by default, makes them mentally ill on the grounds that their thought patterns are abnormal.

By being abnormal, their thought patterns differ from those who are healthy. Its not that their 'entire brain has been rearranged', but some of it has, or at least operates in an abnormal way.

Your argument still hinges on "This is how I think, which is how they think". You're still putting your healthy mentality in the shoes of someone who is operating differently. It doesnt matter if the difference is minimal or severe, the difference exists regardless. The fact that there is a difference, that there is something abnormal, that there is an operation in the mind that works differently to your own, defines it as something that is not bound by the same thought rules as the norm.

Whether it be rationality, morality, or any other complex thought pattern the human mind is capable of, it is extremely unfair to suggest or imply that someone in an abnormal state of mind is capable of comprehending and perceiving all of these things the same way as you.

 

[.la1n]

yeeeeah can't stick up for this guy anymore, seems he took a turn for the worse. In other news: what in gods name was that cord made out of.

 

[Fantasmo]

We've all been down or depressed I'm sure. Life just is that way.

However the human desire to live is natural, for as long as possible. Imagine what kind of suffering and pain a human must be enduring to lose that basic desire. What would it take for a person to lose that and never want to see another day again? How much agony would it take to not see a silver lining? What would it take to not be able to see a way out?

Few give up instantly. But if they do it's due to extreme trauma. More realistically, there are things certain people cannot handle, cope with, or understand how to fix. They have tried so long and hard but they just don't have an ounce of strength anymore. They are emotionally and spiritually crushed. It's so bad that they have no fight left.

In my mind, at that point, it's no longer selfish. I do not condone it, it's ugly, and it destroys loved ones lives. But I do understand it. They need help but can't find a way out. Really, really think about it.

However I disagree with the rest of you also. I am extremely happy that people like COOLIO exist. I believe it is very good that he is in here saying this. He is the one who says it's not okay. He is the one saying to fight harder. He is the one saying there is a way out, if only you'd see it. He is right. And not all the time, but sometimes it takes people like him to keep the weak on the right path.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Its Meta.

 

[BocoDragon]

Not surprising. Lotta pent-up urges in that society. Seoul is an incredibly superficial city, and unless you're already rich there really isn't much to aspire to besides getting surgery and becoming some kind of celeb, unless living the life of a company man/housewife is your personal dream.

@Boco I hear ya. For girls especially, everything in that culture is geared toward getting them a successful husband, as though that's the absolute pinnacle of achievement. There's no such thing as female empowerment there.

One of my best friends is a Korean girl for whom this expectation absolutely makes her miserable. She wants to jump directly from single to fully married with a rich man, and it's just such an unrealistic desire that it destroys the relationships she does have..

Oh he's not completely rich? Not an option. Oh he's unwilling to marry you and buy a house for you, after one month of dating? Not an option. And she expects this male dominated marrage to basically fix everything wrong with her life.... She's been raised to believe it's her reason to live... And of course happiness while single is out of the question..

People's tight expectations really ruin the possibility of a good life

 

[Tristam]

Not surprising. Lotta pent-up urges in that society. Seoul is an incredibly superficial city, and unless you're already rich there really isn't much to aspire to besides getting surgery and becoming some kind of celeb, unless living the life of a company man/housewife is your personal dream.

@Boco I hear ya. For girls especially, everything in that culture is geared toward getting them a successful husband, as though that's the absolute pinnacle of achievement. There's no such thing as female empowerment there.

This times one million. The problem is compounded by the disregard for genuine emotional distress. One of the most popular loanwords from English here is "stress." I asked my Korean friend what word Koreans used to describe psychological pressure in the past and he struggled to think of anything.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Welcome to Korea's very own cultural form of suffering, "Han."

 

[kruskev]

i disagree. assuming they have the exact same mentality as you is foolish, but assuming that your mentality cannot be used to understand any mentally ill mind is also foolish. mental illness does not mean that their entire brain has been rearranged.

most of us have flirted with depression and suicide at one point or another, while it might not be anything close to a person who has committed suicide we can be begin to understand that kind of mental illness

You are annoying and retarded. I would like to stomp on your weird bug eyed face for spewing so much retarded bullshit.

 

[fuzzyreactor]

i am pretty certain i will commit suicide in my life. I see nothing worng with it. One of my only true liberities in life is to make this choice. When the pain has overcome your will to live and you see no other way but death i respect that. Much better than the coward who cries about life and wanting to die but doesnt have the balls to do it. I know i will leave loved ones behind but why should i endure such pain just so you can have me around. that is more selfish than suicide itself.

 

[Tristam]

Welcome to Korea's very own cultural form of suffering, "Han."

Yeah, this sounds like one of those things, like "jeong," that some Koreans say is an exclusively Korean emotion.

 

[Noshino]

We've all been down or depressed I'm sure. Life just is that way.

However the human desire to live is natural, for as long as possible. Imagine what kind of suffering and pain a human must be enduring to lose that basic desire. What would it take for a person to lose that and never want to see another day again? How much agony would it take to not see a silver lining? What would it take to not be able to see a way out?

Few give up instantly. But if they do it's due to extreme trauma. More realistically, there are things certain people cannot handle, cope with, or understand how to fix. They have tried so long and hard but they just don't have an ounce of strength anymore. They are emotionally and spiritually crushed. It's so bad that they have no fight left.

In my mind, at that point, it's no longer selfish. I do not condone it, it's ugly, and it destroys loved ones lives. But I do understand it. They need help but can't find a way out. Really, really think about it.

However I disagree with the rest of you also. I am extremely happy that people like COOLIO exist. I believe it is very good that he is in here saying this. He is the one who says it's not okay. He is the one saying to fight harder. He is the one saying there is a way out, if only you'd see it. He is right. And not all the time, but sometimes it takes people like him to keep the weak on the right path.

No one is telling them to not fight, no one is saying that suicide is the better option or even ok, I believe most, if not all, here would agree on that.

What COOLIO is saying is that suicidal victims are "wrong" and selfish because they would rather take their own lifes and cause pain on others than fight.

The problem is that time after time he fails to understand the fact that these are people that DO seek help, suicidal victims usually reach out to others for help in their way. Not only that, but also they do recognize the pain that it (suicide) would cause to others. Unfortunately, the fact that they are going through mental imbalances also means that most of the times they see their current status as something almost impossible to overcome, specially when others do not get to recognize that they have problems.

Also, here assuming suicidal people only have depression, but there are many other factors that could contribute to pushing people to have suicidal thoughts (and/or act upon them), I was talking to the psych teacher and she was telling me about "learned helplessness" and how it can also affect the behavior of people.


Anyway, back to studying :C

 

[Xeke]

Eh, live and let live or live and let die.

I don't think our lives are significant enough to care whether or not somebody wants to kill themselves. We really put ourselves on a pedestal.

 

[ColonelColon]

we cant know what the father son relationship was, but assuming his father cared for him, which is a safe assumption of most fathers, it's still a dick move to kill yourself when you could wait a while longer and spare the poor man additional grievance. even if he reached his breaking point.

...the fuck?
edit: Not everyone shares the same life, the same father, or the same beliefs. It's irrational to disregard people who differ from yourself to justify your morals. Even if you assume that the majority of fathers "care" for their children, you're likely excluding a massive amount of people who would contradict that statement. What about people whose fathers have died or otherwise aren't present in their lives? Do these people just cease to exist in your mind because they conflict with your ideals? Why should we paint this actor's father as an emotional victim of the actor's suicide when we know virtually nothing about their relationship?

 

[EatChildren]

Eh, live and let live or live and let die.

I don't think our lives are significant enough to care whether or not somebody wants to kill themselves. We really put ourselves on a pedestal.

What kind of post is this? With that attitude you might as well collapse the entire field of medical science and industry. After all, why bother trying to heal anybody? If you're sick, you're sick.

 

[Noshino]

What kind of post is this? With that attitude you might as well collapse the entire field of medical science and industry. After all, why bother trying to heal anybody? If you're sick, you're sick.

He is probably high right now...

 

[grumble]

I believe that people should have the freedom to live their lives as they will, including ending it if that is their choice. That being said, most people who kill themselves are just in a bad place and need some help, and them killing themselves is sad and wrong.

 

[sonikokaruto]

I kinda want to watch this now to see what the hells the big deal about Yonsama.

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[-COOLIO-]

No one is telling them to not fight, no one is saying that suicide is the better option or even ok, I believe most, if not all, here would agree on that.

What COOLIO is saying is that suicidal victims are "wrong" and selfish because they would rather take their own lifes and cause pain on others than fight.

The problem is that time after time he fails to understand the fact that these are people that DO seek help, suicidal victims usually reach out to others for help in their way. Not only that, but also they do recognize the pain that it (suicide) would cause to others. Unfortunately, the fact that they are going through mental imbalances also means that most of the times they see their current status as something almost impossible to overcome, specially when others do not get to recognize that they have problems.

Also, here assuming suicidal people only have depression, but there are many other factors that could contribute to pushing people to have suicidal thoughts (and/or act upon them), I was talking to the psych teacher and she was telling me about "learned helplessness" and how it can also affect the behavior of people.


Anyway, back to studying :C

addressing the bolds in order:

i've said a few times in this thread that suicide victims that fight strongly to overcome their depression can kill themselves without my ridicule.

depression is usually an overwhelming sensation, but even if they doubt their ability to get through it, they're not getting a pass on suicide with me until they do everything they can to overcome it.

no i'm not. im pretty sure ive said in this thread that suicide can come from depression or incredibly tough external factors. in can also happen for life insurance and bargaining but that's probably the rarest kind. suicide to avoid intense external suffering and for bargaining both generally get a pass with me.

 

[-COOLIO-]

...the fuck?
edit: Not everyone shares the same life, the same father, or the same beliefs. It's irrational to disregard people who differ from yourself to justify your morals. Even if you assume that the majority of fathers "care" for their children, you're likely excluding a massive amount of people who would contradict that statement. What about people whose fathers have died or otherwise aren't present in their lives? Do these people just cease to exist in your mind because they conflict with your ideals? Why should we paint this actor's father as an emotional victim of the actor's suicide when we know virtually nothing about their relationship?

i believe most fathers care for their kids. i feel that's a safe bet. it's pretty instinctual.

 

[-COOLIO-]

However I disagree with the rest of you also. I am extremely happy that people like COOLIO exist. I believe it is very good that he is in here saying this. He is the one who says it's not okay. He is the one saying to fight harder. He is the one saying there is a way out, if only you'd see it. He is right. And not all the time, but sometimes it takes people like him to keep the weak on the right path.

Thanks bro.

i am pretty certain i will commit suicide in my life. I see nothing worng with it. One of my only true liberities in life is to make this choice. When the pain has overcome your will to live and you see no other way but death i respect that. Much better than the coward who cries about life and wanting to die but doesnt have the balls to do it. I know i will leave loved ones behind but why should i endure such pain just so you can have me around. that is more selfish than suicide itself.

just be sure that that pain is unconquerable and far worse than the pain felt by your parents who raised you for your entire life only to see that effort not only lead no where, but go unappreciated.

and also leave some sort of detailed explanation that this was the case at the very least.

 

[Noshino]

addressing the bolds in order:

i've said a few times in this thread that suicide victims that fight strongly to overcome their depression can kill themselves without my ridicule.

depression is usually an overwhelming sensation, but even if they doubt their ability to get through it, they're not getting a pass on suicide with me until they do everything they can to overcome it.

But, what is "everything", how do you define "fighting strongly"?... once again, you are seeing things from a healthy state of mind, they don't. What you might feel isn't enough, might be "everything" for them.

Many of them don't just doubt their ability to overcome things from the start, many fight, its human nature, the problem rises from the fact that they don't approach things the same way a regular person would. Like mentioned before, if I need help, I would talk to friends or seek professional help myself, but for many of them, subtle signs are "everything"

That's not to say that some people don't approach their problems in more successful ways, but that's not always the case. Many times it is someone else that gets them help before they can help themselves.

 

[Yamauchi]

We've all been down or depressed I'm sure. Life just is that way.

However the human desire to live is natural, for as long as possible. Imagine what kind of suffering and pain a human must be enduring to lose that basic desire. What would it take for a person to lose that and never want to see another day again? How much agony would it take to not see a silver lining? What would it take to not be able to see a way out?

Few give up instantly. But if they do it's due to extreme trauma. More realistically, there are things certain people cannot handle, cope with, or understand how to fix. They have tried so long and hard but they just don't have an ounce of strength anymore. They are emotionally and spiritually crushed. It's so bad that they have no fight left.

In my mind, at that point, it's no longer selfish. I do not condone it, it's ugly, and it destroys loved ones lives. But I do understand it. They need help but can't find a way out. Really, really think about it.

However I disagree with the rest of you also. I am extremely happy that people like COOLIO exist. I believe it is very good that he is in here saying this. He is the one who says it's not okay. He is the one saying to fight harder. He is the one saying there is a way out, if only you'd see it. He is right. And not all the time, but sometimes it takes people like him to keep the weak on the right path.

This post has a lot of truth in it.

My brother committed suicide at the age of 29, which was about a year ago. He was in a car crash at the age of 17 that caused some permanent physical problems (his voice box and trachea were crushed, broke about 20 bones, etc.). He also went 10 minutes without oxygen because of his neck injury and possibly due to that suffered some brain damage, though the doctors could never find evidence of it.

Anyway, after the crash he struggled both with his physical and mental problems. At first doctors said it was just post-traumatic stress disorder and gave him numerous medications and he attended counseling sessions. But none of that seemed to work. As time went on his mind became less and less stable. Eventually about 9 months before he died they carried out numerous tests again, and this time they said he had schizophrenia. They put him on some powerful medication that made him a bit like a zombie. He couldn't really think or function and slept about 18 hours a day.

All the while he continued to battle physical problems. He suffered from very serious rheumatoid arthritis that made him immobile for weeks at a time. He could hardly speak. He had dangerously high blood pressure and a rapid heart rate that worried doctors. He had accumulated $30-40,000 in medical bills that he couldn't repay because he couldn't really work.

Despite all of that, though, I think it was the mental illness that made him do it in the end. He stopped taking his medication because he couldn't function at all while he was on it. He would be sitting on the couch and one or two hours would pass without him noticing it. Without the medication, though, he had no control over his mind; he had hallucinations and severe paranoid delusions.

So in the end he went out to the lake and put a bullet in his brain. Before he did it, I always thought suicide was selfish. After seeing what he went through, though, and seeing the decision he made, I haven't ever thought what my brother did was selfish or pathetic. He just wanted to escape. And he did.

 

[-COOLIO-]

None of these things I suggested. What I suggested was the requirements for someone to be in a mental situation that suggests and encourages suicide as a viable option, by default, makes them mentally ill on the grounds that their thought patterns are abnormal.

By being abnormal, their thought patterns differ from those who are healthy. Its not that their 'entire brain has been rearranged', but some of it has, or at least operates in an abnormal way.

Your argument still hinges on "This is how I think, which is how they think". You're still putting your healthy mentality in the shoes of someone who is operating differently. It doesnt matter if the difference is minimal or severe the difference exists regardless., The fact that there is a difference, that there is something abnormal, that there is an operation in the mind that works differently to your own, defines it as something that is not bound by the same thought rules as the norm.

Whether it be rationality, morality, or any other complex thought pattern the human mind is capable of, it is extremely unfair to suggest or imply that someone in an abnormal state of mind is capable of comprehending and perceiving all of these things the same way as you.

addressing the bolds in order:

right now, im not of the belief that most suicidal people consider suicide to be there only option. if this were the case, id expect everyone who failed at suicide to continue until they died.

you're really twisting my words a lot. me saying that because almost everyone has flirted with depression and thoughts of suicide they can began to understand the suicidal mind, is far cry from "This is how I think, which is how they think". If everyone thought like me, there wouldn't be suicide period.

i feel it does. minor depression is much more relateble to a non-depressive than severe depression.

also, saying that the difference exists regardless kind of implies to me that you believe that no one can relate to anyone else because of our differences in perspective. i think that i could relate more closely to a carbon copy of myself with minor depression instilled in him, than a perfectly happy woman growing up in tibet. do you disagree? or is all severity of depression completely incomprehensible to a healthy mind?

once again, i havnt been assuming that the depressed mind comprehends and perceives all things the same as me, but i will continue to assume that in most cases, even to the point where the mind is filled with suicidal thoughts, that that mind still has a functioning moral compass and is aware of the consequences of suicide.

if youre going to reply to this, please don't twist my words because it gives me more work.

 

[-COOLIO-]

But, what is "everything", how do you define "fighting strongly"?... once again, you are seeing things from a healthy state of mind, they don't. What you might feel isn't enough, might be "everything" for them.

Many of them don't just doubt their ability to overcome things from the start, many fight, its human nature, the problem rises from the fact that they don't approach things the same way a regular person would. Like mentioned before, if I need help, I would talk to friends or seek professional help myself, but for many of them, subtle signs are "everything"

That's not to say that some people don't approach their problems in more successful ways, but that's not always the case. Many times it is someone else that gets them help before they can help themselves.

y'know when someone says "try your best"? they probably don't mean it literally, but you understand right? that's what im asking of suicide victims.

as for the whole perspective of the suicidal mind thing, i think ive addressed my stance on that in other posts enough.

 

[S1lent]

If everyone thought like me, there wouldn't be suicide period.

Wow, what a dickish thing to say, especially after the post above yours...

 

[-COOLIO-]

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'worse', my bad

my punctuation sucks too, if i were you,id sift through my responses and fix that too

yeeeeah can't stick up for this guy anymore, seems he took a turn for the worse. In other news: what in gods name was that cord made out of.

whether i like them or not, im only here for the posters that say something interesting. there might be a couple posters i like, but i really dont't feel the need for fan following on here. it's not like you guys are buying my album

You are annoying and retarded. I would like to stomp on your weird bug eyed face for spewing so much retarded bullshit.

im just sayin but i have pretty nice looking face

 

[-COOLIO-]

Wow, what a dickish thing to say, especially after the post above yours...

if my mind, as is, was transplanted to everyone around the world. there would never be a suicide that pertained to only depression. i stand by that.

 

[S1lent]

if my mind, as is, was transplanted to everyone around the world. there would never be a suicide that pertained to depression. i stand by that.

Saying that while in your current mental state means literally nothing.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Saying that while in your current mental state means literally nothing.

y'know what, i see what you're saying. i won't know until im servely depressed. let me rephrase:

a coolio would not suicide due to a sense of depression alone. it would take severe external factors that caused him unbearable suffering.

This post has a lot of truth in it.

My brother committed suicide at the age of 29, which was about a year ago. He was in a car crash at the age of 17 that caused some permanent physical problems (his voice box and trachea were crushed, broke about 20 bones, etc.). He also went 10 minutes without oxygen because of his neck injury and possibly due to that suffered some brain damage, though the doctors could never find evidence of it.

Anyway, after the crash he struggled both with his physical and mental problems. At first doctors said it was just post-traumatic stress disorder and gave him numerous medications and he attended counseling sessions. But none of that seemed to work. As time went on his mind became less and less stable. Eventually about 9 months before he died they carried out numerous tests again, and this time they said he had schizophrenia. They put him on some powerful medication that made him a bit like a zombie. He couldn't really think or function and slept about 18 hours a day.

All the while he continued to battle physical problems. He suffered from very serious rheumatoid arthritis that made him immobile for weeks at a time. He could hardly speak. He had dangerously high blood pressure and a rapid heart rate that worried doctors. He had accumulated $30-40,000 in medical bills that he couldn't repay because he couldn't really work.

Despite all of that, though, I think it was the mental illness that made him do it in the end. He stopped taking his medication because he couldn't function at all while he was on it. He would be sitting on the couch and one or two hours would pass without him noticing it. Without the medication, though, he had no control over his mind; he had hallucinations and severe paranoid delusions.

So in the end he went out to the lake and put a bullet in his brain. Before he did it, I always thought suicide was selfish. After seeing what he went through, though, and seeing the decision he made, I haven't ever thought what my brother did was selfish or pathetic. He just wanted to escape. And he did.

something like this for example. i could not fault this man for killing himself.

 

[Noshino]

y'know when someone says "try your best"? they probably don't mean it literally, but you understand right? that's what im asking of suicide victims.

as for the whole perspective of the suicidal mind thing, i think ive addressed my stance on that in other posts enough.

Once again, you are asking suicidal people for something that even regular people have problems with! :lol

What is your major again?

if my mind, as is, was transplanted to everyone around the world. there would never be a suicide that pertained to depression. i stand by that.

Strong minded people also get depressed, don't flatter yourself

 

[-COOLIO-]

Once again, you are asking suicidal people for something that even regular people have problems with! :lol

i'd like to think that if most people were going to do something appalling, they'd try their best not too. if they didn't id say they were bad people.

strong minded people also get depressed, don't flatter yourself

i'll get despressed, of course, but that alone will never make me kill myself.

and only one of us can know the validity of this statement.

 

[-COOLIO-]

btw one more thing to clarify. when i say external factors, im talking about things like handicaps, severe inescapable abuse, physical pain. these things may lead to depression, but they're elements of inescapable torment. to suicide a coolio, you would need something like that. and a shitload of it.

 

[Negaiido]

I know this is an old thread but I just found this topic. Park Yong Ha aka Yoha is a talented and younger singer/actor. He's got many albums out plus done many concerts. A half year ago he decided to end his life for no known reasons other then his father. I just want to say that everyone in this topic thats typing anything stupid about this issue should be ashamed of themselves. Let this guy rest in peace without anyone of you blaming him for anything. Espcially you - Coolio - should be ashamed of yourself, I hope you don't get depressed and kill yourself. Discuss about his career rather then doing this.

Anyone that doesn't know Park Yong ha should just youtube him and find out how talented he is.

Now I have said what I wanted to say and I'll end with:

R.I.P.


Ps: sorry for bumping this old thread. If I get a ban for it, at least it was worth it.

 

[hbkajshdvfbkjhvgkahsgdfka]

I know this is an old thread but I just found this topic. Park Yong Ha aka Yoha is a talented and younger singer/actor. He's got many albums out plus done many concerts. A half year ago he decided to end his life for no known reasons other then his father. I just want to say that everyone in this topic thats typing anything stupid about this issue should be ashamed of themselves. Let this guy rest in peace without anyone of you blaming him for anything. Espcially you - Coolio - should be ashamed of yourself, I hope you don't get depressed and kill yourself. Discuss about his career rather then doing this.

Anyone that doesn't know Park Yong ha should just youtube him and find out how talented he is.

Now I have said what I wanted to say and I'll end with:

R.I.P.


Ps: sorry for bumping this old thread. If I get a ban for it, at least it was worth it.

Real talk.

 

[meppi]

Ps: sorry for bumping this old thread.

Good thing you pointed out the bump as I was about to go off on the bullshit he was spewing. :-/

Who the fuck made him the king of this subject anyway.

And just like you mentioned yourself, I too am disgusted that he'd shit up this topic and make it all about him and his moronic "I'm right and everyone else must be sick in they're heads" attitude instead of actually talking about the person who passed away.

There has been some disgusting stuff on GAF in the past and this is way up there.